Yeah and I do hate to always compare to tRump but I don't know what else to do.
I like Biden but I think Buttigieg and/or Gavin Newsom should run in 2024. I'm not impressed with Harris at all. Prior to the election I thought she was good...I just don't see it now.
And for GOP hypocrisy look no further than the hurricane response. Those fucking assholes that voted against hurricane relief when it hit blue states sure are begging for aid right now.
I am actually pretty shocked at just how little I think of Harris nowadays.
Regarding the recent gaffe...this one really is one of the cringy/funny gaffes and nothing to get all crazy about. But I am on record of not really being a Joe fan...and thinking his age is definitely a negative for the job as president.
I am not a big fan of the Dems for sure, but dammit they need to make sure Trump or DeSantis aren't the next president. Whatever it takes if it's against trump...
Why is that a dem responsibility? You repubs oughta clean house and get off the crazy train.
Huh? Why is what a Dem responsibility?
I didn’t think it’d have to be spelled out for you. But here we are.
Well it was a dumb question. It ain’t going to happen until the republicans have loss after loss after loss.
so you can hitch your wagon to the hope and prayer that things in the GOP are going to chance with a snap of fingers…or you can embrace reality and hope that the dems run someone who will beat them.
I wish the GOP would drop the dumb fucks and crazy…but it doesn’t appear we are anywhere close yet.
Yeah and I do hate to always compare to tRump but I don't know what else to do.
I like Biden but I think Buttigieg and/or Gavin Newsom should run in 2024. I'm not impressed with Harris at all. Prior to the election I thought she was good...I just don't see it now.
And for GOP hypocrisy look no further than the hurricane response. Those fucking assholes that voted against hurricane relief when it hit blue states sure are begging for aid right now.
I am actually pretty shocked at just how little I think of Harris nowadays.
Regarding the recent gaffe...this one really is one of the cringy/funny gaffes and nothing to get all crazy about. But I am on record of not really being a Joe fan...and thinking his age is definitely a negative for the job as president.
I am not a big fan of the Dems for sure, but dammit they need to make sure Trump or DeSantis aren't the next president. Whatever it takes if it's against trump...
Why is that a dem responsibility? You repubs oughta clean house and get off the crazy train.
Huh? Why is what a Dem responsibility?
I didn’t think it’d have to be spelled out for you. But here we are.
Well it was a dumb question. It ain’t going to happen until the republicans have loss after loss after loss.
so you can hitch your wagon to the hope and prayer that things in the GOP are going to chance with a snap of fingers…or you can embrace reality and hope that the dems run someone who will beat them.
I wish the GOP would drop the dumb fucks and crazy…but it doesn’t appear we are anywhere close yet.
I already embrace reality and it’s time you and your repubs do as well. The repubs have a much better chance of “snapping their fingers and changing things.”
Typical repub tactic, blame everyone else and absolve yourselves of any responsibility for the shit show of a mess we’re in, all the while refusing to offer any policy ideas for any of our challenges whilst wrapping yourselves in the flag of hypocrisy. While our current party leader is forgetting someone’s name who passed away, your party leader is making veiled threats against your party’s senate leader and disparaging his wife with racist asides. And which did you complain about?
Just wait until gas prices start soaring again. Joey pudding brain Softserve has emptied the reserves we all paid for to try to get to the midterms with lower prices to save his party’s ass. Up up and away for the house plant OTUS’s gas prices. 2023 is going to see a lot of people losing their jobs too. Gonna suck ass before things get better.
Just wait until gas prices start soaring again. Joey pudding brain Softserve has emptied the reserves we all paid for to try to get to the midterms with lower prices to save his party’s ass. Up up and away for the house plant OTUS’s gas prices. 2023 is going to see a lot of people losing their jobs too. Gonna suck ass before things get better.
How about some indictments? Will we finally get some indictments?
Yeah and I do hate to always compare to tRump but I don't know what else to do.
I like Biden but I think Buttigieg and/or Gavin Newsom should run in 2024. I'm not impressed with Harris at all. Prior to the election I thought she was good...I just don't see it now.
And for GOP hypocrisy look no further than the hurricane response. Those fucking assholes that voted against hurricane relief when it hit blue states sure are begging for aid right now.
I am actually pretty shocked at just how little I think of Harris nowadays.
Regarding the recent gaffe...this one really is one of the cringy/funny gaffes and nothing to get all crazy about. But I am on record of not really being a Joe fan...and thinking his age is definitely a negative for the job as president.
I am not a big fan of the Dems for sure, but dammit they need to make sure Trump or DeSantis aren't the next president. Whatever it takes if it's against trump...
Why is that a dem responsibility? You repubs oughta clean house and get off the crazy train.
