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  • Posts: 30,879
    Fucking genius. All of you. 
  • Posts: 585
    mrussel1 said:
    Let's recap. You said we should have worked on treatment before vaccine (since apparently the nation's drug researchers can only do one thing at a time), I gave you a prime example where treatment came first.  Now your bar is that they should have had "at home" treatments before vaccines.  To boot, there was another treatment that was released as well, Regeneren, for severe cases.  There may even have been more, but I'm not going to keep arguing with someone who invents numbers and moves the bar, in order to make some argument that doesn't make any sense.  

    1. You said imagine there was a 1% death rate for vaccines.  You literally made up that number.  The real number of adverse reaction (not death) is basis points of your imaginary number. 
    2. You used their financial disclosure statements as "evidence" which is silliness
    3. You said we should have worked on treatment first.  We did.
    4. You said, well that wasn't approved for home use.  That's called moving the goal posts. 

    Remember when I asked you if your arguments were a joke?  I didn't mean like "haha, that's funny".  
    I've already addressed 1 and 2 but your rebuttals in 3 and 4 are weak at best.  If you don't see the correlation between suppression of treatment and getting vaccines in arms than that's on you. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. I'm here to have discussions.  I'm open to opposing views and learning as I go. You used remdesivir as an example. I looked into it and showed you how that treatment was suppressed. Home use?  Really? You go to the doctor, get a prescription,  take it and hopefully you get better. Again, I'll emphasize this for people in the back. If remdesivir was readily available with a prescription in July of 2020 you would have had fewer people getting vaccinated. 

    Things were different then
  • Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    mrussel1 said:
    That's a great story.  Along the same line,  I keep an extra pair of socks in my golf bag in case I have an emergency #2 pooping situation.  I can use my sock and have a backup to wear.  

    But again,  this is where the Big Sock lobbyists try to infiltrate all parts of your life


    A wise decision!  :rofl:
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  • Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Evel K said:
    I've already addressed 1 and 2 but your rebuttals in 3 and 4 are weak at best.  If you don't see the correlation between suppression of treatment and getting vaccines in arms than that's on you. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. I'm here to have discussions.  I'm open to opposing views and learning as I go. You used remdesivir as an example. I looked into it and showed you how that treatment was suppressed. Home use?  Really? You go to the doctor, get a prescription,  take it and hopefully you get better. Again, I'll emphasize this for people in the back. If remdesivir was readily available with a prescription in July of 2020 you would have had fewer people getting vaccinated. 


    I'm not a doctor so I'm not going to pretend my word is gospel on this, but I have read as well as have friends in the medical profession who have told me that drugs like Remdesivir and Paxlovid are not recommended for everyone who gets COVID and that getting vaccinated is the best way to at least reduce the severity of COVID (evident by the greatly decreased cases of morbid COVID) and reduce the likelihood of getting the disease. 
    But you may think what I'm saying is a bunch of crap and totally disagree.  That's a matter of choice.  Some of us have chosen to get vaccinated.  Why not just let that be?  Why the need for this anti-vax crusade in the first place?  Are you trying to save us, or do you just need to be "right"?  Wouldn't it be much simpler just to accept that we all deal with this in whatever manner we think is best?  Personally, I don't care if someone is anti-vax as long as they stay away from me.  Problem solved.
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    edited October 2023
    Evel K said:
    I've already addressed 1 and 2 but your rebuttals in 3 and 4 are weak at best.  If you don't see the correlation between suppression of treatment and getting vaccines in arms than that's on you. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. I'm here to have discussions.  I'm open to opposing views and learning as I go. You used remdesivir as an example. I looked into it and showed you how that treatment was suppressed. Home use?  Really? You go to the doctor, get a prescription,  take it and hopefully you get better. Again, I'll emphasize this for people in the back. If remdesivir was readily available with a prescription in July of 2020 you would have had fewer people getting vaccinated. 

