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I believe I have to change up the tone arm if I wanted to switch up. I don't think the wiring allowed for it? I'd have to read up on it again. It was a pain if I were to go that route and easier to just purchase a different TT.mrussel1 said:
Well anything can be upgraded. You would just need to get an external phono stage that supports MC and MM. You run that into an aux input on your system rather than use the phono input that you probably use now.tempo_n_groove said:
My setup can't be upgraded to that if I remember correctly.mrussel1 said:
I think you mean the coil, not magnet. And yeah they are. Depending on your setup, you might need a different phono stage.tempo_n_groove said:
Interesting, I've read on those magnet types. They are spendy. Maybe on my next upgrade?dudeman said:
Most of the modern MM (moving magnet) cartridges have user replaceable stylus assemblies.tempo_n_groove said:
Older record players you actually swapped out the needles. I don’t think any of the newer ones you do that with.mrussel1 said:
Yes but the stylus is in the cart. I'm not sure you can buy the stylus only. And if you could, I don't know that you would want to pull out the old and put in the new. The way it's designed, you just snap out the red and in with the blue.eddiec said:
Aren't the red and blue cartridges the same? Only difference being the stylus?mrussel1 said:
Ok all you need is to buy the blue cartridge and replace the red on the existing head shell. It's two minutes and doesn't require alignment or messing with the azimuth. And once it breaks in, you should hear an improvement.tempo_n_groove said:
I was just going to go from red to blue. If I can hear a distinct difference then i'd do a bigger replacement next. That I looked up too and it is a bit of more work but one day. By that time I might upgrade the TT instead.mrussel1 said:
Yes, now I was reading into something you didn't say so correct me. Are you switching from one Orto to another? Those typically came with the red, so that's why I'm asking. If you are upgrading from red to blue, or just replacing teh red, it should be a very easy swap. And I think that's limited to the cartridge itself. If you are going from a Red/Blue to the Orange/Black, then I think you have to change the headshell so it's a little more complex.tempo_n_groove said:
I never heard it called that. Learn something new every day. Heard Stylus, Cartridge and needle but never headshell. I googled it. Seems pretty easy.mrussel1 said:tempo_n_groove said:Anyone here do a Stylus change on a Project debut carbon?
Why do you want to change the stylus rather than the whole headshell? Are you really just removing the stylus?
MC (moving coil) maybe occasionally do but those are typically sent to the manufacturer or a third party for retipping once the stylus wears out.
I have a Hana SL coil and it sounds awesome. But it was like $750 so not cheap.0 -
Ah, that could be. I thought you were saying your pre-amp could not support.tempo_n_groove said:
I believe I have to change up the tone arm if I wanted to switch up. I don't think the wiring allowed for it? I'd have to read up on it again. It was a pain if I were to go that route and easier to just purchase a different TT.mrussel1 said:
Well anything can be upgraded. You would just need to get an external phono stage that supports MC and MM. You run that into an aux input on your system rather than use the phono input that you probably use now.tempo_n_groove said:
My setup can't be upgraded to that if I remember correctly.mrussel1 said:
I think you mean the coil, not magnet. And yeah they are. Depending on your setup, you might need a different phono stage.tempo_n_groove said:
Interesting, I've read on those magnet types. They are spendy. Maybe on my next upgrade?dudeman said:
Most of the modern MM (moving magnet) cartridges have user replaceable stylus assemblies.tempo_n_groove said:
Older record players you actually swapped out the needles. I don’t think any of the newer ones you do that with.mrussel1 said:
Yes but the stylus is in the cart. I'm not sure you can buy the stylus only. And if you could, I don't know that you would want to pull out the old and put in the new. The way it's designed, you just snap out the red and in with the blue.eddiec said:
Aren't the red and blue cartridges the same? Only difference being the stylus?mrussel1 said:
Ok all you need is to buy the blue cartridge and replace the red on the existing head shell. It's two minutes and doesn't require alignment or messing with the azimuth. And once it breaks in, you should hear an improvement.tempo_n_groove said:
I was just going to go from red to blue. If I can hear a distinct difference then i'd do a bigger replacement next. That I looked up too and it is a bit of more work but one day. By that time I might upgrade the TT instead.mrussel1 said:
Yes, now I was reading into something you didn't say so correct me. Are you switching from one Orto to another? Those typically came with the red, so that's why I'm asking. If you are upgrading from red to blue, or just replacing teh red, it should be a very easy swap. And I think that's limited to the cartridge itself. If you are going from a Red/Blue to the Orange/Black, then I think you have to change the headshell so it's a little more complex.tempo_n_groove said:
I never heard it called that. Learn something new every day. Heard Stylus, Cartridge and needle but never headshell. I googled it. Seems pretty easy.mrussel1 said:tempo_n_groove said:Anyone here do a Stylus change on a Project debut carbon?
