Jordan Neely

Merkin Baller · May 2023

mickeyrat said:

Stop bringing up dudes record as a justification for the incident. NONE OF HIS SHIT WAS KNOWN...... Typical black victim blaming bullshit.

+1

cblock4life · May 2023

Merkin Baller said:

mickeyrat said:

Stop bringing up dudes record as a justification for the incident. NONE OF HIS SHIT WAS KNOWN...... Typical black victim blaming bullshit.

+1

Definitely with you guys on this one.

Had he been treated properly after his mother passed and beyond he probably wouldn’t have had a record (maybe, maybe not, we’ll never know). Same goes for Daniel. I can’t imagine serving my country and seeing, doing those things expected of me. I’d never leave the house again. I’m not excusing either one’s behavior. Just a messed up situation all around.

cblock4life · May 2023

It’s sad how the first thing most people wonder during incidents such as these is what the color of the skin is of those involved. I’m not judging because it’s one the first things I think of as well (which I’m trying to correct). Lady justice is blindfolded to represent equality in our court systems. This goes back to Roman Greek times but I doubt justice was blind back then either. Has Justice ever been blind? Stupid woman needs that blindfold taken off (sometimes she does actually appear without it).

Halifax2TheMax · May 2023

And so it begins. How long before Maggie Three Names offers him an internship? Gift article.

https://wapo.st/41DApj8

Gern Blansten · May 2023

Merkin Baller said:

mickeyrat said:

Stop bringing up dudes record as a justification for the incident. NONE OF HIS SHIT WAS KNOWN...... Typical black victim blaming bullshit.

+1

It doesn't matter if it was known at the time...it matters because it shows a pattern of assault against innocent people. Add that to the fact (assumed...based on witness statements) that he said he was ready to die in jail for what he was going to do and a situation blows up.

Merkin Baller · May 2023

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

mickeyrat said:

Stop bringing up dudes record as a justification for the incident. NONE OF HIS SHIT WAS KNOWN...... Typical black victim blaming bullshit.

+1

It doesn't matter if it was known at the time...it matters because it shows a pattern of assault against innocent people. Add that to the fact (assumed...based on witness statements) that he said he was ready to die in jail for what he was going to do and a situation blows up.

His record doesn't justify what happened to him.

nicknyr15 · May 2023

To me this is 100% on the NYC. There has be a better system in place. The public shouldn’t be left to deal with this. Judges need to be held accountable, case workers , agencies, all need to be held accountable for their decisions that end up costing innocent lives.

tempo_n_groove · May 2023

nicknyr15 said:

To me this is 100% on the NYC. There has be a better system in place. The public shouldn’t be left to deal with this. Judges need to be held accountable, case workers , agencies, all need to be held accountable for their decisions that end up costing innocent lives.

Good ol Ronnie Reagan let people out of the asylums in the 80's and it saved the country billions.

What type of backlash would we have if we started to gather up these people with mental health issues and lock them up? Even if it's for their own good and for the public, what kind of look will that have?

I'm actually for it but I wouldn't want people to be doped up so they don't know what's real or not.

Merkin Baller · May 2023

To me it's as much a result of the piss poor mental health care we have in this country as anything else.

I have a family member who's been seeking help for mental health since February, and she can't seem to get anywhere in the system. She keeps getting redirected to one program or another and her health care providers really don't know what to do with her. It's f'ing maddening.

nicknyr15 · May 2023

Merkin Baller said:

To me it's as much a result of the piss poor mental health care we have in this country as anything else.

I have a family member who's been seeking help for mental health since February, and she can't seem to get anywhere in the system. She keeps getting redirected to one program or another and her health care providers really don't know what to do with her. It's f'ing maddening.

Agreed. A little different, I was a primary caretaker for my grandma who had dementia for z5 years. And similarly, there’s no solid place and plan to help these people. It was maddening , And it’s not like mental health illness or dementia are new. I seem to hear about both more than ever.

mace1229 · May 2023

tempo_n_groove said:

cutz said:

Gern Blansten said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Indifference said:

Assume everyone seen the longer video

https://twitter.com/WGthink/status/1655369029920407556?s=20

"Sensitive content" and can't see it.