    So to recap again,  you think that remdesivir should have been created, tested, approved for general use,  with enough manufactured for the millions with Covid by July 2020 for a disease that we didn't know existed until late March 2020. Got it.  I guess I misunderstood your totally reasonable expectations. 
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    mrussel1 said:
    So to recap again,  you think that remdesivir should have been created, tested, approved for general use,  with enough manufactured for the millions with Covid by July 2020 for a disease that we didn't know existed until late March 2020. Got it.  I guess I misunderstood your totally reasonable expectations. 
    COVID-19  CO=Corona VI=Virus D=Disease and 19= 2019.  Remdesivir was created in 2009. As I said, I'm learning as I go, the reason it was only available in hospitals is because it was IV only at that time. So to recap, you're coming at me with a passive-aggressive ridiculing tone and the most basic facts of your entire post are 100% point blank wrong. 

    Things were different then
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    GlowGirl said:
    Yes. Moving around on long flights is a necessity. They say you should get up and walk every hour or two. I have never tried compression socks on a flight but they say that works as well to help prevent blood clots. 

    I just drink enough to make sure my blood is good and thin.
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  • Evel K said:
    COVID-19  CO=Corona VI=Virus D=Disease and 19= 2019.  Remdesivir was created in 2009. As I said, I'm learning as I go, the reason it was only available in hospitals is because it was IV only at that time. So to recap, you're coming at me with a passive-aggressive ridiculing tone and the most basic facts of your entire post are 100% point blank wrong. 

    Nice cherry pick. Why not post a link to the actual articles that state much more than your screen grab?
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  • Posts: 585
    brianlux said:

    I'm not a doctor so I'm not going to pretend my word is gospel on this, but I have read as well as have friends in the medical profession who have told me that drugs like Remdesivir and Paxlovid are not recommended for everyone who gets COVID and that getting vaccinated is the best way to at least reduce the severity of COVID (evident by the greatly decreased cases of morbid COVID) and reduce the likelihood of getting the disease. 
    But you may think what I'm saying is a bunch of crap and totally disagree.  That's a matter of choice.  Some of us have chosen to get vaccinated.  Why not just let that be?  Why the need for this anti-vax crusade in the first place?  Are you trying to save us, or do you just need to be "right"?  Wouldn't it be much simpler just to accept that we all deal with this in whatever manner we think is best?  Personally, I don't care if someone is anti-vax as long as they stay away from me.  Problem solved.
    Two shots no boosters. Am I considered vaccinated? Probably not. It's not a crusade or a need to be right, I just think about it quite a bit and that's my reason for joining the discussion. I see how the 1% hypothetical comes off as fear mongering and anti-vax but that's what was weighing on my mind. I also have a 15 year old son who had two shots and when I read about the rare instances of myocarditis it scared the hell out of me. 

    Things were different then
  • Posts: 30,879
    edited October 2023
    Evel K said:
    Two shots no boosters. Am I considered vaccinated? Probably not. It's not a crusade or a need to be right, I just think about it quite a bit and that's my reason for joining the discussion. I see how the 1% hypothetical comes off as fear mongering and anti-vax but that's what was weighing on my mind. I also have a 15 year old son who had two shots and when I read about the rare instances of myocarditis it scared the hell out of me. 

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  • Posts: 30,879
    Had Covid lat week.  It was very light overall,  just fatigue and a cough.  
  • Posts: 5,076
    mrussel1 said:
    Had Covid lat week.  It was very light overall,  just fatigue and a cough.  
    Good thing you didn't get the vaccine!  You wouldn't be alive to get covid!
    Scio me nihil scire

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  • Posts: 30,879
    static111 said:
    Good thing you didn't get the vaccine!  You wouldn't be alive to get covid!
    Yeah I really a dodged a bullet!  
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    mrussel1 said:
    Yeah I really a dodged a bullet!  

    I hope you're masked up while here.
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    mickeyrat said:

    I hope you're masked up while here.
    I'm wearing gloves as I type.  Don't worry.  
  • Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    I’m getting the lysol drip. Should be tip top by Saturday. 
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    edited November 2023
    I’m getting the lysol drip. Should be tip top by Saturday. 
    Real men mainline it in one shot.  
  • Posts: 5,076
    mrussel1 said:
    Real men mainline it in one shot.  
    I always go full suppository...fastest gateway to my brain
    Scio me nihil scire

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  • Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    I’m getting the lysol drip. Should be tip top by Saturday. 

    mrussel1 said:
    Real men mainline it in one shot.  

    static111 said:
    I always go full suppository...fastest gateway to my brain

    All right you three, knock it off.  You made me spit up my beverage, fart, and ... oh, use your freakin' imagination on that last one!
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