If Trump runs and takes away enough votes from any other Republican to have a plurality, they will all get behind him and the money will come rushing in. The Koch's etc have no moral compass and they will have zero problems funneling all of their money to Trump if his base follows him. They can't win without Trump's base and if the chips are down they will all come crawling back to trump with bended knees. Their best chance is Trump vs whomever and hope that Dems and progressives aren't enthusiastic enough to get record turnout again.
Disagree...they know he won't win
No R will win nationally without Trump's base. Why spend any money on a presidential candidate if they are all losers. Trump isn't gonna get behind anyone else and will take his 30% and go home. Rs like to win they aren't stupid enough to pretend to have morals when it comes to Trump if it means national elections. They will talk big now, but come 24 they will be groveling for his support and the votes of his base.
i agree. trump has that party by the balls. if it looks like he is going to lose the gop nomination he could run as a third party candidate and pull his 30% away from the gop nominee and severely damage the entire party's prospects in that election.
all these never trumpers or people who say we have to move on from trump will have to grovel at his feet for support. he is the kind of person that would not give an endorsement simply out of spite.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway
If Trump runs and takes away enough votes from any other Republican to have a plurality, they will all get behind him and the money will come rushing in. The Koch's etc have no moral compass and they will have zero problems funneling all of their money to Trump if his base follows him. They can't win without Trump's base and if the chips are down they will all come crawling back to trump with bended knees. Their best chance is Trump vs whomever and hope that Dems and progressives aren't enthusiastic enough to get record turnout again.
Disagree...they know he won't win
No R will win nationally without Trump's base. Why spend any money on a presidential candidate if they are all losers. Trump isn't gonna get behind anyone else and will take his 30% and go home. Rs like to win they aren't stupid enough to pretend to have morals when it comes to Trump if it means national elections. They will talk big now, but come 24 they will be groveling for his support and the votes of his base.
to regenerate....they know their base is dying.
If their base dies there will be no regeneration
Well apparently Sara Hucksterbee Sanders is the voice of the newly formed anti-woke GOP
nobody under age 30 is listening to her. nobody believes nonsense that everything is woke and that liberals are destroying everything. the gop message is absolutely not connecting with young voters. young voters rejected them in 2020 and 2022, and they are not making any traction with young voters at this time either.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway
If Trump runs and takes away enough votes from any other Republican to have a plurality, they will all get behind him and the money will come rushing in. The Koch's etc have no moral compass and they will have zero problems funneling all of their money to Trump if his base follows him. They can't win without Trump's base and if the chips are down they will all come crawling back to trump with bended knees. Their best chance is Trump vs whomever and hope that Dems and progressives aren't enthusiastic enough to get record turnout again.
Disagree...they know he won't win
No R will win nationally without Trump's base. Why spend any money on a presidential candidate if they are all losers. Trump isn't gonna get behind anyone else and will take his 30% and go home. Rs like to win they aren't stupid enough to pretend to have morals when it comes to Trump if it means national elections. They will talk big now, but come 24 they will be groveling for his support and the votes of his base.
to regenerate....they know their base is dying.
If their base dies there will be no regeneration
Well apparently Sara Hucksterbee Sanders is the voice of the newly formed anti-woke GOP
nobody under age 30 is listening to her. nobody believes nonsense that everything is woke and that liberals are destroying everything. the gop message is absolutely not connecting with young voters. young voters rejected them in 2020 and 2022, and they are not making any traction with young voters at this time either.
totally agree....I'm seeing that with my own kids and their friends.
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If Trump runs and takes away enough votes from any other Republican to have a plurality, they will all get behind him and the money will come rushing in. The Koch's etc have no moral compass and they will have zero problems funneling all of their money to Trump if his base follows him. They can't win without Trump's base and if the chips are down they will all come crawling back to trump with bended knees. Their best chance is Trump vs whomever and hope that Dems and progressives aren't enthusiastic enough to get record turnout again.
Disagree...they know he won't win
No R will win nationally without Trump's base. Why spend any money on a presidential candidate if they are all losers. Trump isn't gonna get behind anyone else and will take his 30% and go home. Rs like to win they aren't stupid enough to pretend to have morals when it comes to Trump if it means national elections. They will talk big now, but come 24 they will be groveling for his support and the votes of his base.
to regenerate....they know their base is dying.