Huh? Why is what a Dem responsibility?
I didn’t think it’d have to be spelled out for you. But here we are.
Well it was a dumb question. It ain’t going to happen until the republicans have loss after loss after loss.
so you can hitch your wagon to the hope and prayer that things in the GOP are going to chance with a snap of fingers…or you can embrace reality and hope that the dems run someone who will beat them.
I wish the GOP would drop the dumb fucks and crazy…but it doesn’t appear we are anywhere close yet.
I already embrace reality and it’s time you and your repubs do as well. The repubs have a much better chance of “snapping their fingers and changing things.”
Typical repub tactic, blame everyone else and absolve yourselves of any responsibility for the shit show of a mess we’re in, all the while refusing to offer any policy ideas for any of our challenges whilst wrapping yourselves in the flag of hypocrisy. While our current party leader is forgetting someone’s name who passed away, your party leader is making veiled threats against your party’s senate leader and disparaging his wife with racist asides. And which did you complain about?
Yeah and I do hate to always compare to tRump but I don't know what else to do.
I like Biden but I think Buttigieg and/or Gavin Newsom should run in 2024. I'm not impressed with Harris at all. Prior to the election I thought she was good...I just don't see it now.
And for GOP hypocrisy look no further than the hurricane response. Those fucking assholes that voted against hurricane relief when it hit blue states sure are begging for aid right now.
I am actually pretty shocked at just how little I think of Harris nowadays.
Regarding the recent gaffe...this one really is one of the cringy/funny gaffes and nothing to get all crazy about. But I am on record of not really being a Joe fan...and thinking his age is definitely a negative for the job as president.
I am not a big fan of the Dems for sure, but dammit they need to make sure Trump or DeSantis aren't the next president. Whatever it takes if it's against trump...
Why is that a dem responsibility? You repubs oughta clean house and get off the crazy train.
Huh? Why is what a Dem responsibility?
I didn’t think it’d have to be spelled out for you. But here we are.
Well it was a dumb question. It ain’t going to happen until the republicans have loss after loss after loss.
so you can hitch your wagon to the hope and prayer that things in the GOP are going to chance with a snap of fingers…or you can embrace reality and hope that the dems run someone who will beat them.
I wish the GOP would drop the dumb fucks and crazy…but it doesn’t appear we are anywhere close yet.
I already embrace reality and it’s time you and your repubs do as well. The repubs have a much better chance of “snapping their fingers and changing things.”
Typical repub tactic, blame everyone else and absolve yourselves of any responsibility for the shit show of a mess we’re in, all the while refusing to offer any policy ideas for any of our challenges whilst wrapping yourselves in the flag of hypocrisy. While our current party leader is forgetting someone’s name who passed away, your party leader is making veiled threats against your party’s senate leader and disparaging his wife with racist asides. And which did you complain about?
Clean up the fucking mess.
You’re drunk, go home.
Chirp, chirp, chirp. I’m surprised you didn’t throw in a “hair sniffing retort.”
Yeah and I do hate to always compare to tRump but I don't know what else to do.
I like Biden but I think Buttigieg and/or Gavin Newsom should run in 2024. I'm not impressed with Harris at all. Prior to the election I thought she was good...I just don't see it now.
And for GOP hypocrisy look no further than the hurricane response. Those fucking assholes that voted against hurricane relief when it hit blue states sure are begging for aid right now.
I am actually pretty shocked at just how little I think of Harris nowadays.
Regarding the recent gaffe...this one really is one of the cringy/funny gaffes and nothing to get all crazy about. But I am on record of not really being a Joe fan...and thinking his age is definitely a negative for the job as president.
I am not a big fan of the Dems for sure, but dammit they need to make sure Trump or DeSantis aren't the next president. Whatever it takes if it's against trump...
Why is that a dem responsibility? You repubs oughta clean house and get off the crazy train.
Huh? Why is what a Dem responsibility?
I didn’t think it’d have to be spelled out for you. But here we are.
Well it was a dumb question. It ain’t going to happen until the republicans have loss after loss after loss.
so you can hitch your wagon to the hope and prayer that things in the GOP are going to chance with a snap of fingers…or you can embrace reality and hope that the dems run someone who will beat them.
I wish the GOP would drop the dumb fucks and crazy…but it doesn’t appear we are anywhere close yet.
I already embrace reality and it’s time you and your repubs do as well. The repubs have a much better chance of “snapping their fingers and changing things.”
Typical repub tactic, blame everyone else and absolve yourselves of any responsibility for the shit show of a mess we’re in, all the while refusing to offer any policy ideas for any of our challenges whilst wrapping yourselves in the flag of hypocrisy. While our current party leader is forgetting someone’s name who passed away, your party leader is making veiled threats against your party’s senate leader and disparaging his wife with racist asides. And which did you complain about?
