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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,064
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    I’m running a pioneer ax-750 with a u-turn orbit and the u-turn preamp and have been since 2016. Today I replaced the drive belt and swapped out the Ortofon OM5E for a Grado Black 3.  It’s like I have a new damn stereo.  Amazing clarity and the bass is phenomenal.  My first time replacing a cartridge rather than just the needle. Total pain in the ass. Lining up tiny screws, setting the needle to the correct length with a compass and then adjusting the tracking force.  Totally worth it.  I’m christening it with The Doors first album and it’s really like hearing it for the first time again.
    Congrats!  It should only get better as it breaks in!
    Thanks.  I always thought high end cartridges were bs.  Tried out an upgrade because my daughter bent the stylus on the ortofon. My eyes have been opened.  I doubt I will go as crazy as some but I’m happy for this upgrade.
    My first upgrade was after my son snapped a needle somehow as well.  

    I think there's big room for improvement from entry level to "mid fi".  After that,  it still gets better with each upgrade,  but it's the law of diminishing returns. 
    I like mid-fi.  Its not crap, it's not the greatest, but it's pretty damn good.
    Scio me nihil scire

    There are no kings inside the gates of eden
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    I’m running a pioneer ax-750 with a u-turn orbit and the u-turn preamp and have been since 2016. Today I replaced the drive belt and swapped out the Ortofon OM5E for a Grado Black 3.  It’s like I have a new damn stereo.  Amazing clarity and the bass is phenomenal.  My first time replacing a cartridge rather than just the needle. Total pain in the ass. Lining up tiny screws, setting the needle to the correct length with a compass and then adjusting the tracking force.  Totally worth it.  I’m christening it with The Doors first album and it’s really like hearing it for the first time again.
    Congrats!  It should only get better as it breaks in!
    Thanks.  I always thought high end cartridges were bs.  Tried out an upgrade because my daughter bent the stylus on the ortofon. My eyes have been opened.  I doubt I will go as crazy as some but I’m happy for this upgrade.
    My first upgrade was after my son snapped a needle somehow as well.  

    I think there's big room for improvement from entry level to "mid fi".  After that,  it still gets better with each upgrade,  but it's the law of diminishing returns. 
    I like mid-fi.  Its not crap, it's not the greatest, but it's pretty damn good.
    That's exactly right
  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,159
    static111 said:
    I’m running a pioneer ax-750 with a u-turn orbit and the u-turn preamp and have been since 2016. Today I replaced the drive belt and swapped out the Ortofon OM5E for a Grado Black 3.  It’s like I have a new damn stereo.  Amazing clarity and the bass is phenomenal.  My first time replacing a cartridge rather than just the needle. Total pain in the ass. Lining up tiny screws, setting the needle to the correct length with a compass and then adjusting the tracking force.  Totally worth it.  I’m christening it with The Doors first album and it’s really like hearing it for the first time again.
    Good for you, man! Proper setup is absolutely critical if you want the best sound possible and you don't want to damage your records.

    Changing carts CAN be a pain in the ass, especially on a 1-piece tonearm. Having removable headshells makes it a lot easier. 

    Tonight, I am in the process of setting up and aligning four different cartridges for my Dual 1019. Since it has removable sleds that the cartridges mount to, I can do all the tedious stuff away from the turntable. 

    After they are mounted and aligned, I'll be able to swap between cartridges in next to no time at all.

    Also, glad to hear that the Grado is working out for you. They make some pretty impressive stuff!
    If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
  • Anyone here do a Stylus change on a Project debut carbon?
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Anyone here do a Stylus change on a Project debut carbon?

    Why do you want to change the stylus rather than the whole headshell?  Are you really just removing the stylus?
  • mrussel1 said:
    Anyone here do a Stylus change on a Project debut carbon?

    Why do you want to change the stylus rather than the whole headshell?  Are you really just removing the stylus?
     I never heard it called that.  Learn something new every day. Heard Stylus, Cartridge and needle but never headshell.  I googled it.  Seems pretty easy.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    mrussel1 said:
    Anyone here do a Stylus change on a Project debut carbon?

