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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,546
    static111 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    static111 said:
    If Trump runs and takes away enough votes from any other Republican to have a plurality, they will all get behind him and the money will come rushing in.  The Koch's etc have no moral compass and they will have zero problems funneling all of their money to Trump if his base follows him.  They can't win without Trump's base and if the chips are down they will all come crawling back to trump with bended knees.  Their best chance is Trump vs whomever and hope that Dems and progressives aren't enthusiastic enough to get record turnout again.
    Disagree...they know he won't win
    No R will win  nationally without Trump's base.  Why spend any money on a presidential candidate if they are all losers.  Trump isn't gonna get behind anyone else and will take his 30% and go home.  Rs like to win they aren't stupid enough to pretend to have morals when it comes to Trump if it means national elections.  They will talk big now, but come 24 they will be groveling for his support and the votes of his base.
    As it is right now, Trump has a decent chance of winning the nomination. 
  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,073
    Go Beavers said:
    static111 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    static111 said:
    If Trump runs and takes away enough votes from any other Republican to have a plurality, they will all get behind him and the money will come rushing in.  The Koch's etc have no moral compass and they will have zero problems funneling all of their money to Trump if his base follows him.  They can't win without Trump's base and if the chips are down they will all come crawling back to trump with bended knees.  Their best chance is Trump vs whomever and hope that Dems and progressives aren't enthusiastic enough to get record turnout again.
    Disagree...they know he won't win
    No R will win  nationally without Trump's base.  Why spend any money on a presidential candidate if they are all losers.  Trump isn't gonna get behind anyone else and will take his 30% and go home.  Rs like to win they aren't stupid enough to pretend to have morals when it comes to Trump if it means national elections.  They will talk big now, but come 24 they will be groveling for his support and the votes of his base.
    As it is right now, Trump has a decent chance of winning the nomination. 
    Exactly.  So anything the Kochs or others say regarding moving on from Trump needs to be taken with a grain of salt.  Winning elections are the most important thing for them. If he is the clear front runner all of the republicans supposedly new found morals will go right back out the window.
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  • josevolution
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    static111 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    static111 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    static111 said:
    If Trump runs and takes away enough votes from any other Republican to have a plurality, they will all get behind him and the money will come rushing in.  The Koch's etc have no moral compass and they will have zero problems funneling all of their money to Trump if his base follows him.  They can't win without Trump's base and if the chips are down they will all come crawling back to trump with bended knees.  Their best chance is Trump vs whomever and hope that Dems and progressives aren't enthusiastic enough to get record turnout again.
    Disagree...they know he won't win
    No R will win  nationally without Trump's base.  Why spend any money on a presidential candidate if they are all losers.  Trump isn't gonna get behind anyone else and will take his 30% and go home.  Rs like to win they aren't stupid enough to pretend to have morals when it comes to Trump if it means national elections.  They will talk big now, but come 24 they will be groveling for his support and the votes of his base.
    As it is right now, Trump has a decent chance of winning the nomination. 
    Exactly.  So anything the Kochs or others say regarding moving on from Trump needs to be taken with a grain of salt.  Winning elections are the most important thing for them. If he is the clear front runner all of the republicans supposedly new found morals will go right back out the window.
    Yeah that’s the way I see it playing out if he’s clearly in the lead 
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,177
    static111 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    static111 said:
    If Trump runs and takes away enough votes from any other Republican to have a plurality, they will all get behind him and the money will come rushing in.  The Koch's etc have no moral compass and they will have zero problems funneling all of their money to Trump if his base follows him.  They can't win without Trump's base and if the chips are down they will all come crawling back to trump with bended knees.  Their best chance is Trump vs whomever and hope that Dems and progressives aren't enthusiastic enough to get record turnout again.
    Disagree...they know he won't win
    No R will win  nationally without Trump's base.  Why spend any money on a presidential candidate if they are all losers.  Trump isn't gonna get behind anyone else and will take his 30% and go home.  Rs like to win they aren't stupid enough to pretend to have morals when it comes to Trump if it means national elections.  They will talk big now, but come 24 they will be groveling for his support and the votes of his base.
    to regenerate....they know their base is dying. 
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • mickeyrat
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    Pence subpoena could set up fight over executive privilege
    By ERIC TUCKER and JILL COLVIN
    Today

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The subpoena to former Vice President Mike Pence is a milestone moment in an ongoing Justice Department special counsel investigation. But it doesn't guarantee he's going to be testifying before a grand jury anytime soon.