Three people were restraining Neely. So two people came to the marine's assistance

Were the other 2 chraged?

So you have two people helping and a woman filming it looks like and the person sitting filming.

Charge them too.

Sitting idle shouldn’t be given a free pass. They could have helped.

Charge people for not helping? What is this, the series finale of Seinfeld?
I don't agree with that, you can't charge people for not getting involved. Even if you wanted to, there's too many variables and complications. How do you determine who is able to? How are they supposed to know who to assist, the guy causing the problems or the guy who took the self defense too far? Too many things to consider to charge people for not helping.

tempo_n_groove · May 2023

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cutz said:

Gern Blansten said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Indifference said:

Assume everyone seen the longer video

https://twitter.com/WGthink/status/1655369029920407556?s=20

"Sensitive content" and can't see it.

Three people were restraining Neely. So two people came to the marine's assistance

Were the other 2 chraged?

So you have two people helping and a woman filming it looks like and the person sitting filming.

Charge them too.

Sitting idle shouldn’t be given a free pass. They could have helped.

Charge people for not helping? What is this, the series finale of Seinfeld?
I don't agree with that, you can't charge people for not getting involved. Even if you wanted to, there's too many variables and complications. How do you determine who is able to? How are they supposed to know who to assist, the guy causing the problems or the guy who took the self defense too far? Too many things to consider to charge people for not helping.

There was actually a case where people got charged for just that.

Also the other cops that watched Chauvin kneel on Floyds neck were also charged, why? They didn't do anything.

mace1229 · May 2023

tempo_n_groove said:

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cutz said:

Gern Blansten said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Indifference said:

Assume everyone seen the longer video

https://twitter.com/WGthink/status/1655369029920407556?s=20

"Sensitive content" and can't see it.

Three people were restraining Neely. So two people came to the marine's assistance

Were the other 2 chraged?

So you have two people helping and a woman filming it looks like and the person sitting filming.

Charge them too.

Sitting idle shouldn’t be given a free pass. They could have helped.

Charge people for not helping? What is this, the series finale of Seinfeld?
I don't agree with that, you can't charge people for not getting involved. Even if you wanted to, there's too many variables and complications. How do you determine who is able to? How are they supposed to know who to assist, the guy causing the problems or the guy who took the self defense too far? Too many things to consider to charge people for not helping.

There was actually a case where people got charged for just that.

Also the other cops that watched Chauvin kneel on Floyds neck were also charged, why? They didn't do anything.

Because they were the police though. None of the civilian bystanders were charged, which were a lot.

mace1229 · May 2023

tempo_n_groove said:

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cutz said:

Gern Blansten said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Indifference said:

Assume everyone seen the longer video

https://twitter.com/WGthink/status/1655369029920407556?s=20

"Sensitive content" and can't see it.

Three people were restraining Neely. So two people came to the marine's assistance

Were the other 2 chraged?

So you have two people helping and a woman filming it looks like and the person sitting filming.

Charge them too.

Sitting idle shouldn’t be given a free pass. They could have helped.

Charge people for not helping? What is this, the series finale of Seinfeld?
I don't agree with that, you can't charge people for not getting involved. Even if you wanted to, there's too many variables and complications. How do you determine who is able to? How are they supposed to know who to assist, the guy causing the problems or the guy who took the self defense too far? Too many things to consider to charge people for not helping.

There was actually a case where people got charged for just that.

Also the other cops that watched Chauvin kneel on Floyds neck were also charged, why? They didn't do anything.

Whats the other example? I just googled it and, according to the inter webs, generally there is no requirement to give aid. There are a couple of states that have exceptions. But even in those exceptions, you are not required if it puts yourself in danger. I would think breaking up a fight would easily be considered putting yourself in danger. I would think that law is more like if you see someone having a heart attack on the sidewalk, you need to call 911 and not just step over him.