    Why do you want to change the stylus rather than the whole headshell?  Are you really just removing the stylus?
     I never heard it called that.  Learn something new every day. Heard Stylus, Cartridge and needle but never headshell.  I googled it.  Seems pretty easy.
    Yes, now I was reading into something you didn't say so correct me.  Are you switching from one Orto to another?  Those typically came with the red, so that's why I'm asking.  If you are upgrading from red to blue, or just replacing teh red, it should be a very easy swap.  And I think that's limited to the cartridge itself.  If you are going from a Red/Blue to the Orange/Black, then I think you have to change the headshell so it's a little more complex.  
  • mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Anyone here do a Stylus change on a Project debut carbon?

    Why do you want to change the stylus rather than the whole headshell?  Are you really just removing the stylus?
     I never heard it called that.  Learn something new every day. Heard Stylus, Cartridge and needle but never headshell.  I googled it.  Seems pretty easy.
    Yes, now I was reading into something you didn't say so correct me.  Are you switching from one Orto to another?  Those typically came with the red, so that's why I'm asking.  If you are upgrading from red to blue, or just replacing teh red, it should be a very easy swap.  And I think that's limited to the cartridge itself.  If you are going from a Red/Blue to the Orange/Black, then I think you have to change the headshell so it's a little more complex.  
    I was just going to go from red to blue.  If I can hear a distinct difference then i'd do a bigger replacement next.  That I looked up too and it is a bit of more work but one day.  By that time I might upgrade the TT instead.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Anyone here do a Stylus change on a Project debut carbon?

    Why do you want to change the stylus rather than the whole headshell?  Are you really just removing the stylus?
     I never heard it called that.  Learn something new every day. Heard Stylus, Cartridge and needle but never headshell.  I googled it.  Seems pretty easy.
    Yes, now I was reading into something you didn't say so correct me.  Are you switching from one Orto to another?  Those typically came with the red, so that's why I'm asking.  If you are upgrading from red to blue, or just replacing teh red, it should be a very easy swap.  And I think that's limited to the cartridge itself.  If you are going from a Red/Blue to the Orange/Black, then I think you have to change the headshell so it's a little more complex.  
    I was just going to go from red to blue.  If I can hear a distinct difference then i'd do a bigger replacement next.  That I looked up too and it is a bit of more work but one day.  By that time I might upgrade the TT instead.
    Ok all you need is to buy the blue cartridge and replace the red on the existing head shell.  It's two minutes and doesn't require alignment or messing with the azimuth. And once it breaks in,  you should hear an improvement. 
  • eddiec
    eddiec Posts: 3,959
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Anyone here do a Stylus change on a Project debut carbon?

    Why do you want to change the stylus rather than the whole headshell?  Are you really just removing the stylus?
     I never heard it called that.  Learn something new every day. Heard Stylus, Cartridge and needle but never headshell.  I googled it.  Seems pretty easy.
    Yes, now I was reading into something you didn't say so correct me.  Are you switching from one Orto to another?  Those typically came with the red, so that's why I'm asking.  If you are upgrading from red to blue, or just replacing teh red, it should be a very easy swap.  And I think that's limited to the cartridge itself.  If you are going from a Red/Blue to the Orange/Black, then I think you have to change the headshell so it's a little more complex.  
    I was just going to go from red to blue.  If I can hear a distinct difference then i'd do a bigger replacement next.  That I looked up too and it is a bit of more work but one day.  By that time I might upgrade the TT instead.
    Ok all you need is to buy the blue cartridge and replace the red on the existing head shell.  It's two minutes and doesn't require alignment or messing with the azimuth. And once it breaks in,  you should hear an improvement. 
    Aren't the red and blue cartridges the same? Only difference being the stylus?
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    eddiec said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Anyone here do a Stylus change on a Project debut carbon?