    Pence is the latest official in former President Donald Trump's administration to be subpoenaed as part of the investigation into efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election, but the push for Pence's testimony is unique because he's the highest-ranking official known to have been summoned.

    The subpoena, the most aggressive step to date taken by special counsel Jack Smith, sets the stage for a potential dispute over executive privilege, creating a dynamic that could test — or at least delay — the Justice Department's ability to get from Pence the testimony it believes it needs.

    Representatives for Pence have not said publicly whether he intends to comply with the subpoena or will instead look to try to limit his grand jury appearance or avoid it altogether. Trump, for his part, has not said whether he plans to assert executive privilege to prevent Pence's cooperation. But some legal experts say he faces significant hurdles in succeeding if he tried to do so.

    “This will be fairly straightforward because the Department of Justice will be able to make a very compelling showing for the testimony," said W. Neil Eggleston, a former White House counsel in the Obama administration.

    Spokespeople for Pence and Smith declined to comment on the subpoena, which a person familiar with the matter said followed back-and-forth negotiations between the two sides. A lawyer for the former vice president did not return emails seeking comment. Pence has been represented by veteran attorney Emmet Flood, who over decades in Washington has navigated other high-profile political figures through executive privilege disputes.

    Pence’s interest to investigators is obvious. Despite having only a ceremonial role in overseeing the election, Pence was hectored for weeks by Trump to help him stay in power, with the president falsely insisting that Pence could simply reject the results and send them back to the battleground states he contested.

    Some of the Trump loyalists who stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 as Pence was presiding over the counting of electoral votes chanted " “Hang Mike Pence!” as the vice president was steered to safety.

    Since then, Pence, who is considering launching a 2024 presidential bid against Trump, has distanced himself from the former president, saying last year that “President Trump is wrong” and that “I had no right to overturn the election.”

    Despite that criticism, Pence opted against testifying voluntarily before the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 insurrection and was never subpoenaed to appear. Whether he views cooperation with the grand jury differently is unclear, as is whether he and his lawyers will try to avoid being forced to discuss private conversations with Trump.

    In the event he does ultimately testify, a subpoena might give him a degree of political cover, helping him avoid further alienating Trump supporters he may need for his own election bid by allowing him to say that he was compelled to cooperate rather than did so voluntarily.

    If he does not wish to comply, he may look for Trump to intervene by invoking executive privilege, a doctrine meant to protect the confidentiality of the Oval Office decision-making process. Such an action could result in closed-door arguments before the D.C. court's chief federal judge, Beryl Howell.

    Even then, though, the prospects for success is uncertain at best, in part because the privilege is not absolute and courts have held it can be overcome if the evidence being sought is deemed necessary for a criminal trial or a grand jury proceeding.

    The Supreme Court made that clear in a 1974 decision that forced President Richard Nixon to turn over damning Oval Office recordings, saying using the principle to “withhold evidence that is demonstrably relevant in a criminal trial would cut deeply into the guarantee of due process of law and gravely impair the basic function of the court.”

    Trump has also been unsuccessful in asserting executive privilege in instances where the current Biden administration disagrees. For instance, the Biden White House repeatedly rejected Trump efforts to use executive privilege to prevent the National Archives and Records Administration from producing presidential records about Jan. 6 to the House committee. The Supreme Court in January 2022 also rebuffed Trump's efforts to withhold the documents.

    Other Trump administration officials have already testified before the grand jury, including former White House counsel Pat Cipollone and his top deputy as well as Pence's own chief of staff, Marc Short.

    Former Trump administration national security adviser Robert O'Brien has also been subpoenaed by the special counsel as part of the Jan. 6 investigation and a separate probe into the presence of classified documents at Trump's Florida estate, according to a person familiar with the matter who insisted on anonymity to discuss the action.

    “It's a little uncomfortable that that evidence is being sought from his vice president. But the law has not generally differentiated among people in a White House," Eggleston said.

    Other potential complicating factors include the fact that the episodes investigators presumably want to question Pence about — such as Trump's efforts to influence counting of the votes — don't concern conventional presidential duties likes the ones typically thought to be shielded by executive privilege, said Daniel Farber, a presidential powers expert and Berkeley Law professor.

    He also wrote in detail about many of those episodes in a book published last year, “So Help Me God." That includes descriptions of a Trump pressure campaign aimed at getting Pence to reject the election results, as well as numerous conversations ahead of Jan. 6, when Pence says he told Trump that he did not believe he had the power to do what Trump wanted.