Why do you want to change the stylus rather than the whole headshell? Are you really just removing the stylus?
MC (moving coil) maybe occasionally do but those are typically sent to the manufacturer or a third party for retipping once the stylus wears out.
I have a Hana SL coil and it sounds awesome. But it was like $750 so not cheap.0 -
No my preamp is in my big amp. havent gone the external preamp yet. That is on the future with the tube amps I mentioned a bit back.mrussel1 said:
Ah, that could be. I thought you were saying your pre-amp could not support.tempo_n_groove said:
I believe I have to change up the tone arm if I wanted to switch up. I don't think the wiring allowed for it? I'd have to read up on it again. It was a pain if I were to go that route and easier to just purchase a different TT.mrussel1 said:
Well anything can be upgraded. You would just need to get an external phono stage that supports MC and MM. You run that into an aux input on your system rather than use the phono input that you probably use now.tempo_n_groove said:
My setup can't be upgraded to that if I remember correctly.mrussel1 said:
I think you mean the coil, not magnet. And yeah they are. Depending on your setup, you might need a different phono stage.tempo_n_groove said:
Interesting, I've read on those magnet types. They are spendy. Maybe on my next upgrade?dudeman said:
Most of the modern MM (moving magnet) cartridges have user replaceable stylus assemblies.tempo_n_groove said:
Older record players you actually swapped out the needles. I don’t think any of the newer ones you do that with.mrussel1 said:
Yes but the stylus is in the cart. I'm not sure you can buy the stylus only. And if you could, I don't know that you would want to pull out the old and put in the new. The way it's designed, you just snap out the red and in with the blue.eddiec said:
Aren't the red and blue cartridges the same? Only difference being the stylus?mrussel1 said:
Ok all you need is to buy the blue cartridge and replace the red on the existing head shell. It's two minutes and doesn't require alignment or messing with the azimuth. And once it breaks in, you should hear an improvement.tempo_n_groove said:
I was just going to go from red to blue. If I can hear a distinct difference then i'd do a bigger replacement next. That I looked up too and it is a bit of more work but one day. By that time I might upgrade the TT instead.mrussel1 said:
Yes, now I was reading into something you didn't say so correct me. Are you switching from one Orto to another? Those typically came with the red, so that's why I'm asking. If you are upgrading from red to blue, or just replacing teh red, it should be a very easy swap. And I think that's limited to the cartridge itself. If you are going from a Red/Blue to the Orange/Black, then I think you have to change the headshell so it's a little more complex.tempo_n_groove said:
I never heard it called that. Learn something new every day. Heard Stylus, Cartridge and needle but never headshell. I googled it. Seems pretty easy.mrussel1 said:tempo_n_groove said:Anyone here do a Stylus change on a Project debut carbon?
Why do you want to change the stylus rather than the whole headshell? Are you really just removing the stylus?
MC (moving coil) maybe occasionally do but those are typically sent to the manufacturer or a third party for retipping once the stylus wears out.
I have a Hana SL coil and it sounds awesome. But it was like $750 so not cheap.0 -
I'm going to look at a restored Marantz 2275 today. Hopefully it will be coming home with me!If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV0
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Will do! The seller sent me some pics with the case off. That thing looks brand new inside. Very impressed by the restoration!If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV0
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If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV0 -
Holy crap, that's clean. Did he recap it and clean the whole thing?
Just curious, was that over or under 1500? I'm curious where the market is.Post edited by mrussel1 on0 -
Yeah, top to bottom. This example would easily sell for $2K in today's market. I see sold listings damn near $3K if they have been restored and have the wood case.
This one has a restored wood case, too.If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV0 -
So it came with the vinyl wrapped metal and the wood case?dudeman said:Yeah, top to bottom. This example would easily sell for $2K in today's market. I see sold listings damn near $3K if they have been restored and have the wood case.
This one has a restored wood case, too.
Did you end up buying it?0 -
Isn't this a 3000 amp?dudeman said:I'm going to look at a restored Marantz 2275 today. Hopefully it will be coming home with me!0 -
It's all about them blue gauges!!!0
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I didn't bring it home but I think I might go back for it. Just have to make some room first.mrussel1 said:
So it came with the vinyl wrapped metal and the wood case?dudeman said:Yeah, top to bottom. This example would easily sell for $2K in today's market. I see sold listings damn near $3K if they have been restored and have the wood case.
This one has a restored wood case, too.
Did you end up buying it?
It has the wood case in addition to the metal one.If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV0 -
People seem to be paying that much for them these days. Five or ten years ago, maybe $800.00 to $1,000.00.tempo_n_groove said:
Isn't this a 3000 amp?dudeman said:I'm going to look at a restored Marantz 2275 today. Hopefully it will be coming home with me!
