mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

AW124797 said:

Go Beavers said:

AW124797 said:

Go Beavers said:

AW124797 said:

Go Beavers said:

AW124797 said:

Go Beavers said:

AW124797 said:

I don't recall mandatory plane travel for grocery shoppers. 

I don’t recall anyone who was anti-mandates being able to present accurate information about the vaccine and Covid itself. 

I do recall your very recent statement that covid vaccine stops transmission. Accurate? 

Bad recall. I said it reduces the likelihood of transmission. 

What’s the Pfizer statement say, by the way. 

True. Reduces transmission by 0.00000389%. 

What was I saying about anti-mandate people not being able to grasp facts about the vaccine? They have no credibility and most are trying to revise their history. 

I'd censor them. Vaccine hesitancy leads to low sales. 

You’re basically trolling to see who will fit into your caricature of what you think a pro-vaccine person is. Good luck with that. 

Trolling? Plenty of sarcasm and irony on both sides. 

Hey AW, I give you credit sticking around liberalland, however, the right’s views on the vax and Covid in general are dead wrong, deadly dangerous and the below chart says it all. It compares the US life expectancy to other countries, and the US life expectancy has fallen to where it was in 1996, while most other countries experienced a smaller reduction during the pandemic but also an increase after the decline. Only the US has no such increase. For a wealthy country with among  the most advanced healthcare , we are not doing a good job staying alive lately.

From 2020 to 2021, life expectancy continued to decline in the U.S. while rebounding in most comparable countries

This is because MS-13 has invaded the country and are killing hundreds of people a day.  You just don't hear about it on the liberal news. 

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

AW124797 said:

Go Beavers said:

AW124797 said:

Go Beavers said:

AW124797 said:

Go Beavers said:

AW124797 said:

Go Beavers said:

AW124797 said:

I don't recall mandatory plane travel for grocery shoppers. 

I don’t recall anyone who was anti-mandates being able to present accurate information about the vaccine and Covid itself. 

I do recall your very recent statement that covid vaccine stops transmission. Accurate? 

Bad recall. I said it reduces the likelihood of transmission. 

What’s the Pfizer statement say, by the way. 

True. Reduces transmission by 0.00000389%. 

What was I saying about anti-mandate people not being able to grasp facts about the vaccine? They have no credibility and most are trying to revise their history. 

I'd censor them. Vaccine hesitancy leads to low sales. 

You’re basically trolling to see who will fit into your caricature of what you think a pro-vaccine person is. Good luck with that. 

Trolling? Plenty of sarcasm and irony on both sides. 

Hey AW, I give you credit sticking around liberalland, however, the right’s views on the vax and Covid in general are dead wrong, deadly dangerous and the below chart says it all. It compares the US life expectancy to other countries, and the US life expectancy has fallen to where it was in 1996, while most other countries experienced a smaller reduction during the pandemic but also an increase after the decline. Only the US has no such increase. For a wealthy country with among  the most advanced healthcare , we are not doing a good job staying alive lately.

From 2020 to 2021, life expectancy continued to decline in the U.S. while rebounding in most comparable countries

This is because MS-13 has invaded the country and are killing hundreds of people a day.  You just don't hear about it on the liberal news. 

Lerxst1992 said:

AW124797 said:

Go Beavers said:

AW124797 said:

Go Beavers said:

AW124797 said:

Go Beavers said:

AW124797 said:

Go Beavers said:

AW124797 said:

I don't recall mandatory plane travel for grocery shoppers. 

I don’t recall anyone who was anti-mandates being able to present accurate information about the vaccine and Covid itself. 

I do recall your very recent statement that covid vaccine stops transmission. Accurate? 

Bad recall. I said it reduces the likelihood of transmission. 

What’s the Pfizer statement say, by the way. 

True. Reduces transmission by 0.00000389%. 

What was I saying about anti-mandate people not being able to grasp facts about the vaccine? They have no credibility and most are trying to revise their history. 

I'd censor them. Vaccine hesitancy leads to low sales. 

You’re basically trolling to see who will fit into your caricature of what you think a pro-vaccine person is. Good luck with that. 

Trolling? Plenty of sarcasm and irony on both sides. 

Hey AW, I give you credit sticking around liberalland, however, the right’s views on the vax and Covid in general are dead wrong, deadly dangerous and the below chart says it all. It compares the US life expectancy to other countries, and the US life expectancy has fallen to where it was in 1996, while most other countries experienced a smaller reduction during the pandemic but also an increase after the decline. Only the US has no such increase. For a wealthy country with among  the most advanced healthcare , we are not doing a good job staying alive lately.

