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    doesnt hurt, folks see a white face, we dont blink an eye.

    see a brown face , they are either a border jumper or a terrorist.
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    Merkin Baller said:
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    It exists, but on a minimal scale. Hailfax posted a link above.... it's few and far between. 

    The boogey man of voter fraud however has been a conservative talking point for decades now.... and it's complete bullshit. 

    https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/analysis/Briefing_Memo_Debunking_Voter_Fraud_Myth.pdf

    "Sensationalist claims have circulated this election season about the extent of voter fraud, with some politicians going so far as to tell voters to fear that this November’s election will be “rigged.” Because electoral integrity is one of the elements necessary to making America the greatest democracy in the world, claims like this garner media attention, and frighten and concern voters. But putting rhetoric aside to look at the facts makes clear that fraud by voters at the polls is vanishingly rare, and does not happen on a scale even close to that necessary to “rig” an election."
    I try to figure out how it's possible.  If voter cards are manufactured, sure.  I see that.  If u are checked when coming in then I don't see that.

    Even in 2000 when Bush/Gore went on it was the Dems that thought voter fraud was a thing.


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    Merkin Baller said:
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    55 to 60% is a majority, but certainly not overwhelming...  What are the democratic policies that Latinos align with? I'm not nit-picking, I'm genuinely curious. From what I read, the majority of the Latino population is against the idea of an open border (as are most people, not to mention it's another conservative myth - our borders aren't open). So based on that, they might be inclined to vote republican if they believe the rhetoric. 

    Immigration is a lynchpin of the GOP platform and has a long history in our country; conservative fear mongering about immigrants coming to take our jobs goes back to the reconstruction era... to suggest it's a 'both sides' issue just doesn't track from what I can see, but I'm open to being corrected. 
    So.  If you don't think that thousands of people coming in every day is not a problem then we don't have anything else to discuss really.

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    tempo_n_groove said:
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    I try to figure out how it's possible.  If voter cards are manufactured, sure.  I see that.  If u are checked when coming in then I don't see that.

    Even in 2000 when Bush/Gore went on it was the Dems that thought voter fraud was a thing.


    I would be interested to see the data about the manufactured cards and when / where they were used and helped swing an election. Everything I'm finding out about widespread voter fraud is that it's a myth. 

    Regarding 2000, sure, there were some democrats that questioned those results and suggested voter fraud. Comparing that to a pattern of GOP behavior that dates as far back as the Heritage Foundation in the 1960s is apples / oranges though. 

    tempo_n_groove said:
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    So.  If you don't think that thousands of people coming in every day is not a problem then we don't have anything else to discuss really.

    Nowhere did I say that. I'm all for getting people on the books and documented and making immigration safer and easier. We need immigration reform. 

    Speaking of... Do you think the house will accept Biden's offer to negotiate border measures to get Ukraine funding pushed through when they return? 
  • Posts: 12,818
    mickeyrat said:
    doesnt hurt, folks see a white face, we dont blink an eye.

    see a brown face , they are either a border jumper or a terrorist.
    Spot on. 
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    tempo_n_groove said:
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    I try to figure out how it's possible.  If voter cards are manufactured, sure.  I see that.  If u are checked when coming in then I don't see that.

    Even in 2000 when Bush/Gore went on it was the Dems that thought voter fraud was a thing.


    Nice revisionist history unless you mean “voter fraud” to be the counting of ballots and hanging chads and whether they should count, or not? Or how the “butterfly” ballot was laid out or how the candidate names appeared on ballots from voting district to district in certain battleground and key states?

    What were the dems’s “thoughts on voter fraud as a thing” during Shrub/Gore?
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
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    Nice revisionist history unless you mean “voter fraud” to be the counting of ballots and hanging chads and whether they should count, or not? Or how the “butterfly” ballot was laid out or how the candidate names appeared on ballots from voting district to district in certain battleground and key states?

    What were the dems’s “thoughts on voter fraud as a thing” during Shrub/Gore?
    Umm ok.  Sorry you didn't like my comment.
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    tempo_n_groove said:
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    Thank you for clarifying. 

    Edit: So they don't check your ID though like I said.  I'm trying to see how, if possible, voter fraud can be achieved.  It baffles me.
    They have before in other elections I’ve had to show my license to prove my identity! I can’t remember if they did last presidential election 
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    tempo_n_groove said:
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    Umm ok.  Sorry you didn't like my comment.
    Not that I didn’t like it, just noting it wasn’t “dems thinking ‘voter fraud’ was a thing.” Nice try at both sidesing though.
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    Merkin Baller said:
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    I would be interested to see the data about the manufactured cards and when / where they were used and helped swing an election. Everything I'm finding out about widespread voter fraud is that it's a myth. 