Clean up the fucking mess.
You’re drunk, go home.
Chirp, chirp, chirp. I’m surprised you didn’t throw in a “hair sniffing retort.”
Yeah and I do hate to always compare to tRump but I don't know what else to do.
I like Biden but I think Buttigieg and/or Gavin Newsom should run in 2024. I'm not impressed with Harris at all. Prior to the election I thought she was good...I just don't see it now.
And for GOP hypocrisy look no further than the hurricane response. Those fucking assholes that voted against hurricane relief when it hit blue states sure are begging for aid right now.
I am actually pretty shocked at just how little I think of Harris nowadays.
Regarding the recent gaffe...this one really is one of the cringy/funny gaffes and nothing to get all crazy about. But I am on record of not really being a Joe fan...and thinking his age is definitely a negative for the job as president.
I am not a big fan of the Dems for sure, but dammit they need to make sure Trump or DeSantis aren't the next president. Whatever it takes if it's against trump...
Why is that a dem responsibility? You repubs oughta clean house and get off the crazy train.
Huh? Why is what a Dem responsibility?
I didn’t think it’d have to be spelled out for you. But here we are.
Well it was a dumb question. It ain’t going to happen until the republicans have loss after loss after loss.
so you can hitch your wagon to the hope and prayer that things in the GOP are going to chance with a snap of fingers…or you can embrace reality and hope that the dems run someone who will beat them.
I wish the GOP would drop the dumb fucks and crazy…but it doesn’t appear we are anywhere close yet.
I already embrace reality and it’s time you and your repubs do as well. The repubs have a much better chance of “snapping their fingers and changing things.”
Typical repub tactic, blame everyone else and absolve yourselves of any responsibility for the shit show of a mess we’re in, all the while refusing to offer any policy ideas for any of our challenges whilst wrapping yourselves in the flag of hypocrisy. While our current party leader is forgetting someone’s name who passed away, your party leader is making veiled threats against your party’s senate leader and disparaging his wife with racist asides. And which did you complain about?
Clean up the fucking mess.
You’re drunk, go home.
Chirp, chirp, chirp. I’m surprised you didn’t throw in a “hair sniffing retort.”
You have some serious issues. Get some water.
Really? That’s all you got? Seriously? Define “serious issues,” and I’ll let you know whether you’re close to my diagnosis or not.
Look - here's the thing... and I do not know how many times I have to say it before someone understands it.
I have been a conservative voter. Then mixed. However I haven't voted for a single conservative (city, state, national) since 2016 due to the direction of the national party and the crazy locals it brought out.
So - me pointing out I want the Dems to run someone to beat Trump or DeSantis is because I don't like the direction of the party that I already left. They need to rack up loss after loss after loss to hopefully re-shape the party....who knows if even possible. I thought part of cleaning house was ot leave the party and vote against it if you don't believe in their platform anymore?
It gets old having someone continually assume and incorrectly state that you support a certain person or party when it is not true and hasn't been the case for sometime. And then any criticism against current Dems is met with fake accusations of dismissing Trump and other's behaviors. It's just not true, it's old and it's tiresome.
Look - here's the thing... and I do not know how many times I have to say it before someone understands it.
I have been a conservative voter. Then mixed. However I haven't voted for a single conservative (city, state, national) since 2016 due to the direction of the national party and the crazy locals it brought out.
So - me pointing out I want the Dems to run someone to beat Trump or DeSantis is because I don't like the direction of the party that I already left. They need to rack up loss after loss after loss to hopefully re-shape the party....who knows if even possible. I thought part of cleaning house was ot leave the party and vote against it if you don't believe in their platform anymore?
It gets old having someone continually assume and incorrectly state that you support a certain person or party when it is not true and hasn't been the case for sometime. And then any criticism against current Dems is met with fake accusations of dismissing Trump and other's behaviors. It's just not true, it's old and it's tiresome.
You are the exception not the rule within your party. I respect that. I wish more saw it
I’ll say it over and over because it’s so clear to me…. Trump isn’t a Republican. I just wish more republicans saw that. It’s pretty obvious
minus gerrymandering looking at the country as a whole, democrats have carried the largest vote share in 7 of the last 8 presidential elections. The country leans left, no question. Republicans needed to bring in the crazies to boost numbers. Finding out how to deal with them is an entirely different proposition. It may be impossible. Until the traditional republicans leave and they lose numbers again they won’t be forced to rebalance the platform. Right now traditional republicans are going along. They might not like it but they are
Look - here's the thing... and I do not know how many times I have to say it before someone understands it.
I have been a conservative voter. Then mixed. However I haven't voted for a single conservative (city, state, national) since 2016 due to the direction of the national party and the crazy locals it brought out.