    Why do you want to change the stylus rather than the whole headshell?  Are you really just removing the stylus?
     I never heard it called that.  Learn something new every day. Heard Stylus, Cartridge and needle but never headshell.  I googled it.  Seems pretty easy.
    Yes, now I was reading into something you didn't say so correct me.  Are you switching from one Orto to another?  Those typically came with the red, so that's why I'm asking.  If you are upgrading from red to blue, or just replacing teh red, it should be a very easy swap.  And I think that's limited to the cartridge itself.  If you are going from a Red/Blue to the Orange/Black, then I think you have to change the headshell so it's a little more complex.  
    I was just going to go from red to blue.  If I can hear a distinct difference then i'd do a bigger replacement next.  That I looked up too and it is a bit of more work but one day.  By that time I might upgrade the TT instead.
    Ok all you need is to buy the blue cartridge and replace the red on the existing head shell.  It's two minutes and doesn't require alignment or messing with the azimuth. And once it breaks in,  you should hear an improvement. 
    Aren't the red and blue cartridges the same? Only difference being the stylus?
    Yes but the stylus is in the cart. I'm not sure you can buy the stylus only.  And if you could,  I don't know that you would want to pull out the old and put in the new. The way it's designed,  you just snap out the red and in with the blue. 
  • mrussel1 said:
    eddiec said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Anyone here do a Stylus change on a Project debut carbon?

    Why do you want to change the stylus rather than the whole headshell?  Are you really just removing the stylus?
     I never heard it called that.  Learn something new every day. Heard Stylus, Cartridge and needle but never headshell.  I googled it.  Seems pretty easy.
    Yes, now I was reading into something you didn't say so correct me.  Are you switching from one Orto to another?  Those typically came with the red, so that's why I'm asking.  If you are upgrading from red to blue, or just replacing teh red, it should be a very easy swap.  And I think that's limited to the cartridge itself.  If you are going from a Red/Blue to the Orange/Black, then I think you have to change the headshell so it's a little more complex.  
    I was just going to go from red to blue.  If I can hear a distinct difference then i'd do a bigger replacement next.  That I looked up too and it is a bit of more work but one day.  By that time I might upgrade the TT instead.
    Ok all you need is to buy the blue cartridge and replace the red on the existing head shell.  It's two minutes and doesn't require alignment or messing with the azimuth. And once it breaks in,  you should hear an improvement. 
    Aren't the red and blue cartridges the same? Only difference being the stylus?
    Yes but the stylus is in the cart. I'm not sure you can buy the stylus only.  And if you could,  I don't know that you would want to pull out the old and put in the new. The way it's designed,  you just snap out the red and in with the blue. 
    Older record players you actually swapped out the needles.  I don’t think any of the newer ones you do that with.
  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,159
    mrussel1 said:
    Anyone here do a Stylus change on a Project debut carbon?

    Why do you want to change the stylus rather than the whole headshell?  Are you really just removing the stylus?
     I never heard it called that.  Learn something new every day. Heard Stylus, Cartridge and needle but never headshell.  I googled it.  Seems pretty easy.
    Not to complicate anything but I don't think your turntable has a removable headshell. The cartridge bolts directly to the flattened end of the tonearm. 

    (Some tts allow you to simply remove the flattened part with the cart/stylus as 1 piece. That makes swapping cartridges super easy.)

    For the Red and Blue Ortofon carts, the cartridge body is the same. You can simply remove the stylus from your Red and replace it with a Blue stylus. You will need to check the tracking force for the new stylus to make sure it is dialed in to the manufacturer recommended tracking force. 
    If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,159
    mrussel1 said:
    eddiec said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Anyone here do a Stylus change on a Project debut carbon?

