#46 President Joe Biden

Cropduster-80 said:

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mickeyrat said:

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cincybearcat said:

Look - here's the thing... and I do not know how many times I have to say it before someone understands it.

I have been a conservative voter.  Then mixed.  However I haven't voted for a single conservative (city, state, national) since 2016 due to the direction of the national party and the crazy locals it brought out.  

So - me pointing out I want the Dems to run someone to beat Trump or DeSantis is because I don't like the direction of the party that I already left.  They need to rack up loss after loss after loss to hopefully re-shape the party....who knows if even possible.  I thought part of cleaning house was ot leave the party and vote against it if you don't believe in their platform anymore?

It gets old having someone continually assume and incorrectly state that you support a certain person or party when it is not true and hasn't been the case for sometime.  And then any criticism against current Dems is met with fake accusations of dismissing Trump and other's behaviors.  It's just not true, it's old and it's tiresome. 

You are the exception not the rule within your party. I respect that. I wish more saw it 

I’ll say it over and over because it’s so clear to me…. Trump isn’t a Republican. I just wish more republicans saw that. It’s pretty obvious 

minus gerrymandering looking at the country as a whole, democrats have carried the largest vote share in 7 of the last 8 presidential elections. The country leans left, no question. Republicans needed to bring in the crazies to boost numbers. Finding out how to deal with them is an entirely different proposition. It may be impossible.  Until the traditional republicans leave and they lose numbers again they won’t be forced to rebalance the platform. Right now traditional republicans are going along. They might not like it but they are

he just said, its not his party since 2016

“Former party”

that’s the point though. That’s the exception not the rule. There isn’t huge numbers of traditional republicans who see that as an option.

seems to me he is a traditional republican in ideology still. And there isn’t anything wrong with that.  I might not agree with a traditional republican but I can see where they are coming from.  

The George Conway wing gets traction from democrats not fracturing the Republican Party. He isn’t a democrat not even close.  Not sure how to characterise these voters. They aren’t liberals, they aren’t really independents in the normal sense either 

I do not see Trump or this version of the GOP as traditional in anyway:

1) No personal responsibility
2) Not balancing budget or even pretending to care about $ other than on what someone else wants to spend
3) Freedoms - I see the move towards government interference on numerous issues including Gay rights as a shift away from true conservative, limited government ideals and a move further towards a religious party.  I guess bottom line - it's the move towards a full blown hypocritical religious party that has driven me away.

And now the republican party wants to align themselves with dictators and strongmen instead of being the party that helps support people's right to freedom (supporting Ukraine, etc.).  That is a HUGE shift.  Seismic.

Cropduster-80 said:

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cincybearcat said:

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mickeyrat said:

Cropduster-80 said:

cincybearcat said:

Look - here's the thing... and I do not know how many times I have to say it before someone understands it.

I have been a conservative voter.  Then mixed.  However I haven't voted for a single conservative (city, state, national) since 2016 due to the direction of the national party and the crazy locals it brought out.  

So - me pointing out I want the Dems to run someone to beat Trump or DeSantis is because I don't like the direction of the party that I already left.  They need to rack up loss after loss after loss to hopefully re-shape the party....who knows if even possible.  I thought part of cleaning house was ot leave the party and vote against it if you don't believe in their platform anymore?

It gets old having someone continually assume and incorrectly state that you support a certain person or party when it is not true and hasn't been the case for sometime.  And then any criticism against current Dems is met with fake accusations of dismissing Trump and other's behaviors.  It's just not true, it's old and it's tiresome. 

You are the exception not the rule within your party. I respect that. I wish more saw it 

I’ll say it over and over because it’s so clear to me…. Trump isn’t a Republican. I just wish more republicans saw that. It’s pretty obvious 

minus gerrymandering looking at the country as a whole, democrats have carried the largest vote share in 7 of the last 8 presidential elections. The country leans left, no question. Republicans needed to bring in the crazies to boost numbers. Finding out how to deal with them is an entirely different proposition. It may be impossible.  Until the traditional republicans leave and they lose numbers again they won’t be forced to rebalance the platform. Right now traditional republicans are going along. They might not like it but they are

he just said, its not his party since 2016

“Former party”

that’s the point though. That’s the exception not the rule. There isn’t huge numbers of traditional republicans who see that as an option.

seems to me he is a traditional republican in ideology still. And there isn’t anything wrong with that.  I might not agree with a traditional republican but I can see where they are coming from.  

