Ten Club Presale Update

JK274975 said:

Just so I don't have to read through all these comments has anyone heard when we will get our new seat assignments?

PJNB said:

bbiggs said:

SHZA said:

bbiggs said:

In the past, we would never win our second, third or fourth priority shows without winning our first priority.  That is not the case with this tour.  Several people did not win their first priority show, but did win a second, third, fourth priority selection.  There seems to be no rhyme or reason.

Not sure that's right. If everyone picks the highest demand show number 1, not everyone can win. In 2020 my first priority was MSG and second was Baltimore. I didn't get either but I got St Louis with my 3rd choice. This year I had Chicago 1-2, which presumably were the most requested shows. I didn't get Chicago but got my 3rd choice on down. What wouldn't make sense though is if people got Chicago as their 3rd or 4th choice when people who had it top ranked didn't get it. 

You are correct.  Use MSG 2020 as the example.  Everyone puts in for that show and not everyone will win.  In that case, Ten Club then moves down the priority list to shows with less demand and those requests can be fulfilled.  I may have worded my post poorly.  However, for this 2023 tour, there have been many examples of later priority selections being fulfilled over earlier priority selections that do not meet that MSG scenario.  I put in for both Chicago shows and my second choice was fulfilled.  Both shows have somewhat similar demand it appears.  I had Chicago 2 as my first selection and lost.  Many people had Chicago 2 as their 2nd, 3rd, 4th selections and won.  That is where there is a clear disconnect this tour.

Very true and this has not been addressed at all with 10C. I appreciate them getting the seniority right but not sure why this is going unmentioned. 

mattcoz said:

PJNB said:

bbiggs said:

SHZA said:

bbiggs said:

In the past, we would never win our second, third or fourth priority shows without winning our first priority.  That is not the case with this tour.  Several people did not win their first priority show, but did win a second, third, fourth priority selection.  There seems to be no rhyme or reason.

Not sure that's right. If everyone picks the highest demand show number 1, not everyone can win. In 2020 my first priority was MSG and second was Baltimore. I didn't get either but I got St Louis with my 3rd choice. This year I had Chicago 1-2, which presumably were the most requested shows. I didn't get Chicago but got my 3rd choice on down. What wouldn't make sense though is if people got Chicago as their 3rd or 4th choice when people who had it top ranked didn't get it. 

You are correct.  Use MSG 2020 as the example.  Everyone puts in for that show and not everyone will win.  In that case, Ten Club then moves down the priority list to shows with less demand and those requests can be fulfilled.  I may have worded my post poorly.  However, for this 2023 tour, there have been many examples of later priority selections being fulfilled over earlier priority selections that do not meet that MSG scenario.  I put in for both Chicago shows and my second choice was fulfilled.  Both shows have somewhat similar demand it appears.  I had Chicago 2 as my first selection and lost.  Many people had Chicago 2 as their 2nd, 3rd, 4th selections and won.  That is where there is a clear disconnect this tour.

Very true and this has not been addressed at all with 10C. I appreciate them getting the seniority right but not sure why this is going unmentioned. 

Yeah, this is a bigger issue than seating, nobody should lose their 1st priority to any lower priority. I think they know they screwed this up, but they just don't want to take tickets away from anyone that they already sent confirmations to. One person said they got Chicago 2 with their 7th priority, which is insane. Of course, for some reason they refuse to tell us how they really do this, leaving us to just speculate.

Eddieredder said:

mattcoz said:

PJNB said:

bbiggs said:

SHZA said:

bbiggs said:

In the past, we would never win our second, third or fourth priority shows without winning our first priority.  That is not the case with this tour.  Several people did not win their first priority show, but did win a second, third, fourth priority selection.  There seems to be no rhyme or reason.

Not sure that's right. If everyone picks the highest demand show number 1, not everyone can win. In 2020 my first priority was MSG and second was Baltimore. I didn't get either but I got St Louis with my 3rd choice. This year I had Chicago 1-2, which presumably were the most requested shows. I didn't get Chicago but got my 3rd choice on down. What wouldn't make sense though is if people got Chicago as their 3rd or 4th choice when people who had it top ranked didn't get it. 