From 2020 to 2021, life expectancy continued to decline in the U.S. while rebounding in most comparable countries

Gern Blansten said:

AW124797 said:

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

AW124797 said:

brianlux said:

I'm concerned that lifting restrictions has given a lot of people cause to lower their common sense precautions regarding the virus.  I think a lot of people seem to equate lowering restrictions with meaning the virus is gone.  But of course we know it is not and it is still spreading.  I am one of the very few people I see out in public (post office, grocery store, etc.) who still wears a mask.  It's amazing to me that the vast majority of people don't seem to be concerned about COVID any more.  That attitude is driving me further and further into isolation.  For me, too many people are problematic and dangerous.

What do you mean by too many people are problematic and dangerous? 

Too many people don't cover their mouths when they cough, don't practice common sense hygiene, are not not considerate around older people like myself who can't afford to get COVID, let alone the flu.

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

I'm concerned that lifting restrictions has given a lot of people cause to lower their common sense precautions regarding the virus.  I think a lot of people seem to equate lowering restrictions with meaning the virus is gone.  But of course we know it is not and it is still spreading.  I am one of the very few people I see out in public (post office, grocery store, etc.) who still wears a mask.  It's amazing to me that the vast majority of people don't seem to be concerned about COVID any more.  That attitude is driving me further and further into isolation.  For me, too many people are problematic and dangerous.

I don't see many people with masks but definitely a handful. It's odd to me that people are so triggered by masks. Maybe you're protecting us? My doctor's office still requires them.

One thing that is kind of irritating is seeing "Masks are mandatory" signs up on the doors of restaurants, etc., and you go in and no one is wearing a mask. IF you don't mean it take the fucking thing down.

Yeah, I don't know why people are triggered by masks.  Deep seated guilt maybe?  But more likely an "it's my right" attitude.  Maybe it is their right.  It's also their right to be hemorrhoids , which is also often the case. 

As for protecting, I'd say both, although probably more myself because I am more careful than most people I see in public (which I do as seldom as possible).  It may not be great protection, but it can't hurt and I'll take any precaution I can to stay well and alive. I won't live forever and I'm not obsessively afraid of death, but I really don't want to waste away from some frickin' damn disease! 

The triggering all comes from right wing media. They used to yammer on about seeing people in their cars wearing masks and how stupid liberals must be for doing that.

Left wing media should help these poor people and cover a story on driving alone in your car with a mask on. It's imbecilic. Doesn't get any worse. I'm on Long Island. I see it every day. 

Agreed...they should also do stories on people that wear their coats and/or gloves in the car.

Please focus on something intelligent.

Lerxst1992 said:

AW124797 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

AW124797 said:

Go Beavers said:

AW124797 said:

Go Beavers said:

AW124797 said:

Go Beavers said:

AW124797 said:

Go Beavers said:

AW124797 said:

I don't recall mandatory plane travel for grocery shoppers. 

I don’t recall anyone who was anti-mandates being able to present accurate information about the vaccine and Covid itself. 

I do recall your very recent statement that covid vaccine stops transmission. Accurate? 

Bad recall. I said it reduces the likelihood of transmission. 

What’s the Pfizer statement say, by the way. 

True. Reduces transmission by 0.00000389%. 

What was I saying about anti-mandate people not being able to grasp facts about the vaccine? They have no credibility and most are trying to revise their history. 

I'd censor them. Vaccine hesitancy leads to low sales. 

You’re basically trolling to see who will fit into your caricature of what you think a pro-vaccine person is. Good luck with that. 

Trolling? Plenty of sarcasm and irony on both sides. 

Hey AW, I give you credit sticking around liberalland, however, the right’s views on the vax and Covid in general are dead wrong, deadly dangerous and the below chart says it all. It compares the US life expectancy to other countries, and the US life expectancy has fallen to where it was in 1996, while most other countries experienced a smaller reduction during the pandemic but also an increase after the decline. Only the US has no such increase. For a wealthy country with among  the most advanced healthcare , we are not doing a good job staying alive lately.

From 2020 to 2021, life expectancy continued to decline in the U.S. while rebounding in most comparable countries

I'm not surprised by this chart. Every summer I host visitors from Europe. They are always amazed how obese new yorkers are. It's a major problem if you add covid to it. Media doesn't cover that enough.  

Cmon bro, I give you credit for sticking around but please, healthy from 1980 to 2019 where our lifespans increase then fell off a cliff gorging at Mickey Ds in 2020? While the rest of the wealthy world bounced back?