The George Conway wing gets traction from democrats not fracturing the Republican Party. He isn’t a democrat not even close.  Not sure how to characterise these voters. They aren’t liberals, they aren’t really independents in the normal sense either 

I do not see Trump or this version of the GOP as traditional in anyway:

1) No personal responsibility
2) Not balancing budget or even pretending to care about $ other than on what someone else wants to spend
3) Freedoms - I see the move towards government interference on numerous issues including Gay rights as a shift away from true conservative, limited government ideals and a move further towards a religious party.  I guess bottom line - it's the move towards a full blown hypocritical religious party that has driven me away.

And now the republican party wants to align themselves with dictators and strongmen instead of being the party that helps support people's right to freedom (supporting Ukraine, etc.).  That is a HUGE shift.  Seismic.

Exactly. That’s what I’m saying. Trump isn’t a Republican so anyone who leaves still probably is a Republican.  The party they left isn’t Republican. 

I just don’t see that happening in huge numbers. They aren’t becoming liberals either.  They may vote that way but they aren’t ideologically liberal 

It’s  dangerous for the democrats to rely on the disaffected Republican vote. You are relying on people who just disagree with you less.  They don’t like you still.

Ah I got you.  I agree.  I really thought there would be more people leaving GOP and voting Dems in 2016....didn't happen.  Thought even more in 2020...nope.  I guess it's one thing I've be overly optimistic about instead of a realist.  

I am concerned with a report I heard on MSNBC or CNN that the hispanic vote is shifting more GOP....likely due to religion as well as taxes/paying for other people.  I honestly never imagined that.  I wonder what it will look like in the long term.  

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Just wait until gas prices start soaring again.  Joey pudding brain Softserve has emptied the reserves we all paid for to try to get to the midterms with lower prices to save his party’s ass. Up up and away for the house plant OTUS’s gas prices.  2023 is going to see a lot of people losing their jobs too.  Gonna suck ass before things get better.

So to be clear, you are 

1. Against using the strategic reserve that helped to reduce prices for the last year.  You believe it would have been better for the President to do nothing.  
2. Against supporting Ukraine in their fight against Russia.  This is certainly a cause of the gas price spike.
3. Against continuing to support Ukraine, considering OPEC+ handed a lifeline to Russia today by agreeing to cut production by 2 MM bpd.  This will undoubtedly increase prices.

So with that, and considering your geopolitical chops compared to the Biden administration, tell us what you would have done regarding the Ukraine War, supply chain issues, etc. that would have kept the gas prices in check.  Give us your strategy.  

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mrussel1 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Just wait until gas prices start soaring again.  Joey pudding brain Softserve has emptied the reserves we all paid for to try to get to the midterms with lower prices to save his party’s ass. Up up and away for the house plant OTUS’s gas prices.  2023 is going to see a lot of people losing their jobs too.  Gonna suck ass before things get better.

So to be clear, you are 

1. Against using the strategic reserve that helped to reduce prices for the last year.  You believe it would have been better for the President to do nothing.  
2. Against supporting Ukraine in their fight against Russia.  This is certainly a cause of the gas price spike.
3. Against continuing to support Ukraine, considering OPEC+ handed a lifeline to Russia today by agreeing to cut production by 2 MM bpd.  This will undoubtedly increase prices.

So with that, and considering your geopolitical chops compared to the Biden administration, tell us what you would have done regarding the Ukraine War, supply chain issues, etc. that would have kept the gas prices in check.  Give us your strategy.  

The strategic oil reserves were more full when trump took office than they were when he left 

Strategic oil reserves remain well above where they were in the 80’s and that was far more of a potential issue in the event of an oil disruption.  There is more than twice the oil in there than there was in 1982

our domestic production capability means we probably need less than in the 80’s not more 

I agree with all that.  This was built coming out of the 70s crisis.  I'm just curious what all the arm chair qbs would have done to keep oil prices low.  I'm sure RoleModels doesn't have mush for brains, so I bet he has an awesome plan that no one else thought of.  So I'd like to hear it. 