So - me pointing out I want the Dems to run someone to beat Trump or DeSantis is because I don't like the direction of the party that I already left. They need to rack up loss after loss after loss to hopefully re-shape the party....who knows if even possible. I thought part of cleaning house was ot leave the party and vote against it if you don't believe in their platform anymore?
It gets old having someone continually assume and incorrectly state that you support a certain person or party when it is not true and hasn't been the case for sometime. And then any criticism against current Dems is met with fake accusations of dismissing Trump and other's behaviors. It's just not true, it's old and it's tiresome.
Fair points Cincy.
To me, the dementia criticism of Biden is a carry over from the 2020 election cycle, which was never a good faith criticism in the first place. Does the guy have some slip ups? Sure. Does he stutter, making him seem slower than he is? Yes, and anyone conversing in good faith will acknowledge that. He's also a good statesman, and he's handled his role pretty damn well since taking office. There's plenty he can be criticized for, but he's done ok considering the complete shit show he inherited & everything that's happened since.
& until the next election, Biden will always be compared to trump, because those were our only choices two years ago. There were literally no other options, so that comparison is fair, at least for his 1st term.
I want a younger guy in office as much as the rest of us, but like 2020, Biden might be the only guy who can beat trump again.
IDK what the answer is, but preemptively blaming democrats if trump or desantis get into office in 2024 seems pretty backwards.
Look - here's the thing... and I do not know how many times I have to say it before someone understands it.
I have been a conservative voter. Then mixed. However I haven't voted for a single conservative (city, state, national) since 2016 due to the direction of the national party and the crazy locals it brought out.
So - me pointing out I want the Dems to run someone to beat Trump or DeSantis is because I don't like the direction of the party that I already left. They need to rack up loss after loss after loss to hopefully re-shape the party....who knows if even possible. I thought part of cleaning house was ot leave the party and vote against it if you don't believe in their platform anymore?
It gets old having someone continually assume and incorrectly state that you support a certain person or party when it is not true and hasn't been the case for sometime. And then any criticism against current Dems is met with fake accusations of dismissing Trump and other's behaviors. It's just not true, it's old and it's tiresome.
Fair points Cincy.
To me, the dementia criticism of Biden is a carry over from the 2020 election cycle, which was never a good faith criticism in the first place. Does the guy have some slip ups? Sure. Does he stutter, making him seem slower than he is? Yes, and anyone conversing in good faith will acknowledge that. He's also a good statesman, and he's handled his role pretty damn well since taking office. There's plenty he can be criticized for, but he's done ok considering the complete shit show he inherited & everything that's happened since.
& until the next election, Biden will always be compared to trump, because those were our only choices two years ago. There were literally no other options, so that comparison is fair, at least for his 1st term.
I want a younger guy in office as much as the rest of us, but like 2020, Biden might be the only guy who can beat trump again.
IDK what the answer is, but preemptively blaming democrats if trump or desantis get into office in 2024 seems pretty backwards.
I don;t think anyone pre-emptively blamed Democrats if trump/desantis get elected....
Look - here's the thing... and I do not know how many times I have to say it before someone understands it.
I have been a conservative voter. Then mixed. However I haven't voted for a single conservative (city, state, national) since 2016 due to the direction of the national party and the crazy locals it brought out.
So - me pointing out I want the Dems to run someone to beat Trump or DeSantis is because I don't like the direction of the party that I already left. They need to rack up loss after loss after loss to hopefully re-shape the party....who knows if even possible. I thought part of cleaning house was ot leave the party and vote against it if you don't believe in their platform anymore?
It gets old having someone continually assume and incorrectly state that you support a certain person or party when it is not true and hasn't been the case for sometime. And then any criticism against current Dems is met with fake accusations of dismissing Trump and other's behaviors. It's just not true, it's old and it's tiresome.
You are the exception not the rule within your party. I respect that. I wish more saw it
I’ll say it over and over because it’s so clear to me…. Trump isn’t a Republican. I just wish more republicans saw that. It’s pretty obvious
minus gerrymandering looking at the country as a whole, democrats have carried the largest vote share in 7 of the last 8 presidential elections. The country leans left, no question. Republicans needed to bring in the crazies to boost numbers. Finding out how to deal with them is an entirely different proposition. It may be impossible. Until the traditional republicans leave and they lose numbers again they won’t be forced to rebalance the platform. Right now traditional republicans are going along. They might not like it but they are
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another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Look - here's the thing... and I do not know how many times I have to say it before someone understands it.
I have been a conservative voter. Then mixed. However I haven't voted for a single conservative (city, state, national) since 2016 due to the direction of the national party and the crazy locals it brought out.