    “I think there are arguments that Pence can make or the Trump could make,” Farber said. “And of course, you can never 100% predict what the courts will do. But it doesn’t seem like an especially strong argument.”


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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,073
    Gern Blansten said:
    static111 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    static111 said:
    If Trump runs and takes away enough votes from any other Republican to have a plurality, they will all get behind him and the money will come rushing in.  The Koch's etc have no moral compass and they will have zero problems funneling all of their money to Trump if his base follows him.  They can't win without Trump's base and if the chips are down they will all come crawling back to trump with bended knees.  Their best chance is Trump vs whomever and hope that Dems and progressives aren't enthusiastic enough to get record turnout again.
    Disagree...they know he won't win
    No R will win  nationally without Trump's base.  Why spend any money on a presidential candidate if they are all losers.  Trump isn't gonna get behind anyone else and will take his 30% and go home.  Rs like to win they aren't stupid enough to pretend to have morals when it comes to Trump if it means national elections.  They will talk big now, but come 24 they will be groveling for his support and the votes of his base.
    to regenerate....they know their base is dying. 
    If their base dies there will be no regeneration
    Scio me nihil scire

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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,177
    static111 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    static111 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    static111 said:
    If Trump runs and takes away enough votes from any other Republican to have a plurality, they will all get behind him and the money will come rushing in.  The Koch's etc have no moral compass and they will have zero problems funneling all of their money to Trump if his base follows him.  They can't win without Trump's base and if the chips are down they will all come crawling back to trump with bended knees.  Their best chance is Trump vs whomever and hope that Dems and progressives aren't enthusiastic enough to get record turnout again.
    Disagree...they know he won't win
    No R will win  nationally without Trump's base.  Why spend any money on a presidential candidate if they are all losers.  Trump isn't gonna get behind anyone else and will take his 30% and go home.  Rs like to win they aren't stupid enough to pretend to have morals when it comes to Trump if it means national elections.  They will talk big now, but come 24 they will be groveling for his support and the votes of his base.
    to regenerate....they know their base is dying. 
    If their base dies there will be no regeneration
    Well apparently Sara Hucksterbee Sanders is the voice of the newly formed anti-woke GOP
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Gern Blansten said:
    static111 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    static111 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    static111 said:
    If Trump runs and takes away enough votes from any other Republican to have a plurality, they will all get behind him and the money will come rushing in.  The Koch's etc have no moral compass and they will have zero problems funneling all of their money to Trump if his base follows him.  They can't win without Trump's base and if the chips are down they will all come crawling back to trump with bended knees.  Their best chance is Trump vs whomever and hope that Dems and progressives aren't enthusiastic enough to get record turnout again.
    Disagree...they know he won't win
    No R will win  nationally without Trump's base.  Why spend any money on a presidential candidate if they are all losers.  Trump isn't gonna get behind anyone else and will take his 30% and go home.  Rs like to win they aren't stupid enough to pretend to have morals when it comes to Trump if it means national elections.  They will talk big now, but come 24 they will be groveling for his support and the votes of his base.
    to regenerate....they know their base is dying. 
    If their base dies there will be no regeneration
    Well apparently Sara Hucksterbee Sanders is the voice of the newly formed anti-woke GOP
    And POOTWH is playing catch up on some of her and Deathsantis’s policies and platform. POOTWH doesn’t have the bully pulpit of a governor’s mansion to make bold pronouncements of outlawing CRT or signing laws against the LGBT community. He’s just got a gaudy party property and a slew of investigations. SAD! They’re moving on without him and see that the future is brighter with POOTWH in the rear view mirror rather than gripping the steering wheel. The leverage they all hold is the eventual power to pardon.
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  • mickeyrat
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    gift article....


     

    Jack Smith, Special Counsel for Trump Inquiries, Steps Up the Pace

    Named less than three months ago to oversee investigations into Donald J. Trump’s efforts to hold onto power and his handling of classified documents, the special counsel is moving aggressively.

    Image
    Jack Smith at The Hague in 2020
    Jack Smith has kept a low profile, making no public appearances and sticking to a long pattern of empowering subordinates rather than interposing himself directly in investigations.Credit...Pool photo by Peter Dejong
    Feb. 12, 2023

    Did former President Donald J. Trump consume detailed information about foreign countries while in office? How extensively did he seek information about whether voting machines had been tampered with? Did he indicate he knew he was leaving when his term ended?