You are correct.  Use MSG 2020 as the example.  Everyone puts in for that show and not everyone will win.  In that case, Ten Club then moves down the priority list to shows with less demand and those requests can be fulfilled.  I may have worded my post poorly.  However, for this 2023 tour, there have been many examples of later priority selections being fulfilled over earlier priority selections that do not meet that MSG scenario.  I put in for both Chicago shows and my second choice was fulfilled.  Both shows have somewhat similar demand it appears.  I had Chicago 2 as my first selection and lost.  Many people had Chicago 2 as their 2nd, 3rd, 4th selections and won.  That is where there is a clear disconnect this tour.

Very true and this has not been addressed at all with 10C. I appreciate them getting the seniority right but not sure why this is going unmentioned. 

Yeah, this is a bigger issue than seating, nobody should lose their 1st priority to any lower priority. I think they know they screwed this up, but they just don't want to take tickets away from anyone that they already sent confirmations to. One person said they got Chicago 2 with their 7th priority, which is insane. Of course, for some reason they refuse to tell us how they really do this, leaving us to just speculate.

My unsubstantiated theory is that they did it NBA draft style based on priority. Higher priority got more ping pong balls in the draw. Lower had fewer. Odds still favored the higher priority, but it is still possible for lower to win. That way they have to do less draws and it simplifies things. 

troubledsoulsuniteblog said:

wiscojam said:

Sarava said:

joe159 said:

Sarava said:

So I'm looking at my seats for the Thursday show at the UC - eek I didnt realize how bad these seats were. I'm in section 305, 3rd row from the top. It's the furthest corner section in the arena, with only 2 rows worse. I'm TC#495xxx, which normally gets me in the lower bowl, about 3/4 of the way back. And I like those seats when I get them. Now I have about the worst seats in the house. Which makes me wonder - where the hell did they put the 496xxx - 750xxx people if I have the worst seats? They couldnt have crammed them all in the 2 rows behind me? But maybe something will be redrawn as they said they will look in to.

I'm TC#515###, I drew section 321, 10th row

Interesting. I did select side/rear as well. This was my first priority in the drawing for whatever its worth.

I guess we'll see how this shakes out. But my first thought is, and I'm thinking to future tours/sales - if they are selling most of the arena to TC members, which allows people to get in on 3rd and 4th choices or beyond - this is going to permanently kill the seats for anyone who joined the ten club in the last 15 years. Because we're going to get worse seats than people who sneak in on their 4th or 5th priority, no matter what show we put in for, or no matter the priority.

Oh and RIP Gordon Lightfoot. That's sad news.

Not sure how many of us in the 10C for over 15 years (we are mostly now in our 40s and 50s+) are going to 4 and 5 shows per tour. I get it's more than most band's fan base, but I can't believe it would kill seat priority for the rest.

I mean, it's clearly a lot. I've been in for 15 years (after joining 20 years ago and then lapsing for a few years). My number from 20 years ago was 374XXX. Current number is 421XXX. There are tons of people on these boards who have lower numbers than that. Obviously, there's a bias correlating old school superfans with low numbers - but I think it's safe to say that there are still many people who must be in 10C for more than 25 years.

Also - I'm in my late 30s and didn't first join 10C until I was 18 and didn't rejoin until I was 23. Definitely people who could be in their 30s who've been in the 10C for 15-20 years. And now that many have more disposable income - that can lead to vacation days + travel + shows. Add that to the fact that many of us haven't seen this band since pre-COVID and you get a perfect storm of seat priority shitshow. 

wiscojam said:

troubledsoulsuniteblog said:

wiscojam said:

Sarava said:

joe159 said:

Sarava said:

So I'm looking at my seats for the Thursday show at the UC - eek I didnt realize how bad these seats were. I'm in section 305, 3rd row from the top. It's the furthest corner section in the arena, with only 2 rows worse. I'm TC#495xxx, which normally gets me in the lower bowl, about 3/4 of the way back. And I like those seats when I get them. Now I have about the worst seats in the house. Which makes me wonder - where the hell did they put the 496xxx - 750xxx people if I have the worst seats? They couldnt have crammed them all in the 2 rows behind me? But maybe something will be redrawn as they said they will look in to.

I'm TC#515###, I drew section 321, 10th row

Interesting. I did select side/rear as well. This was my first priority in the drawing for whatever its worth.