So - me pointing out I want the Dems to run someone to beat Trump or DeSantis is because I don't like the direction of the party that I already left. They need to rack up loss after loss after loss to hopefully re-shape the party....who knows if even possible. I thought part of cleaning house was ot leave the party and vote against it if you don't believe in their platform anymore?
It gets old having someone continually assume and incorrectly state that you support a certain person or party when it is not true and hasn't been the case for sometime. And then any criticism against current Dems is met with fake accusations of dismissing Trump and other's behaviors. It's just not true, it's old and it's tiresome.
Fair points Cincy.
To me, the dementia criticism of Biden is a carry over from the 2020 election cycle, which was never a good faith criticism in the first place. Does the guy have some slip ups? Sure. Does he stutter, making him seem slower than he is? Yes, and anyone conversing in good faith will acknowledge that. He's also a good statesman, and he's handled his role pretty damn well since taking office. There's plenty he can be criticized for, but he's done ok considering the complete shit show he inherited & everything that's happened since.
& until the next election, Biden will always be compared to trump, because those were our only choices two years ago. There were literally no other options, so that comparison is fair, at least for his 1st term.
I want a younger guy in office as much as the rest of us, but like 2020, Biden might be the only guy who can beat trump again.
IDK what the answer is, but preemptively blaming democrats if trump or desantis get into office in 2024 seems pretty backwards.
I don;t think anyone pre-emptively blamed Democrats if trump/desantis get elected....
It's what was inferred when you said "I am not a big fan of the Dems for sure, but dammit they need to make sure Trump or DeSantis aren't the next president. "
You've since clarified that's not what you meant, so be it.
Look - here's the thing... and I do not know how many times I have to say it before someone understands it.
I have been a conservative voter. Then mixed. However I haven't voted for a single conservative (city, state, national) since 2016 due to the direction of the national party and the crazy locals it brought out.
So - me pointing out I want the Dems to run someone to beat Trump or DeSantis is because I don't like the direction of the party that I already left. They need to rack up loss after loss after loss to hopefully re-shape the party....who knows if even possible. I thought part of cleaning house was ot leave the party and vote against it if you don't believe in their platform anymore?
It gets old having someone continually assume and incorrectly state that you support a certain person or party when it is not true and hasn't been the case for sometime. And then any criticism against current Dems is met with fake accusations of dismissing Trump and other's behaviors. It's just not true, it's old and it's tiresome.
You are the exception not the rule within your party. I respect that. I wish more saw it
I’ll say it over and over because it’s so clear to me…. Trump isn’t a Republican. I just wish more republicans saw that. It’s pretty obvious
minus gerrymandering looking at the country as a whole, democrats have carried the largest vote share in 7 of the last 8 presidential elections. The country leans left, no question. Republicans needed to bring in the crazies to boost numbers. Finding out how to deal with them is an entirely different proposition. It may be impossible. Until the traditional republicans leave and they lose numbers again they won’t be forced to rebalance the platform. Right now traditional republicans are going along. They might not like it but they are
he just said, its not his party since 2016
“Former party”
that’s the point though. That’s the exception not the rule. There isn’t huge numbers of traditional republicans who see that as an option.
seems to me he is a traditional republican in ideology still. And there isn’t anything wrong with that. I might not agree with a traditional republican but I can see where they are coming from.
The George Conway wing gets traction from democrats not fracturing the Republican Party. He isn’t a democrat not even close. Not sure how to characterise these voters. They aren’t liberals, they aren’t really independents in the normal sense either
Yeah and I do hate to always compare to tRump but I don't know what else to do.
I like Biden but I think Buttigieg and/or Gavin Newsom should run in 2024. I'm not impressed with Harris at all. Prior to the election I thought she was good...I just don't see it now.
And for GOP hypocrisy look no further than the hurricane response. Those fucking assholes that voted against hurricane relief when it hit blue states sure are begging for aid right now.
I am actually pretty shocked at just how little I think of Harris nowadays.
Regarding the recent gaffe...this one really is one of the cringy/funny gaffes and nothing to get all crazy about. But I am on record of not really being a Joe fan...and thinking his age is definitely a negative for the job as president.
I am not a big fan of the Dems for sure, but dammit they need to make sure Trump or DeSantis aren't the next president. Whatever it takes if it's against trump...
Look - here's the thing... and I do not know how many times I have to say it before someone understands it.
I have been a conservative voter. Then mixed. However I haven't voted for a single conservative (city, state, national) since 2016 due to the direction of the national party and the crazy locals it brought out.
So - me pointing out I want the Dems to run someone to beat Trump or DeSantis is because I don't like the direction of the party that I already left. They need to rack up loss after loss after loss to hopefully re-shape the party....who knows if even possible. I thought part of cleaning house was ot leave the party and vote against it if you don't believe in their platform anymore?