    Those are among the questions that Justice Department investigators have been directing at witnesses as the special counsel, Jack Smith, takes control of the federal investigations into Mr. Trump’s efforts to reverse his 2020 election loss and his handling of classified documents found in his possession after he left office.

    Through witness interviews, subpoenas and other steps, Mr. Smith has been moving aggressively since being named to take over the inquiries nearly three months ago, seeking to make good on his goal of resolving as quickly as possible whether Mr. Trump, still a leading contender for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, should face charges.

    Last week, he issued a subpoena to former Vice President Mike Pence, a potentially vital witness to Mr. Trump’s actions and state of mind in the days before the Jan. 6, 2021, assault on the Capitol by a pro-Trump mob.


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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,177
    We're getting closer....
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,050
    static111 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    static111 said:
    If Trump runs and takes away enough votes from any other Republican to have a plurality, they will all get behind him and the money will come rushing in.  The Koch's etc have no moral compass and they will have zero problems funneling all of their money to Trump if his base follows him.  They can't win without Trump's base and if the chips are down they will all come crawling back to trump with bended knees.  Their best chance is Trump vs whomever and hope that Dems and progressives aren't enthusiastic enough to get record turnout again.
    Disagree...they know he won't win
    No R will win  nationally without Trump's base.  Why spend any money on a presidential candidate if they are all losers.  Trump isn't gonna get behind anyone else and will take his 30% and go home.  Rs like to win they aren't stupid enough to pretend to have morals when it comes to Trump if it means national elections.  They will talk big now, but come 24 they will be groveling for his support and the votes of his base.
    i agree. trump has that party by the balls. if it looks like he is going to lose the gop nomination he could run as a third party candidate and pull his 30% away from the gop nominee and severely damage the entire party's prospects in that election.

    all these never trumpers or people who say we have to move on from trump will have to grovel at his feet for support. he is the kind of person that would not give an endorsement simply out of spite.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,050
    Gern Blansten said:
    static111 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    static111 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    static111 said:
    If Trump runs and takes away enough votes from any other Republican to have a plurality, they will all get behind him and the money will come rushing in.  The Koch's etc have no moral compass and they will have zero problems funneling all of their money to Trump if his base follows him.  They can't win without Trump's base and if the chips are down they will all come crawling back to trump with bended knees.  Their best chance is Trump vs whomever and hope that Dems and progressives aren't enthusiastic enough to get record turnout again.
    Disagree...they know he won't win
    No R will win  nationally without Trump's base.  Why spend any money on a presidential candidate if they are all losers.  Trump isn't gonna get behind anyone else and will take his 30% and go home.  Rs like to win they aren't stupid enough to pretend to have morals when it comes to Trump if it means national elections.  They will talk big now, but come 24 they will be groveling for his support and the votes of his base.
    to regenerate....they know their base is dying. 
    If their base dies there will be no regeneration
    Well apparently Sara Hucksterbee Sanders is the voice of the newly formed anti-woke GOP
    nobody under age 30 is listening to her. nobody believes nonsense that everything is woke and that liberals are destroying everything. the gop message is absolutely not connecting with young voters. young voters rejected them in 2020 and 2022, and they are not making any traction with young voters at this time either.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,177
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    static111 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    static111 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    static111 said:
    If Trump runs and takes away enough votes from any other Republican to have a plurality, they will all get behind him and the money will come rushing in.  The Koch's etc have no moral compass and they will have zero problems funneling all of their money to Trump if his base follows him.  They can't win without Trump's base and if the chips are down they will all come crawling back to trump with bended knees.  Their best chance is Trump vs whomever and hope that Dems and progressives aren't enthusiastic enough to get record turnout again.
    Disagree...they know he won't win
    No R will win  nationally without Trump's base.  Why spend any money on a presidential candidate if they are all losers.  Trump isn't gonna get behind anyone else and will take his 30% and go home.  Rs like to win they aren't stupid enough to pretend to have morals when it comes to Trump if it means national elections.  They will talk big now, but come 24 they will be groveling for his support and the votes of his base.
    to regenerate....they know their base is dying. 
    If their base dies there will be no regeneration
    Well apparently Sara Hucksterbee Sanders is the voice of the newly formed anti-woke GOP
    nobody under age 30 is listening to her. nobody believes nonsense that everything is woke and that liberals are destroying everything. the gop message is absolutely not connecting with young voters. young voters rejected them in 2020 and 2022, and they are not making any traction with young voters at this time either.
    totally agree....I'm seeing that with my own kids and their friends. 
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    edited February 2023
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    static111 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    static111 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    static111 said:
    If Trump runs and takes away enough votes from any other Republican to have a plurality, they will all get behind him and the money will come rushing in.  The Koch's etc have no moral compass and they will have zero problems funneling all of their money to Trump if his base follows him.  They can't win without Trump's base and if the chips are down they will all come crawling back to trump with bended knees.  Their best chance is Trump vs whomever and hope that Dems and progressives aren't enthusiastic enough to get record turnout again.
    Disagree...they know he won't win
    No R will win  nationally without Trump's base.  Why spend any money on a presidential candidate if they are all losers.  Trump isn't gonna get behind anyone else and will take his 30% and go home.  Rs like to win they aren't stupid enough to pretend to have morals when it comes to Trump if it means national elections.  They will talk big now, but come 24 they will be groveling for his support and the votes of his base.
    to regenerate....they know their base is dying. 
    If their base dies there will be no regeneration
    Well apparently Sara Hucksterbee Sanders is the voice of the newly formed anti-woke GOP
    nobody under age 30 is listening to her. nobody believes nonsense that everything is woke and that liberals are destroying everything. the gop message is absolutely not connecting with young voters. young voters rejected them in 2020 and 2022, and they are not making any traction with young voters at this time either.
    At least anecdotally, the response from the GOP is to raise the voting age, repeal the 19th, repeal the 15th and allow only landowners to vote.