Or did something happen circa 2020-2022 impacting the US with huge part of its population being anti healthcare, anti precaution and anti vax?

This is like that Jim Jordan video last week w Chucky Todd  , he knew he was lying about the trump/ Biden archive comparison, so he was forced to laugh about it. 

Yknow AW, sometimes believing in lies becomes deadly. Forget what lies Marge told you, Trump killed Ashli, even your Speaker knows that.

brianlux said:

AW124797 said:

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

AW124797 said:

brianlux said:

I'm concerned that lifting restrictions has given a lot of people cause to lower their common sense precautions regarding the virus.  I think a lot of people seem to equate lowering restrictions with meaning the virus is gone.  But of course we know it is not and it is still spreading.  I am one of the very few people I see out in public (post office, grocery store, etc.) who still wears a mask.  It's amazing to me that the vast majority of people don't seem to be concerned about COVID any more.  That attitude is driving me further and further into isolation.  For me, too many people are problematic and dangerous.

What do you mean by too many people are problematic and dangerous? 

Too many people don't cover their mouths when they cough, don't practice common sense hygiene, are not not considerate around older people like myself who can't afford to get COVID, let alone the flu.

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

I'm concerned that lifting restrictions has given a lot of people cause to lower their common sense precautions regarding the virus.  I think a lot of people seem to equate lowering restrictions with meaning the virus is gone.  But of course we know it is not and it is still spreading.  I am one of the very few people I see out in public (post office, grocery store, etc.) who still wears a mask.  It's amazing to me that the vast majority of people don't seem to be concerned about COVID any more.  That attitude is driving me further and further into isolation.  For me, too many people are problematic and dangerous.

I don't see many people with masks but definitely a handful. It's odd to me that people are so triggered by masks. Maybe you're protecting us? My doctor's office still requires them.

One thing that is kind of irritating is seeing "Masks are mandatory" signs up on the doors of restaurants, etc., and you go in and no one is wearing a mask. IF you don't mean it take the fucking thing down.

Yeah, I don't know why people are triggered by masks.  Deep seated guilt maybe?  But more likely an "it's my right" attitude.  Maybe it is their right.  It's also their right to be hemorrhoids , which is also often the case. 

As for protecting, I'd say both, although probably more myself because I am more careful than most people I see in public (which I do as seldom as possible).  It may not be great protection, but it can't hurt and I'll take any precaution I can to stay well and alive. I won't live forever and I'm not obsessively afraid of death, but I really don't want to waste away from some frickin' damn disease! 

The triggering all comes from right wing media. They used to yammer on about seeing people in their cars wearing masks and how stupid liberals must be for doing that.

Left wing media should help these poor people and cover a story on driving alone in your car with a mask on. It's imbecilic. Doesn't get any worse. I'm on Long Island. I see it every day. 

You have a problem with strangers wearing a mask while driving a car?  And to you nothing is worse than that, right? You're kidding, right? 

No need to answer.  They're just rhetorical questions for your amusement  ( the prefix "a" meaning not, followed by the root "muse" derived from the Greek "to think".)

AW124797 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

AW124797 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

AW124797 said:

Go Beavers said:

AW124797 said:

Go Beavers said:

AW124797 said:

Go Beavers said:

AW124797 said:

Go Beavers said:

AW124797 said:

I don't recall mandatory plane travel for grocery shoppers. 

I don’t recall anyone who was anti-mandates being able to present accurate information about the vaccine and Covid itself. 

I do recall your very recent statement that covid vaccine stops transmission. Accurate? 

Bad recall. I said it reduces the likelihood of transmission. 

What’s the Pfizer statement say, by the way. 

True. Reduces transmission by 0.00000389%. 

What was I saying about anti-mandate people not being able to grasp facts about the vaccine? They have no credibility and most are trying to revise their history. 

I'd censor them. Vaccine hesitancy leads to low sales. 

You’re basically trolling to see who will fit into your caricature of what you think a pro-vaccine person is. Good luck with that. 

Trolling? Plenty of sarcasm and irony on both sides. 

Hey AW, I give you credit sticking around liberalland, however, the right’s views on the vax and Covid in general are dead wrong, deadly dangerous and the below chart says it all. It compares the US life expectancy to other countries, and the US life expectancy has fallen to where it was in 1996, while most other countries experienced a smaller reduction during the pandemic but also an increase after the decline. Only the US has no such increase. For a wealthy country with among  the most advanced healthcare , we are not doing a good job staying alive lately.