It gets old having someone continually assume and incorrectly state that you support a certain person or party when it is not true and hasn't been the case for sometime. And then any criticism against current Dems is met with fake accusations of dismissing Trump and other's behaviors. It's just not true, it's old and it's tiresome.
You are the exception not the rule within your party. I respect that. I wish more saw it
I’ll say it over and over because it’s so clear to me…. Trump isn’t a Republican. I just wish more republicans saw that. It’s pretty obvious
minus gerrymandering looking at the country as a whole, democrats have carried the largest vote share in 7 of the last 8 presidential elections. The country leans left, no question. Republicans needed to bring in the crazies to boost numbers. Finding out how to deal with them is an entirely different proposition. It may be impossible. Until the traditional republicans leave and they lose numbers again they won’t be forced to rebalance the platform. Right now traditional republicans are going along. They might not like it but they are
he just said, its not his party since 2016
And I voted for Obama in 2008....Started my shift away from the party then. Though I admit I actually like a lot about Mitt Romney and voted for him and would again against many others. It sucks when you see what happened to the party. A vast majority are hypocrites. I know views change over time, but that's not what is happening. I agree, it is hypocritical of anyone talking about Biden blunders and any dementia and defending trump and his nonsense. That is part of the hypocrisy I am talking about.
Yeah and I do hate to always compare to tRump but I don't know what else to do.
I like Biden but I think Buttigieg and/or Gavin Newsom should run in 2024. I'm not impressed with Harris at all. Prior to the election I thought she was good...I just don't see it now.
And for GOP hypocrisy look no further than the hurricane response. Those fucking assholes that voted against hurricane relief when it hit blue states sure are begging for aid right now.
I am actually pretty shocked at just how little I think of Harris nowadays.
Regarding the recent gaffe...this one really is one of the cringy/funny gaffes and nothing to get all crazy about. But I am on record of not really being a Joe fan...and thinking his age is definitely a negative for the job as president.
I am not a big fan of the Dems for sure, but dammit they need to make sure Trump or DeSantis aren't the next president. Whatever it takes if it's against trump...
Ahem.
So you don't want the Dems to win the next presidential election? I am stating that I do not agree with the dems on a decent number of issues ("not a big fan") but I really hope they are able to defeat the Rep in next election especially if it is Trump or Desantis. "Whatever it takes" means I'm voting Dems and I hope the party is willing to do whatever it takes to win cause the alternative is terrible IMO.
Look - here's the thing... and I do not know how many times I have to say it before someone understands it.
I have been a conservative voter. Then mixed. However I haven't voted for a single conservative (city, state, national) since 2016 due to the direction of the national party and the crazy locals it brought out.
So - me pointing out I want the Dems to run someone to beat Trump or DeSantis is because I don't like the direction of the party that I already left. They need to rack up loss after loss after loss to hopefully re-shape the party....who knows if even possible. I thought part of cleaning house was ot leave the party and vote against it if you don't believe in their platform anymore?
It gets old having someone continually assume and incorrectly state that you support a certain person or party when it is not true and hasn't been the case for sometime. And then any criticism against current Dems is met with fake accusations of dismissing Trump and other's behaviors. It's just not true, it's old and it's tiresome.
You are the exception not the rule within your party. I respect that. I wish more saw it
I’ll say it over and over because it’s so clear to me…. Trump isn’t a Republican. I just wish more republicans saw that. It’s pretty obvious
minus gerrymandering looking at the country as a whole, democrats have carried the largest vote share in 7 of the last 8 presidential elections. The country leans left, no question. Republicans needed to bring in the crazies to boost numbers. Finding out how to deal with them is an entirely different proposition. It may be impossible. Until the traditional republicans leave and they lose numbers again they won’t be forced to rebalance the platform. Right now traditional republicans are going along. They might not like it but they are
he just said, its not his party since 2016
“Former party”
that’s the point though. That’s the exception not the rule. There isn’t huge numbers of traditional republicans who see that as an option.
seems to me he is a traditional republican in ideology still. And there isn’t anything wrong with that. I might not agree with a traditional republican but I can see where they are coming from.
The George Conway wing gets traction from democrats not fracturing the Republican Party. He isn’t a democrat not even close. Not sure how to characterise these voters. They aren’t liberals, they aren’t really independents in the normal sense either
I do not see Trump or this version of the GOP as traditional in anyway:
1) No personal responsibility 2) Not balancing budget or even pretending to care about $ other than on what someone else wants to spend 3) Freedoms - I see the move towards government interference on numerous issues including Gay rights as a shift away from true conservative, limited government ideals and a move further towards a religious party. I guess bottom line - it's the move towards a full blown hypocritical religious party that has driven me away.