    That last one always comes with the phrase that  only people "with skin in the game" should be voting. Yeah, non-landowners that are going to die in prison for spitting on the street (or whatever ridiculous laws the overlords will come up with) don't have skin in the game...
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,050
    OnWis97 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    static111 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    static111 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    static111 said:
    If Trump runs and takes away enough votes from any other Republican to have a plurality, they will all get behind him and the money will come rushing in.  The Koch's etc have no moral compass and they will have zero problems funneling all of their money to Trump if his base follows him.  They can't win without Trump's base and if the chips are down they will all come crawling back to trump with bended knees.  Their best chance is Trump vs whomever and hope that Dems and progressives aren't enthusiastic enough to get record turnout again.
    Disagree...they know he won't win
    No R will win  nationally without Trump's base.  Why spend any money on a presidential candidate if they are all losers.  Trump isn't gonna get behind anyone else and will take his 30% and go home.  Rs like to win they aren't stupid enough to pretend to have morals when it comes to Trump if it means national elections.  They will talk big now, but come 24 they will be groveling for his support and the votes of his base.
    to regenerate....they know their base is dying. 
    If their base dies there will be no regeneration
    Well apparently Sara Hucksterbee Sanders is the voice of the newly formed anti-woke GOP
    nobody under age 30 is listening to her. nobody believes nonsense that everything is woke and that liberals are destroying everything. the gop message is absolutely not connecting with young voters. young voters rejected them in 2020 and 2022, and they are not making any traction with young voters at this time either.
    At least anecdotally, the response from the GOP is to raise the voting age, repeal the 19th, repeal the 15th and allow only landowners to vote.

    That last one always comes with the phrase that  only people "with skin in the game" should be voting. Yeah, non-landowners that are going to die in prison for spitting on the street (or whatever ridiculous laws the overlords will come up with) don't have skin in the game...
    if we pay taxes and we are american citizens we have skin in the game.
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,372
    gift article......


     What it means for Pence to fight his subpoena — politically and legally
    By Aaron Blake
    February 14, 2023 at 15:00 ET
    On the afternoon of Jan. 6, 2021, President Donald Trump went after Vice President Mike Pence for refusing to go along with his plot to overturn the 2020 election. He did so even after, according to witnesses, Trump was made aware of the unrest at the Capitol, where some of the rioters chanted, “Hang Mike Pence.” And Trump’s singling him out wound up diminishing whatever chance Pence might ever have of becoming president, by turning the GOP base against him — an effect that registered almost immediately.
    As for those hoping Pence will answer investigators’ questions about all that? Apparently they’ll have to keep waiting: Pence will resist a grand jury subpoena, issued as part of special counsel Jack Smith’s investigation into Trump’s actions vis-a-vis Jan. 6. (Politico’s Kyle Cheney and Josh Gerstein broke the news Tuesday.)
    Pence will reportedly argue that the speech or debate clause of the Constitution makes him immune from testifying. The idea is effectively that Pence was serving a legislative function on Jan. 6 by presiding over the counting of electoral college votes in Congress. The courts have long protected legislators from having to testify or provide information to the executive branch, which includes the Justice Department.
    The decision is a very big one both politically and legally.
    Politically speaking, Pence is hardly the first Trump ally or GOP elected official to resist a subpoena. (Stephen K. Bannon was ultimately sentenced to four months in prison for contempt of Congress, for refusing to cooperate with the House Jan. 6 committee.) Everyone who has faced testifying against Trump knows it comes with the prospect of a barrage of Trump attacks and may alienate the GOP base.