    Why do you want to change the stylus rather than the whole headshell?  Are you really just removing the stylus?
     I never heard it called that.  Learn something new every day. Heard Stylus, Cartridge and needle but never headshell.  I googled it.  Seems pretty easy.
    Yes, now I was reading into something you didn't say so correct me.  Are you switching from one Orto to another?  Those typically came with the red, so that's why I'm asking.  If you are upgrading from red to blue, or just replacing teh red, it should be a very easy swap.  And I think that's limited to the cartridge itself.  If you are going from a Red/Blue to the Orange/Black, then I think you have to change the headshell so it's a little more complex.  
    I was just going to go from red to blue.  If I can hear a distinct difference then i'd do a bigger replacement next.  That I looked up too and it is a bit of more work but one day.  By that time I might upgrade the TT instead.
    Ok all you need is to buy the blue cartridge and replace the red on the existing head shell.  It's two minutes and doesn't require alignment or messing with the azimuth. And once it breaks in,  you should hear an improvement. 
    Aren't the red and blue cartridges the same? Only difference being the stylus?
    Yes but the stylus is in the cart. I'm not sure you can buy the stylus only.  And if you could,  I don't know that you would want to pull out the old and put in the new. The way it's designed,  you just snap out the red and in with the blue. 
    Last time I checked, you can buy just the stylus but the cost is just about the same as buying the cart and stylus together. 

    Interestingly, those Ortofon bodies will also accept stylii from their "OM" line. They look a little funky but they are considerably cheaper than the OEM Red or Blue stylii.
    If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,159
    mrussel1 said:
    eddiec said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Anyone here do a Stylus change on a Project debut carbon?

    Why do you want to change the stylus rather than the whole headshell?  Are you really just removing the stylus?
     I never heard it called that.  Learn something new every day. Heard Stylus, Cartridge and needle but never headshell.  I googled it.  Seems pretty easy.
    Yes, now I was reading into something you didn't say so correct me.  Are you switching from one Orto to another?  Those typically came with the red, so that's why I'm asking.  If you are upgrading from red to blue, or just replacing teh red, it should be a very easy swap.  And I think that's limited to the cartridge itself.  If you are going from a Red/Blue to the Orange/Black, then I think you have to change the headshell so it's a little more complex.  
    I was just going to go from red to blue.  If I can hear a distinct difference then i'd do a bigger replacement next.  That I looked up too and it is a bit of more work but one day.  By that time I might upgrade the TT instead.
    Ok all you need is to buy the blue cartridge and replace the red on the existing head shell.  It's two minutes and doesn't require alignment or messing with the azimuth. And once it breaks in,  you should hear an improvement. 
    Aren't the red and blue cartridges the same? Only difference being the stylus?
    Yes but the stylus is in the cart. I'm not sure you can buy the stylus only.  And if you could,  I don't know that you would want to pull out the old and put in the new. The way it's designed,  you just snap out the red and in with the blue. 
    Older record players you actually swapped out the needles.  I don’t think any of the newer ones you do that with.
    Most of the modern MM (moving magnet) cartridges have user replaceable stylus assemblies. 

    MC (moving coil) maybe occasionally do but those are typically sent to the manufacturer or a third party for retipping once the stylus wears out. 
    If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
  • dudeman said:
    mrussel1 said:
    eddiec said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Anyone here do a Stylus change on a Project debut carbon?

    Why do you want to change the stylus rather than the whole headshell?  Are you really just removing the stylus?
     I never heard it called that.  Learn something new every day. Heard Stylus, Cartridge and needle but never headshell.  I googled it.  Seems pretty easy.
    Yes, now I was reading into something you didn't say so correct me.  Are you switching from one Orto to another?  Those typically came with the red, so that's why I'm asking.  If you are upgrading from red to blue, or just replacing teh red, it should be a very easy swap.  And I think that's limited to the cartridge itself.  If you are going from a Red/Blue to the Orange/Black, then I think you have to change the headshell so it's a little more complex.  
    I was just going to go from red to blue.  If I can hear a distinct difference then i'd do a bigger replacement next.  That I looked up too and it is a bit of more work but one day.  By that time I might upgrade the TT instead.
    Ok all you need is to buy the blue cartridge and replace the red on the existing head shell.  It's two minutes and doesn't require alignment or messing with the azimuth. And once it breaks in,  you should hear an improvement. 
    Aren't the red and blue cartridges the same? Only difference being the stylus?
    Yes but the stylus is in the cart. I'm not sure you can buy the stylus only.  And if you could,  I don't know that you would want to pull out the old and put in the new. The way it's designed,  you just snap out the red and in with the blue. 
    Older record players you actually swapped out the needles.  I don’t think any of the newer ones you do that with.
    Most of the modern MM (moving magnet) cartridges have user replaceable stylus assemblies. 