And now the republican party wants to align themselves with dictators and strongmen instead of being the party that helps support people's right to freedom (supporting Ukraine, etc.). That is a HUGE shift. Seismic.
Look - here's the thing... and I do not know how many times I have to say it before someone understands it.
I have been a conservative voter. Then mixed. However I haven't voted for a single conservative (city, state, national) since 2016 due to the direction of the national party and the crazy locals it brought out.
So - me pointing out I want the Dems to run someone to beat Trump or DeSantis is because I don't like the direction of the party that I already left. They need to rack up loss after loss after loss to hopefully re-shape the party....who knows if even possible. I thought part of cleaning house was ot leave the party and vote against it if you don't believe in their platform anymore?
It gets old having someone continually assume and incorrectly state that you support a certain person or party when it is not true and hasn't been the case for sometime. And then any criticism against current Dems is met with fake accusations of dismissing Trump and other's behaviors. It's just not true, it's old and it's tiresome.
You are the exception not the rule within your party. I respect that. I wish more saw it
I’ll say it over and over because it’s so clear to me…. Trump isn’t a Republican. I just wish more republicans saw that. It’s pretty obvious
minus gerrymandering looking at the country as a whole, democrats have carried the largest vote share in 7 of the last 8 presidential elections. The country leans left, no question. Republicans needed to bring in the crazies to boost numbers. Finding out how to deal with them is an entirely different proposition. It may be impossible. Until the traditional republicans leave and they lose numbers again they won’t be forced to rebalance the platform. Right now traditional republicans are going along. They might not like it but they are
he just said, its not his party since 2016
“Former party”
that’s the point though. That’s the exception not the rule. There isn’t huge numbers of traditional republicans who see that as an option.
seems to me he is a traditional republican in ideology still. And there isn’t anything wrong with that. I might not agree with a traditional republican but I can see where they are coming from.
The George Conway wing gets traction from democrats not fracturing the Republican Party. He isn’t a democrat not even close. Not sure how to characterise these voters. They aren’t liberals, they aren’t really independents in the normal sense either
I do not see Trump or this version of the GOP as traditional in anyway:
1) No personal responsibility 2) Not balancing budget or even pretending to care about $ other than on what someone else wants to spend 3) Freedoms - I see the move towards government interference on numerous issues including Gay rights as a shift away from true conservative, limited government ideals and a move further towards a religious party. I guess bottom line - it's the move towards a full blown hypocritical religious party that has driven me away.
And now the republican party wants to align themselves with dictators and strongmen instead of being the party that helps support people's right to freedom (supporting Ukraine, etc.). That is a HUGE shift. Seismic.
Exactly. That’s what I’m saying. Trump isn’t a Republican so anyone who leaves still probably is a Republican. The party they left isn’t Republican.
I just don’t see that happening in huge numbers. They aren’t becoming liberals either. They may vote that way but they aren’t ideologically liberal
It’s dangerous for the democrats to rely on the disaffected Republican vote. You are relying on people who just disagree with you less. They don’t like you still.
Look - here's the thing... and I do not know how many times I have to say it before someone understands it.
I have been a conservative voter. Then mixed. However I haven't voted for a single conservative (city, state, national) since 2016 due to the direction of the national party and the crazy locals it brought out.
So - me pointing out I want the Dems to run someone to beat Trump or DeSantis is because I don't like the direction of the party that I already left. They need to rack up loss after loss after loss to hopefully re-shape the party....who knows if even possible. I thought part of cleaning house was ot leave the party and vote against it if you don't believe in their platform anymore?
It gets old having someone continually assume and incorrectly state that you support a certain person or party when it is not true and hasn't been the case for sometime. And then any criticism against current Dems is met with fake accusations of dismissing Trump and other's behaviors. It's just not true, it's old and it's tiresome.
You are the exception not the rule within your party. I respect that. I wish more saw it
I’ll say it over and over because it’s so clear to me…. Trump isn’t a Republican. I just wish more republicans saw that. It’s pretty obvious
minus gerrymandering looking at the country as a whole, democrats have carried the largest vote share in 7 of the last 8 presidential elections. The country leans left, no question. Republicans needed to bring in the crazies to boost numbers. Finding out how to deal with them is an entirely different proposition. It may be impossible. Until the traditional republicans leave and they lose numbers again they won’t be forced to rebalance the platform. Right now traditional republicans are going along. They might not like it but they are
he just said, its not his party since 2016
“Former party”
that’s the point though. That’s the exception not the rule. There isn’t huge numbers of traditional republicans who see that as an option.
seems to me he is a traditional republican in ideology still. And there isn’t anything wrong with that. I might not agree with a traditional republican but I can see where they are coming from.