The vintage gear market has gone a little crazy.If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV0 -
That's what I'm wondering, whether the market has cooled like other hobby markets.dudeman said:
People seem to be paying that much for them these days. Five or ten years ago, maybe $800.00 to $1,000.00.tempo_n_groove said:
Isn't this a 3000 amp?dudeman said:I'm going to look at a restored Marantz 2275 today. Hopefully it will be coming home with me!
The vintage gear market has gone a little crazy.0 -
The old stuff is cooler to loo at but the newer stuff has to be better, no?mrussel1 said:
That's what I'm wondering, whether the market has cooled like other hobby markets.dudeman said:
People seem to be paying that much for them these days. Five or ten years ago, maybe $800.00 to $1,000.00.tempo_n_groove said:
Isn't this a 3000 amp?dudeman said:I'm going to look at a restored Marantz 2275 today. Hopefully it will be coming home with me!
The vintage gear market has gone a little crazy.
I've read so many damn articles that claim one way or the other.0 -
I guess it just depends on the seller and where you live. I fixed and sold a bunch of Marantz receivers and other vintage gear probably 12 years ago. None of the receivers cost me more than $200.00 back then. One was a 2285b that I sold for $1000. It would be probably twice that right now.mrussel1 said:
That's what I'm wondering, whether the market has cooled like other hobby markets.dudeman said:
People seem to be paying that much for them these days. Five or ten years ago, maybe $800.00 to $1,000.00.tempo_n_groove said:
Isn't this a 3000 amp?dudeman said:I'm going to look at a restored Marantz 2275 today. Hopefully it will be coming home with me!
The vintage gear market has gone a little crazy.
I would have made a lot more money in today's market.If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV0 -
Do you prefer the B models or the ones from early 70s? Mine has a production year of 1971. It's crazy that I have a unit older than me, not recapped, but sounds great.dudeman said:
I guess it just depends on the seller and where you live. I fixed and sold a bunch of Marantz receivers and other vintage gear probably 12 years ago. None of the receivers cost me more than $200.00 back then. One was a 2285b that I sold for $1000. It would be probably twice that right now.mrussel1 said:
That's what I'm wondering, whether the market has cooled like other hobby markets.dudeman said:
People seem to be paying that much for them these days. Five or ten years ago, maybe $800.00 to $1,000.00.tempo_n_groove said:
Isn't this a 3000 amp?dudeman said:I'm going to look at a restored Marantz 2275 today. Hopefully it will be coming home with me!
The vintage gear market has gone a little crazy.
I would have made a lot more money in today's market.0 -
Too many variables to empirically say one way or the other. Most consumer grade audio equipment nowadays is designed to be sold at particular price points and is made out of sub-assemblies of components and assembled by machinery.tempo_n_groove said:
The old stuff is cooler to loo at but the newer stuff has to be better, no?mrussel1 said:
That's what I'm wondering, whether the market has cooled like other hobby markets.dudeman said:
People seem to be paying that much for them these days. Five or ten years ago, maybe $800.00 to $1,000.00.tempo_n_groove said:
Isn't this a 3000 amp?dudeman said:I'm going to look at a restored Marantz 2275 today. Hopefully it will be coming home with me!
The vintage gear market has gone a little crazy.
I've read so many damn articles that claim one way or the other.
Much of the old gear was hand wired using discrete components. While it is true that consistency between electronic components is better today than it was in the 70's, higher end companies took the time to sort and match the parts that were used.
There is good stuff and there is crap from both eras.If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV0 -
Yeah that's dead on. Further, they spend a lot of money on the certifications for Dolby, DTX, etc. And they try to cram as much tech into a box and price it at 500-1000. So the compromise is in the amplifier stage, I think.dudeman said:
Too many variables to empirically say one way or the other. Most consumer grade audio equipment nowadays is designed to be sold at particular price points and is made out of sub-assemblies of components and assembled by machinery.tempo_n_groove said:
The old stuff is cooler to loo at but the newer stuff has to be better, no?mrussel1 said:
That's what I'm wondering, whether the market has cooled like other hobby markets.dudeman said:
People seem to be paying that much for them these days. Five or ten years ago, maybe $800.00 to $1,000.00.tempo_n_groove said:
Isn't this a 3000 amp?dudeman said:I'm going to look at a restored Marantz 2275 today. Hopefully it will be coming home with me!
The vintage gear market has gone a little crazy.
I've read so many damn articles that claim one way or the other.
Much of the old gear was hand wired using discrete components. While it is true that consistency between electronic components is better today than it was in the 70's, higher end companies took the time to sort and match the parts that were used.
There is good stuff and there is crap from both eras.
When you get into high end, I believe modern sounds better. For me my McIntosh setup or a Luxman I had for a while were much better than my Marantz 2245. But in that 1500 range, I haven't found anything that is better than the Marantz for sound quality. In fact, I demoed that well regarded Cambridge Cx model that's about$1300. No DAC, pure analog and the Marantz was superior.0
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