If their base dies there will be no regeneration
Well apparently Sara Hucksterbee Sanders is the voice of the newly formed anti-woke GOP
nobody under age 30 is listening to her. nobody believes nonsense that everything is woke and that liberals are destroying everything. the gop message is absolutely not connecting with young voters. young voters rejected them in 2020 and 2022, and they are not making any traction with young voters at this time either.
At least anecdotally, the response from the GOP is to raise the voting age, repeal the 19th, repeal the 15th and allow only landowners to vote.
That last one always comes with the phrase that only people "with skin in the game" should be voting. Yeah, non-landowners that are going to die in prison for spitting on the street (or whatever ridiculous laws the overlords will come up with) don't have skin in the game...
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If Trump runs and takes away enough votes from any other Republican to have a plurality, they will all get behind him and the money will come rushing in. The Koch's etc have no moral compass and they will have zero problems funneling all of their money to Trump if his base follows him. They can't win without Trump's base and if the chips are down they will all come crawling back to trump with bended knees. Their best chance is Trump vs whomever and hope that Dems and progressives aren't enthusiastic enough to get record turnout again.
Disagree...they know he won't win
No R will win nationally without Trump's base. Why spend any money on a presidential candidate if they are all losers. Trump isn't gonna get behind anyone else and will take his 30% and go home. Rs like to win they aren't stupid enough to pretend to have morals when it comes to Trump if it means national elections. They will talk big now, but come 24 they will be groveling for his support and the votes of his base.
to regenerate....they know their base is dying.
If their base dies there will be no regeneration
Well apparently Sara Hucksterbee Sanders is the voice of the newly formed anti-woke GOP
nobody under age 30 is listening to her. nobody believes nonsense that everything is woke and that liberals are destroying everything. the gop message is absolutely not connecting with young voters. young voters rejected them in 2020 and 2022, and they are not making any traction with young voters at this time either.
At least anecdotally, the response from the GOP is to raise the voting age, repeal the 19th, repeal the 15th and allow only landowners to vote.
That last one always comes with the phrase that only people "with skin in the game" should be voting. Yeah, non-landowners that are going to die in prison for spitting on the street (or whatever ridiculous laws the overlords will come up with) don't have skin in the game...
if we pay taxes and we are american citizens we have skin in the game.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway
What it means for Pence to fight his subpoena — politically and legally By Aaron Blake February 14, 2023 at 15:00 ET On the afternoon of Jan. 6, 2021, President Donald Trump went after Vice President Mike Pence for refusing to go along with his plot to overturn the 2020 election. He did so even after, according to witnesses, Trump was made aware of the unrest at the Capitol, where some of the rioters chanted, “Hang Mike Pence.” And Trump’s singling him out wound up diminishing whatever chance Pence might ever have of becoming president, by turning the GOP base against him — an effect that registered almost immediately. As for those hoping Pence will answer investigators’ questions about all that? Apparently they’ll have to keep waiting: Pence will resist a grand jury subpoena, issued as part of special counsel Jack Smith’s investigation into Trump’s actions vis-a-vis Jan. 6. (Politico’s Kyle Cheney and Josh Gerstein broke the news Tuesday.) Pence will reportedly argue that the speech or debate clause of the Constitution makes him immune from testifying. The idea is effectively that Pence was serving a legislative function on Jan. 6 by presiding over the counting of electoral college votes in Congress. The courts have long protected legislators from having to testify or provide information to the executive branch, which includes the Justice Department. The decision is a very big one both politically and legally. Politically speaking, Pence is hardly the first Trump ally or GOP elected official to resist a subpoena. (Stephen K. Bannon was ultimately sentenced to four months in prison for contempt of Congress, for refusing to cooperate with the House Jan. 6 committee.) Everyone who has faced testifying against Trump knows it comes with the prospect of a barrage of Trump attacks and may alienate the GOP base.
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Judge rejected Perry’s bid to shield thousands of emails from Jan. 6 investigators
The Pennsylvanian lawmaker's phone was seized and imaged by the FBI as part of the 2020 election investigation.
Rep. Scott Perry, a Republican lawmaker from Pennsylvania, had urged
Howell to block the Justice Department from accessing 2,219 documents
stored on his phone. | Kevin Dietsch/Getty Images
The chief judge of the federal
district court in Washington, D.C., secretly rejected Rep. Scott Perry’s
bid to shield more than 2,000 messages relevant to Justice Department
investigators probing efforts by Donald Trump to subvert the 2020
election, according to newly unsealed court filings.