    MC (moving coil) maybe occasionally do but those are typically sent to the manufacturer or a third party for retipping once the stylus wears out. 
    Interesting, I've read on those magnet types.  They are spendy.  Maybe on my next upgrade?
  • dudeman said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Anyone here do a Stylus change on a Project debut carbon?

    Why do you want to change the stylus rather than the whole headshell?  Are you really just removing the stylus?
     I never heard it called that.  Learn something new every day. Heard Stylus, Cartridge and needle but never headshell.  I googled it.  Seems pretty easy.
    Not to complicate anything but I don't think your turntable has a removable headshell. The cartridge bolts directly to the flattened end of the tonearm. 

    (Some tts allow you to simply remove the flattened part with the cart/stylus as 1 piece. That makes swapping cartridges super easy.)

    For the Red and Blue Ortofon carts, the cartridge body is the same. You can simply remove the stylus from your Red and replace it with a Blue stylus. You will need to check the tracking force for the new stylus to make sure it is dialed in to the manufacturer recommended tracking force. 
    Yes, I read up on how to, it seems fairly easy.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    dudeman said:
    mrussel1 said:
    eddiec said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Anyone here do a Stylus change on a Project debut carbon?

    Why do you want to change the stylus rather than the whole headshell?  Are you really just removing the stylus?
     I never heard it called that.  Learn something new every day. Heard Stylus, Cartridge and needle but never headshell.  I googled it.  Seems pretty easy.
    Yes, now I was reading into something you didn't say so correct me.  Are you switching from one Orto to another?  Those typically came with the red, so that's why I'm asking.  If you are upgrading from red to blue, or just replacing teh red, it should be a very easy swap.  And I think that's limited to the cartridge itself.  If you are going from a Red/Blue to the Orange/Black, then I think you have to change the headshell so it's a little more complex.  
    I was just going to go from red to blue.  If I can hear a distinct difference then i'd do a bigger replacement next.  That I looked up too and it is a bit of more work but one day.  By that time I might upgrade the TT instead.
    Ok all you need is to buy the blue cartridge and replace the red on the existing head shell.  It's two minutes and doesn't require alignment or messing with the azimuth. And once it breaks in,  you should hear an improvement. 
    Aren't the red and blue cartridges the same? Only difference being the stylus?
    Yes but the stylus is in the cart. I'm not sure you can buy the stylus only.  And if you could,  I don't know that you would want to pull out the old and put in the new. The way it's designed,  you just snap out the red and in with the blue. 
    Older record players you actually swapped out the needles.  I don’t think any of the newer ones you do that with.
    Most of the modern MM (moving magnet) cartridges have user replaceable stylus assemblies. 

    MC (moving coil) maybe occasionally do but those are typically sent to the manufacturer or a third party for retipping once the stylus wears out. 
    Interesting, I've read on those magnet types.  They are spendy.  Maybe on my next upgrade?
    I think you mean the coil, not magnet.  And yeah they are.  Depending on your setup, you might need a different phono stage.  

    I have a Hana SL coil and it sounds awesome.  But it was like $750 so not cheap. 
  • mrussel1 said:
    dudeman said:
    mrussel1 said:
    eddiec said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Anyone here do a Stylus change on a Project debut carbon?