Gern Blansten · May 2023

I would think that most people felt like Neely was just being restrained. He was still moving until the very end.

It's horribly unfortunate.

mace1229 · May 2023

I would be fine with laws that require calling 911 or some other non physical involvement.
But strongly disagree with any requirement for physical involvement, especially if it puts you in physical danger.
We took an infant CPR class when our first kid was born. One of the things I remember is the teacher talking about how to expect to be sued if you perform CPR on a stranger in public. He cited cases where good samaritans were sued because the person receiving it felt embarrassed or some other equally crazy reason to sue someone who saved your life.
There's just too many complications, go to jail if you don't help, and get sued if you do.

nicknyr15 · May 2023

Gern Blansten said:

I would think that most people felt like Neely was just being restrained. He was still moving until the very end.

It's horribly unfortunate.

Agreed

Gern Blansten · May 2023

mace1229 said:

I would be fine with laws that require calling 911 or some other non physical involvement.
But strongly disagree with any requirement for physical involvement, especially if it puts you in physical danger.
We took an infant CPR class when our first kid was born. One of the things I remember is the teacher talking about how to expect to be sued if you perform CPR on a stranger in public. He cited cases where good samaritans were sued because the person receiving it felt embarrassed or some other equally crazy reason to sue someone who saved your life.
There's just too many complications, go to jail if you don't help, and get sued if you do.

It's been years but I remember a similar statement when I took a CPR class. People get sued for doing it too forcefully, not doing it correctly (resulting in death), etc.

And now with everyone having cell phone video it just opens up more liability if you are truly doing it "wrong."

mace1229 · May 2023

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

I would be fine with laws that require calling 911 or some other non physical involvement.
But strongly disagree with any requirement for physical involvement, especially if it puts you in physical danger.
We took an infant CPR class when our first kid was born. One of the things I remember is the teacher talking about how to expect to be sued if you perform CPR on a stranger in public. He cited cases where good samaritans were sued because the person receiving it felt embarrassed or some other equally crazy reason to sue someone who saved your life.
There's just too many complications, go to jail if you don't help, and get sued if you do.

It's been years but I remember a similar statement when I took a CPR class. People get sued for doing it too forcefully, not doing it correctly (resulting in death), etc.

And now with everyone having cell phone video it just opens up more liability if you are truly doing it "wrong."

I remember some wire sore or bruised. But the specific example I remember most was none of those. The guy (I think he was even a doctor) did everything right. But I guess the way her body was laid out, her blouse exposed her bra, so she sued the doctor because she was embarrassed. He was worried about saving her life, not the position her blouse was in.

tempo_n_groove · May 2023

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cutz said:

Gern Blansten said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Indifference said:

Assume everyone seen the longer video

https://twitter.com/WGthink/status/1655369029920407556?s=20

"Sensitive content" and can't see it.

Three people were restraining Neely. So two people came to the marine's assistance

Were the other 2 chraged?

So you have two people helping and a woman filming it looks like and the person sitting filming.

Charge them too.

Sitting idle shouldn’t be given a free pass. They could have helped.

Charge people for not helping? What is this, the series finale of Seinfeld?
I don't agree with that, you can't charge people for not getting involved. Even if you wanted to, there's too many variables and complications. How do you determine who is able to? How are they supposed to know who to assist, the guy causing the problems or the guy who took the self defense too far? Too many things to consider to charge people for not helping.

There was actually a case where people got charged for just that.

Also the other cops that watched Chauvin kneel on Floyds neck were also charged, why? They didn't do anything.

Whats the other example? I just googled it and, according to the inter webs, generally there is no requirement to give aid. There are a couple of states that have exceptions. But even in those exceptions, you are not required if it puts yourself in danger. I would think breaking up a fight would easily be considered putting yourself in danger. I would think that law is more like if you see someone having a heart attack on the sidewalk, you need to call 911 and not just step over him.

Heres one. I'll find others.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/07/16/this-ohio-man-filmed-a-fatal-car-crash-instead-of-helping-then-police-arrested-him/

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