U.S. District Court Chief Judge Beryl Howell unsealed her extraordinary Dec. 28 decision on Friday evening, determining that the “powerful public interest” in seeing the previously secret opinion outweighed the need for continued secrecy.
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As 2024 race begins, special counsel advances with focus on Trump lawyers By Jacqueline Alemany, Josh Dawsey, Spencer S. Hsu and Devlin Barrett March 03, 2023 at 14:30 ET Federal prosecutors investigating efforts to overturn the 2020 election have asked witnesses extensive questions about the actions of Rudy Giuliani, a lawyer for former president Donald Trump — including where he got his information about alleged fraud, what he did in the days around Jan. 6, 2021, and what he knew about the actions coming that day, people who have appeared in front of the grand jury say. Investigators looking into classified documents taken to Mar-a-Lago, Trump’s Florida home and private club, have sought to force testimony from another Trump lawyer, Evan Corcoran, by saying there is evidence that the former president used the attorney’s legal services in furtherance of a crime. And prosecutors have repeatedly sought information on the actions of yet another Trump lawyer, Boris Epshteyn, in connection with both classified documents and Trump’s false electors scheme, three people said. They have quizzed multiple Trump attorneys involved with the documents case, including Christina Bobb, Alina Habba and Jesse Binnall, according to the people familiar with the investigation, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss it. The investigative activity highlights one of the ways in which the Trump probes are unusual and complex — turning some of his many current or former attorneys into witnesses or potential investigative targets. A Trump spokesman said the legal strategy was a sign of weakness in the case against the former president. The probes are led by special counsel Jack Smith, who was appointed by Attorney General Merrick Garland to insulate the work from political influence. Smith’s pace appears to be quickening as the 2024 presidential election starts to take shape, with Trump once again a candidate and President Biden — Garland’s boss — poised to seek a second term. Trump so far has two declared Republican opponents. Legal experts say that if Smith brings criminal charges against Trump, those charges would likely be pending when the GOP primary debates begin in August. [How Jack Smith charged Kosovo's president and blew up a Trump meeting] In recent weeks, the special counsel has issued a flurry of grand jury subpoenas to high-profile witnesses, including former vice president Mike Pence and former chief of staff Mark Meadows. Smith has also imposed strict deadlines for responses in what may be a push to reach internal charging decisions this spring, people familiar with the investigations said. Some of the requests for information, including of Corcoran, have triggered closed-door legal battles that could significantly complicate that time frame.
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If tRump has a defense it is his reliance on attorneys. He might be able to wiggle his way out by claiming ignorance (which he is clearly a fucking moron) but his attorneys won't get that luxury.
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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If tRump has a defense it is his reliance on attorneys. He might be able to wiggle his way out by claiming ignorance (which he is clearly a fucking moron) but his attorneys won't get that luxury.
can you claim ignorance given his history using the courts?
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If tRump has a defense it is his reliance on attorneys. He might be able to wiggle his way out by claiming ignorance (which he is clearly a fucking moron) but his attorneys won't get that luxury.
can you claim ignorance given his history using the courts?
I think so...but he would have to admit to relying on Sydney Powell
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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If tRump has a defense it is his reliance on attorneys. He might be able to wiggle his way out by claiming ignorance (which he is clearly a fucking moron) but his attorneys won't get that luxury.
can you claim ignorance given his history using the courts?
I think so...but he would have to admit to relying on Sydney Powell
ok. framed another way.
can your claim of ignorance be believed given your history using the courts.
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all these never trumpers or people who say we have to move on from trump will have to grovel at his feet for support. he is the kind of person that would not give an endorsement simply out of spite.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley #1, Wrigley #2, Boston #1, Boston #2
2020: Oakland1, Oakland2: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland1, Oakland2, Nashville, Louisville
That last one always comes with the phrase that only people "with skin in the game" should be voting. Yeah, non-landowners that are going to die in prison for spitting on the street (or whatever ridiculous laws the overlords will come up with) don't have skin in the game...
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
By Aaron Blake
February 14, 2023 at 15:00 ET
On the afternoon of Jan. 6, 2021, President Donald Trump went after Vice President Mike Pence for refusing to go along with his plot to overturn the 2020 election. He did so even after, according to witnesses, Trump was made aware of the unrest at the Capitol, where some of the rioters chanted, “Hang Mike Pence.” And Trump’s singling him out wound up diminishing whatever chance Pence might ever have of becoming president, by turning the GOP base against him — an effect that registered almost immediately.