I guess we'll see how this shakes out. But my first thought is, and I'm thinking to future tours/sales - if they are selling most of the arena to TC members, which allows people to get in on 3rd and 4th choices or beyond - this is going to permanently kill the seats for anyone who joined the ten club in the last 15 years. Because we're going to get worse seats than people who sneak in on their 4th or 5th priority, no matter what show we put in for, or no matter the priority.

Oh and RIP Gordon Lightfoot. That's sad news.

Not sure how many of us in the 10C for over 15 years (we are mostly now in our 40s and 50s+) are going to 4 and 5 shows per tour. I get it's more than most band's fan base, but I can't believe it would kill seat priority for the rest.

I mean, it's clearly a lot. I've been in for 15 years (after joining 20 years ago and then lapsing for a few years). My number from 20 years ago was 374XXX. Current number is 421XXX. There are tons of people on these boards who have lower numbers than that. Obviously, there's a bias correlating old school superfans with low numbers - but I think it's safe to say that there are still many people who must be in 10C for more than 25 years.

Also - I'm in my late 30s and didn't first join 10C until I was 18 and didn't rejoin until I was 23. Definitely people who could be in their 30s who've been in the 10C for 15-20 years. And now that many have more disposable income - that can lead to vacation days + travel + shows. Add that to the fact that many of us haven't seen this band since pre-COVID and you get a perfect storm of seat priority shitshow. 

yes, lots of 10C members in for over 15, 20 years. I just don't think that many of them/us are traveling for 4 or 5 shows per tour. 

The ONLY reason I've been continuous with my membership for 20+ years is for the Seniority status.

Eddieredder said:

wiscojam said:

troubledsoulsuniteblog said:

wiscojam said:

Sarava said:

joe159 said:

Sarava said:

So I'm looking at my seats for the Thursday show at the UC - eek I didnt realize how bad these seats were. I'm in section 305, 3rd row from the top. It's the furthest corner section in the arena, with only 2 rows worse. I'm TC#495xxx, which normally gets me in the lower bowl, about 3/4 of the way back. And I like those seats when I get them. Now I have about the worst seats in the house. Which makes me wonder - where the hell did they put the 496xxx - 750xxx people if I have the worst seats? They couldnt have crammed them all in the 2 rows behind me? But maybe something will be redrawn as they said they will look in to.

I'm TC#515###, I drew section 321, 10th row

Interesting. I did select side/rear as well. This was my first priority in the drawing for whatever its worth.

I guess we'll see how this shakes out. But my first thought is, and I'm thinking to future tours/sales - if they are selling most of the arena to TC members, which allows people to get in on 3rd and 4th choices or beyond - this is going to permanently kill the seats for anyone who joined the ten club in the last 15 years. Because we're going to get worse seats than people who sneak in on their 4th or 5th priority, no matter what show we put in for, or no matter the priority.

Oh and RIP Gordon Lightfoot. That's sad news.

Not sure how many of us in the 10C for over 15 years (we are mostly now in our 40s and 50s+) are going to 4 and 5 shows per tour. I get it's more than most band's fan base, but I can't believe it would kill seat priority for the rest.

I mean, it's clearly a lot. I've been in for 15 years (after joining 20 years ago and then lapsing for a few years). My number from 20 years ago was 374XXX. Current number is 421XXX. There are tons of people on these boards who have lower numbers than that. Obviously, there's a bias correlating old school superfans with low numbers - but I think it's safe to say that there are still many people who must be in 10C for more than 25 years.

Also - I'm in my late 30s and didn't first join 10C until I was 18 and didn't rejoin until I was 23. Definitely people who could be in their 30s who've been in the 10C for 15-20 years. And now that many have more disposable income - that can lead to vacation days + travel + shows. Add that to the fact that many of us haven't seen this band since pre-COVID and you get a perfect storm of seat priority shitshow. 

yes, lots of 10C members in for over 15, 20 years. I just don't think that many of them/us are traveling for 4 or 5 shows per tour. 

The ONLY reason I've been continuous with my membership for 20+ years is for the Seniority status.

Disagree. Especially on such a short run of shows. Clearly a lot of people are travelling. Look at the "where are you going" thread. 

Maze1197 said:

I got tickets to both ST Paul shows today somehow. Can’t go 9/2 so will do f2f if anyone wants to go.