    Why do you want to change the stylus rather than the whole headshell?  Are you really just removing the stylus?
     I never heard it called that.  Learn something new every day. Heard Stylus, Cartridge and needle but never headshell.  I googled it.  Seems pretty easy.
    Yes, now I was reading into something you didn't say so correct me.  Are you switching from one Orto to another?  Those typically came with the red, so that's why I'm asking.  If you are upgrading from red to blue, or just replacing teh red, it should be a very easy swap.  And I think that's limited to the cartridge itself.  If you are going from a Red/Blue to the Orange/Black, then I think you have to change the headshell so it's a little more complex.  
    I was just going to go from red to blue.  If I can hear a distinct difference then i'd do a bigger replacement next.  That I looked up too and it is a bit of more work but one day.  By that time I might upgrade the TT instead.
    Ok all you need is to buy the blue cartridge and replace the red on the existing head shell.  It's two minutes and doesn't require alignment or messing with the azimuth. And once it breaks in,  you should hear an improvement. 
    Aren't the red and blue cartridges the same? Only difference being the stylus?
    Yes but the stylus is in the cart. I'm not sure you can buy the stylus only.  And if you could,  I don't know that you would want to pull out the old and put in the new. The way it's designed,  you just snap out the red and in with the blue. 
    Older record players you actually swapped out the needles.  I don’t think any of the newer ones you do that with.
    Most of the modern MM (moving magnet) cartridges have user replaceable stylus assemblies. 

    MC (moving coil) maybe occasionally do but those are typically sent to the manufacturer or a third party for retipping once the stylus wears out. 
    Interesting, I've read on those magnet types.  They are spendy.  Maybe on my next upgrade?
    I think you mean the coil, not magnet.  And yeah they are.  Depending on your setup, you might need a different phono stage.  

    I have a Hana SL coil and it sounds awesome.  But it was like $750 so not cheap. 
    My setup can't be upgraded to that if I remember correctly.  
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    mrussel1 said:
    dudeman said:
    mrussel1 said:
    eddiec said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Anyone here do a Stylus change on a Project debut carbon?

    Why do you want to change the stylus rather than the whole headshell?  Are you really just removing the stylus?
     I never heard it called that.  Learn something new every day. Heard Stylus, Cartridge and needle but never headshell.  I googled it.  Seems pretty easy.
    Yes, now I was reading into something you didn't say so correct me.  Are you switching from one Orto to another?  Those typically came with the red, so that's why I'm asking.  If you are upgrading from red to blue, or just replacing teh red, it should be a very easy swap.  And I think that's limited to the cartridge itself.  If you are going from a Red/Blue to the Orange/Black, then I think you have to change the headshell so it's a little more complex.  
    I was just going to go from red to blue.  If I can hear a distinct difference then i'd do a bigger replacement next.  That I looked up too and it is a bit of more work but one day.  By that time I might upgrade the TT instead.
    Ok all you need is to buy the blue cartridge and replace the red on the existing head shell.  It's two minutes and doesn't require alignment or messing with the azimuth. And once it breaks in,  you should hear an improvement. 
    Aren't the red and blue cartridges the same? Only difference being the stylus?
    Yes but the stylus is in the cart. I'm not sure you can buy the stylus only.  And if you could,  I don't know that you would want to pull out the old and put in the new. The way it's designed,  you just snap out the red and in with the blue. 
    Older record players you actually swapped out the needles.  I don’t think any of the newer ones you do that with.
    Most of the modern MM (moving magnet) cartridges have user replaceable stylus assemblies. 

    MC (moving coil) maybe occasionally do but those are typically sent to the manufacturer or a third party for retipping once the stylus wears out. 
    Interesting, I've read on those magnet types.  They are spendy.  Maybe on my next upgrade?
    I think you mean the coil, not magnet.  And yeah they are.  Depending on your setup, you might need a different phono stage.  

    I have a Hana SL coil and it sounds awesome.  But it was like $750 so not cheap. 
    My setup can't be upgraded to that if I remember correctly.  
    Well anything can be upgraded.  You would just need to get an external phono stage that supports MC and MM.  You run that into an aux input on your system rather than use the phono input that you probably use now.