Plus like no time in our history you don’t need a gas vehicle. Don’t like gas prices? Don’t use gas.  

Gern Blansten said:

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HughFreakingDillon said:

so gas prices in canada are biden's fault? weird. I guess the cold weather in winnipeg in the winter is the fault of deep state dem's in florida?

Not only Canada...the entire fucking world. FJB

Pretty much

if we priced it in litres in the US that solves the perception problem.  People can’t do the conversion anyway. $1.75 sounds great 

General Mills keeps making my cereal boxes smaller.  Gas stations are way behind the curve here 

when I’m out of cinnamon toast crunch my day is ruined. It’s outrageous! I want my cereal in the quantity and at the price I demand.  It’s the same thing but voting  because of my cereal complaints probably won’t catch on 

mickeyrat said:

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HughFreakingDillon said:

so gas prices in canada are biden's fault? weird. I guess the cold weather in winnipeg in the winter is the fault of deep state dem's in florida?

yes. their power runs far and wide.

I love the Fox argument that Dems are incompetent, mush for brains.  But at the same time, diabolical election stealers that effectively hide the proof.  They are both genius and the biggest morons in the world. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

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mrussel1 said:

mickeyrat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

so gas prices in canada are biden's fault? weird. I guess the cold weather in winnipeg in the winter is the fault of deep state dem's in florida?

yes. their power runs far and wide.

I love the Fox argument that Dems are incompetent, mush for brains.  But at the same time, diabolical election stealers that effectively hide the proof.  They are both genius and the biggest morons in the world. 

-doesn't know where he is? check
-manipulating weather because they don't like the governor of the state? also check

logic checks out. 

Covid didn’t almost kill him unlike the other guy but 
biden is still frail 

I thought trump was going to pass out during his “triumphant” return to the White House 

vaccines don’t work, so that can’t be the difference. It’s got to be straight up manliness and trump must be lacking 

mace1229 said:

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Cropduster-80 said:

Plus like no time in our history you don’t need a gas vehicle. Don’t like gas prices? Don’t use gas.  

Simple Republican free market dynamics.  

EV’s are capable, affordable, and can do anything your gas powered vehicle does. Often times more

gas prices should be a non issue. It’s not like the water company charging 8 bucks a gallon for water and you will die if you can’t pay for it. 

There is a war going on, prices are high. How about some conserving? Behaviour changes? Gas prices are only high in practice if you carry on with the same usage as before. 

EVs are not affordable to many. Average cost of a used EV is way higher than many gas ones. And if you can find an affordable used EV, it will likely be totaled once the batteries run out because the cost of replacing them is so high.
And they still aren't practical for driving long distances. My wife's parents just drove out to visit us, about 300 miles. They were looking at an EV and were told they'd have to charge twice on the drive here. And much of it is country roads with nowhere to charge.
So for many people, EVs are still not practical if its your only car.

For a minority.

95 percent of people aren’t driving 500 miles plus in a day so their day to day isn’t impacted in the slightest. When people do, the vast majority travel by interstate. Stop for lunch and recharge. It’s not impractical. An extended range EV gets you 300 miles .

all these people who are doing 700 miles a day with 5 minute gas refuels are being dangerous no question. You need a break anyway.

Cost savings alone makes an EV  cheaper over time.  Paying $200 a month or whatever on gas Vs $60 for the electricity should be factored in as well.  EV’s are cheaper than most big SUV’s and that’s what people are buying predominantly 

less moving parts on an EV makes them easier to service. Cost savings.  Unless cost of ownership isn’t being factored in by car buyers 

if you don’t want to use gas, there is a ton of options. If you want to use gas fine. The price of gas is volatile and subject to change and the president can’t control it 

the vast majority of two adult households have two vehicles. In the US 1.88 cars per household is the average. A household can contain one adult, so one car houses aren’t the norm. they both don’t need to be 14mpg giant SUV’s