As for those hoping Pence will answer investigators’ questions about all that? Apparently they’ll have to keep waiting: Pence will resist a grand jury subpoena, issued as part of special counsel Jack Smith’s investigation into Trump’s actions vis-a-vis Jan. 6. (Politico’s Kyle Cheney and Josh Gerstein broke the news Tuesday.)
Pence will reportedly argue that the speech or debate clause of the Constitution makes him immune from testifying. The idea is effectively that Pence was serving a legislative function on Jan. 6 by presiding over the counting of electoral college votes in Congress. The courts have long protected legislators from having to testify or provide information to the executive branch, which includes the Justice Department.
The decision is a very big one both politically and legally.
Politically speaking, Pence is hardly the first Trump ally or GOP elected official to resist a subpoena. (Stephen K. Bannon was ultimately sentenced to four months in prison for contempt of Congress, for refusing to cooperate with the House Jan. 6 committee.) Everyone who has faced testifying against Trump knows it comes with the prospect of a barrage of Trump attacks and may alienate the GOP base.
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Judge rejected Perry’s bid to shield thousands of emails from Jan. 6 investigators
The Pennsylvanian lawmaker's phone was seized and imaged by the FBI as part of the 2020 election investigation.
Rep. Scott Perry, a Republican lawmaker from Pennsylvania, had urged Howell to block the Justice Department from accessing 2,219 documents stored on his phone. | Kevin Dietsch/Getty Images
By Kyle Cheney and Josh Gerstein
02/24/2023 10:29 PM EST
The chief judge of the federal district court in Washington, D.C., secretly rejected Rep. Scott Perry’s bid to shield more than 2,000 messages relevant to Justice Department investigators probing efforts by Donald Trump to subvert the 2020 election, according to newly unsealed court filings.
U.S. District Court Chief Judge Beryl Howell unsealed her extraordinary Dec. 28 decision on Friday evening, determining that the “powerful public interest” in seeing the previously secret opinion outweighed the need for continued secrecy.
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By Jacqueline Alemany, Josh Dawsey, Spencer S. Hsu and Devlin Barrett
March 03, 2023 at 14:30 ET
Federal prosecutors investigating efforts to overturn the 2020 election have asked witnesses extensive questions about the actions of Rudy Giuliani, a lawyer for former president Donald Trump — including where he got his information about alleged fraud, what he did in the days around Jan. 6, 2021, and what he knew about the actions coming that day, people who have appeared in front of the grand jury say.
Investigators looking into classified documents taken to Mar-a-Lago, Trump’s Florida home and private club, have sought to force testimony from another Trump lawyer, Evan Corcoran, by saying there is evidence that the former president used the attorney’s legal services in furtherance of a crime.
And prosecutors have repeatedly sought information on the actions of yet another Trump lawyer, Boris Epshteyn, in connection with both classified documents and Trump’s false electors scheme, three people said. They have quizzed multiple Trump attorneys involved with the documents case, including Christina Bobb, Alina Habba and Jesse Binnall, according to the people familiar with the investigation, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss it.
The investigative activity highlights one of the ways in which the Trump probes are unusual and complex — turning some of his many current or former attorneys into witnesses or potential investigative targets. A Trump spokesman said the legal strategy was a sign of weakness in the case against the former president.
The probes are led by special counsel Jack Smith, who was appointed by Attorney General Merrick Garland to insulate the work from political influence. Smith’s pace appears to be quickening as the 2024 presidential election starts to take shape, with Trump once again a candidate and President Biden — Garland’s boss — poised to seek a second term. Trump so far has two declared Republican opponents. Legal experts say that if Smith brings criminal charges against Trump, those charges would likely be pending when the GOP primary debates begin in August.
[How Jack Smith charged Kosovo's president and blew up a Trump meeting]
In recent weeks, the special counsel has issued a flurry of grand jury subpoenas to high-profile witnesses, including former vice president Mike Pence and former chief of staff Mark Meadows. Smith has also imposed strict deadlines for responses in what may be a push to reach internal charging decisions this spring, people familiar with the investigations said. Some of the requests for information, including of Corcoran, have triggered closed-door legal battles that could significantly complicate that time frame.
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2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
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2020: Oakland1, Oakland2: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland1, Oakland2, Nashville, Louisville
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another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley #1, Wrigley #2, Boston #1, Boston #2
2020: Oakland1, Oakland2: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland1, Oakland2, Nashville, Louisville
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