From 2020 to 2021, life expectancy continued to decline in the U.S. while rebounding in most comparable countries

I'm not surprised by this chart. Every summer I host visitors from Europe. They are always amazed how obese new yorkers are. It's a major problem if you add covid to it. Media doesn't cover that enough.  

Cmon bro, I give you credit for sticking around but please, healthy from 1980 to 2019 where our lifespans increase then fell off a cliff gorging at Mickey Ds in 2020? While the rest of the wealthy world bounced back?

Or did something happen circa 2020-2022 impacting the US with huge part of its population being anti healthcare, anti precaution and anti vax?

This is like that Jim Jordan video last week w Chucky Todd  , he knew he was lying about the trump/ Biden archive comparison, so he was forced to laugh about it. 

Yknow AW, sometimes believing in lies becomes deadly. Forget what lies Marge told you, Trump killed Ashli, even your Speaker knows that.

Why would you assume other wealthy nations don't have covid antivaxers? We're on par with everybody else in covid vaccinations. Look at GB. They dropped masks and mandates well before the US. Also, I have no idea who Marge, Ashli or Jim Jordan are. Again, no idea how I got labeled as a Trump supporter, but it's very interesting how everybody is brining it up in their arguments. 

23scidoo said:

AW124797 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

AW124797 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

AW124797 said:

Go Beavers said:

AW124797 said:

Go Beavers said:

AW124797 said:

Go Beavers said:

AW124797 said:

Go Beavers said:

AW124797 said:

I don't recall mandatory plane travel for grocery shoppers. 

I don’t recall anyone who was anti-mandates being able to present accurate information about the vaccine and Covid itself. 

I do recall your very recent statement that covid vaccine stops transmission. Accurate? 

Bad recall. I said it reduces the likelihood of transmission. 

What’s the Pfizer statement say, by the way. 

True. Reduces transmission by 0.00000389%. 

What was I saying about anti-mandate people not being able to grasp facts about the vaccine? They have no credibility and most are trying to revise their history. 

I'd censor them. Vaccine hesitancy leads to low sales. 

You’re basically trolling to see who will fit into your caricature of what you think a pro-vaccine person is. Good luck with that. 

Trolling? Plenty of sarcasm and irony on both sides. 

Hey AW, I give you credit sticking around liberalland, however, the right’s views on the vax and Covid in general are dead wrong, deadly dangerous and the below chart says it all. It compares the US life expectancy to other countries, and the US life expectancy has fallen to where it was in 1996, while most other countries experienced a smaller reduction during the pandemic but also an increase after the decline. Only the US has no such increase. For a wealthy country with among  the most advanced healthcare , we are not doing a good job staying alive lately.

From 2020 to 2021, life expectancy continued to decline in the U.S. while rebounding in most comparable countries

I'm not surprised by this chart. Every summer I host visitors from Europe. They are always amazed how obese new yorkers are. It's a major problem if you add covid to it. Media doesn't cover that enough.  

Cmon bro, I give you credit for sticking around but please, healthy from 1980 to 2019 where our lifespans increase then fell off a cliff gorging at Mickey Ds in 2020? While the rest of the wealthy world bounced back?

Or did something happen circa 2020-2022 impacting the US with huge part of its population being anti healthcare, anti precaution and anti vax?

This is like that Jim Jordan video last week w Chucky Todd  , he knew he was lying about the trump/ Biden archive comparison, so he was forced to laugh about it. 

Yknow AW, sometimes believing in lies becomes deadly. Forget what lies Marge told you, Trump killed Ashli, even your Speaker knows that.

Why would you assume other wealthy nations don't have covid antivaxers? We're on par with everybody else in covid vaccinations. Look at GB. They dropped masks and mandates well before the US. Also, I have no idea who Marge, Ashli or Jim Jordan are. Again, no idea how I got labeled as a Trump supporter, but it's very interesting how everybody is brining it up in their arguments. 

Τrump it's their obsession..

“Yes, the COVID-19 vaccines have been shown to reduce mortality and severe illness caused by the virus. Clinical trials have demonstrated that the vaccines are effective at preventing COVID-19 infection, as well as reducing hospitalizations and deaths due to the disease. Real-world studies have also confirmed the vaccines' effectiveness in reducing COVID-19 mortality.

It's important to note that the vaccines were only widely distributed starting in late 2020 and early 2021, so the full impact on reducing COVID-19 mortality will become clearer as more data becomes available over time. Nevertheless, the vaccines have already had a significant impact on reducing the number of COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations, and deaths.”