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    under appellate review



     

    Judge rejected Perry’s bid to shield thousands of emails from Jan. 6 investigators

    The Pennsylvanian lawmaker's phone was seized and imaged by the FBI as part of the 2020 election investigation.

    Rep Scott Perry participates in a meeting

    Rep. Scott Perry, a Republican lawmaker from Pennsylvania, had urged Howell to block the Justice Department from accessing 2,219 documents stored on his phone. | Kevin Dietsch/Getty Images

    By Kyle Cheney and Josh Gerstein

    02/24/2023 10:29 PM EST


    The chief judge of the federal district court in Washington, D.C., secretly rejected Rep. Scott Perry’s bid to shield more than 2,000 messages relevant to Justice Department investigators probing efforts by Donald Trump to subvert the 2020 election, according to newly unsealed court filings.

    U.S. District Court Chief Judge Beryl Howell unsealed her extraordinary Dec. 28 decision on Friday evening, determining that the “powerful public interest” in seeing the previously secret opinion outweighed the need for continued secrecy.


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     As 2024 race begins, special counsel advances with focus on Trump lawyers
    By Jacqueline Alemany, Josh Dawsey, Spencer S. Hsu and Devlin Barrett
    March 03, 2023 at 14:30 ET
    Federal prosecutors investigating efforts to overturn the 2020 election have asked witnesses extensive questions about the actions of Rudy Giuliani, a lawyer for former president Donald Trump — including where he got his information about alleged fraud, what he did in the days around Jan. 6, 2021, and what he knew about the actions coming that day, people who have appeared in front of the grand jury say.
    Investigators looking into classified documents taken to Mar-a-Lago, Trump’s Florida home and private club, have sought to force testimony from another Trump lawyer, Evan Corcoran, by saying there is evidence that the former president used the attorney’s legal services in furtherance of a crime.
    And prosecutors have repeatedly sought information on the actions of yet another Trump lawyer, Boris Epshteyn, in connection with both classified documents and Trump’s false electors scheme, three people said. They have quizzed multiple Trump attorneys involved with the documents case, including Christina Bobb, Alina Habba and Jesse Binnall, according to the people familiar with the investigation, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss it.
    The investigative activity highlights one of the ways in which the Trump probes are unusual and complex — turning some of his many current or former attorneys into witnesses or potential investigative targets. A Trump spokesman said the legal strategy was a sign of weakness in the case against the former president.
    The probes are led by special counsel Jack Smith, who was appointed by Attorney General Merrick Garland to insulate the work from political influence. Smith’s pace appears to be quickening as the 2024 presidential election starts to take shape, with Trump once again a candidate and President Biden — Garland’s boss — poised to seek a second term. Trump so far has two declared Republican opponents. Legal experts say that if Smith brings criminal charges against Trump, those charges would likely be pending when the GOP primary debates begin in August.
    [How Jack Smith charged Kosovo's president and blew up a Trump meeting]
    In recent weeks, the special counsel has issued a flurry of grand jury subpoenas to high-profile witnesses, including former vice president Mike Pence and former chief of staff Mark Meadows. Smith has also imposed strict deadlines for responses in what may be a push to reach internal charging decisions this spring, people familiar with the investigations said. Some of the requests for information, including of Corcoran, have triggered closed-door legal battles that could significantly complicate that time frame.

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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,177
    If tRump has a defense it is his reliance on attorneys. He might be able to wiggle his way out by claiming ignorance (which he is clearly a fucking moron) but his attorneys won't get that luxury. 
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,372
    Gern Blansten said:
    If tRump has a defense it is his reliance on attorneys. He might be able to wiggle his way out by claiming ignorance (which he is clearly a fucking moron) but his attorneys won't get that luxury. 
    can you claim ignorance given his history using the courts?

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