    Regarding 2000, sure, there were some democrats that questioned those results and suggested voter fraud. Comparing that to a pattern of GOP behavior that dates as far back as the Heritage Foundation in the 1960s is apples / oranges though. 

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    Nowhere did I say that. I'm all for getting people on the books and documented and making immigration safer and easier. We need immigration reform. 

    Speaking of... Do you think the house will accept Biden's offer to negotiate border measures to get Ukraine funding pushed through when they return? 
    Nowhere did I say that. I'm all for getting people on the books and documented and making immigration safer and easier. We need immigration reform. 

    Sorry, that's what I got from that.  I spoke for you and my apologies for that.

    No, they won't.  I believe the two sides are too far apart.  A secondary measure will be passed just to get things moving.  Just my guess.
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    tempo_n_groove said:
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    Nowhere did I say that. I'm all for getting people on the books and documented and making immigration safer and easier. We need immigration reform. 

    Sorry, that's what I got from that.  I spoke for you and my apologies for that.

    No, they won't.  I believe the two sides are too far apart.  A secondary measure will be passed just to get things moving.  Just my guess.
    "Sorry, that's what I got from that.  I spoke for you and my apologies for that"
     - No worries. 

    Re: the two sides being too far apart... you could be right, but if that were the case why tie it in w/ Ukraine funding? Comes off as more bad faith GOP fuckery there. 

    & let's face it, if the GOP actually DOES want to solve the border crisis (I contend they do not), they sure as shit aren't going to work w/ a democrat admin on it. The "Biden Border Crisis" is too big a selling point for this election year. 
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    edited December 2023
    Awful lot of jobs going unfilled.

    https://www.bls.gov/news.release/jolts.t01.htm#jolts_table1.f.1

    With unemployment below 5% and well below that in most places.
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Awful lot of jobs going unfilled.

    https://www.bls.gov/news.release/jolts.t01.htm#jolts_table1.f.1

    With unemployment below 5% and well below that in most places.
    Just by whats going on here in NYC i would expect these numbers to balloon quite a bit next month since they haven't already.
    or
    Somebody is working the books.  I believe that happens all the time.

    I see it below 4%.  That is really amazing considering the soft landing through inflation so far and interest rates as high as they are.
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    Merkin Baller said:
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    "Sorry, that's what I got from that.  I spoke for you and my apologies for that"
     - No worries. 

    Re: the two sides being too far apart... you could be right, but if that were the case why tie it in w/ Ukraine funding? Comes off as more bad faith GOP fuckery there. 

    & let's face it, if the GOP actually DOES want to solve the border crisis (I contend they do not), they sure as shit aren't going to work w/ a democrat admin on it. The "Biden Border Crisis" is too big a selling point for this election year. 
    They (R) should want to fix it and get people in through the system.  Great selling point for voting.

    We need those interest rates lowered so we can have big projects booming again.  
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    tempo_n_groove said:
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    They (R) should want to fix it and get people in through the system.  Great selling point for voting.

    We need those interest rates lowered so we can have big projects booming again.  
    Agreed… it would be a pretty tough pivot from “they’re poisoning the blood of the country” though. 
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    tempo_n_groove said:
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    Just by whats going on here in NYC i would expect these numbers to balloon quite a bit next month since they haven't already.
    or
    Somebody is working the books.  I believe that happens all the time.

    I see it below 4%.  That is really amazing considering the soft landing through inflation so far and interest rates as high as they are.
    “Somebody is working the books?” Which books? And who is “working” them? BLS? If so, to what end?

    Which numbers do you expect to balloon? The BLS vacancy numbers or the unemployment rate? And in which direction? Up or down?


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    From WaPo:

    Advocates for immigrants have said past policies that forced migrants into dangerous cities in Mexico were inhumane and have urged Congress to update immigration laws to help address the issue. Business leaders and nonprofits have pointed out that the United States is in desperate need of workers, with an estimated 10 million unfilled jobs.

    Who controls Congress? Who refuses to negotiate? Yup, both sides. Because you know, there is no better reason to leave your country of birth with kids in tow, travel thousands of miles and risk your life to make it to another country so you cast a fraudulent ballot in an election you probably don’t really care about unless it’s for dem candidates who will open the border wide and let just anyone in so you can be reunited with your extended family and collect all those free benefits.
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    Some people on twitter are using this picture claiming this caravan is headed this way. 



    Spoiler: it’s from 2018. 


    We’re going to see a f-ton of this in 2024.
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    Merkin Baller said:
    Some people on twitter are using this picture claiming this caravan is headed this way. 



    Spoiler: it’s from 2018. 


    We’re going to see a f-ton of this in 2024.
    That must have been a really long walk. 
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