The George Conway wing gets traction from democrats not fracturing the Republican Party. He isn’t a democrat not even close. Not sure how to characterise these voters. They aren’t liberals, they aren’t really independents in the normal sense either
I do not see Trump or this version of the GOP as traditional in anyway:
1) No personal responsibility 2) Not balancing budget or even pretending to care about $ other than on what someone else wants to spend 3) Freedoms - I see the move towards government interference on numerous issues including Gay rights as a shift away from true conservative, limited government ideals and a move further towards a religious party. I guess bottom line - it's the move towards a full blown hypocritical religious party that has driven me away.
And now the republican party wants to align themselves with dictators and strongmen instead of being the party that helps support people's right to freedom (supporting Ukraine, etc.). That is a HUGE shift. Seismic.
Exactly. That’s what I’m saying. Trump isn’t a Republican so anyone who leaves still probably is a Republican. The party they left isn’t Republican.
I just don’t see that happening in huge numbers. They aren’t becoming liberals either. They may vote that way but they aren’t ideologically liberal
It’s dangerous for the democrats to rely on the disaffected Republican vote. You are relying on people who just disagree with you less. They don’t like you still.
Ah I got you. I agree. I really thought there would be more people leaving GOP and voting Dems in 2016....didn't happen. Thought even more in 2020...nope. I guess it's one thing I've be overly optimistic about instead of a realist.
I am concerned with a report I heard on MSNBC or CNN that the hispanic vote is shifting more GOP....likely due to religion as well as taxes/paying for other people. I honestly never imagined that. I wonder what it will look like in the long term.
Look - here's the thing... and I do not know how many times I have to say it before someone understands it.
I have been a conservative voter. Then mixed. However I haven't voted for a single conservative (city, state, national) since 2016 due to the direction of the national party and the crazy locals it brought out.
So - me pointing out I want the Dems to run someone to beat Trump or DeSantis is because I don't like the direction of the party that I already left. They need to rack up loss after loss after loss to hopefully re-shape the party....who knows if even possible. I thought part of cleaning house was ot leave the party and vote against it if you don't believe in their platform anymore?
It gets old having someone continually assume and incorrectly state that you support a certain person or party when it is not true and hasn't been the case for sometime. And then any criticism against current Dems is met with fake accusations of dismissing Trump and other's behaviors. It's just not true, it's old and it's tiresome.
You are the exception not the rule within your party. I respect that. I wish more saw it
I’ll say it over and over because it’s so clear to me…. Trump isn’t a Republican. I just wish more republicans saw that. It’s pretty obvious
minus gerrymandering looking at the country as a whole, democrats have carried the largest vote share in 7 of the last 8 presidential elections. The country leans left, no question. Republicans needed to bring in the crazies to boost numbers. Finding out how to deal with them is an entirely different proposition. It may be impossible. Until the traditional republicans leave and they lose numbers again they won’t be forced to rebalance the platform. Right now traditional republicans are going along. They might not like it but they are
he just said, its not his party since 2016
And I voted for Obama in 2008....Started my shift away from the party then. Though I admit I actually like a lot about Mitt Romney and voted for him and would again against many others. It sucks when you see what happened to the party. A vast majority are hypocrites. I know views change over time, but that's not what is happening. I agree, it is hypocritical of anyone talking about Biden blunders and any dementia and defending trump and his nonsense. That is part of the hypocrisy I am talking about.
I would have been ok with Romney. I just don't trust the party anymore.
I actually voted for Kerry over Bush due to Bush going to war and cutting taxes at the same time. That pissed me off as it made the deficits soar again and the war was obviously suspect.
I would have voted for McCain except for Palin....fuck that.
That's pretty much when I started to convert. I used to be a Limbaugh listening dittohead during the early 90's.
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Just wait until gas prices start soaring again. Joey pudding brain Softserve has emptied the reserves we all paid for to try to get to the midterms with lower prices to save his party’s ass. Up up and away for the house plant OTUS’s gas prices. 2023 is going to see a lot of people losing their jobs too. Gonna suck ass before things get better.
So to be clear, you are
1. Against using the strategic reserve that helped to reduce prices for the last year. You believe it would have been better for the President to do nothing. 2. Against supporting Ukraine in their fight against Russia. This is certainly a cause of the gas price spike. 3. Against continuing to support Ukraine, considering OPEC+ handed a lifeline to Russia today by agreeing to cut production by 2 MM bpd. This will undoubtedly increase prices.
So with that, and considering your geopolitical chops compared to the Biden administration, tell us what you would have done regarding the Ukraine War, supply chain issues, etc. that would have kept the gas prices in check. Give us your strategy.
Just wait until gas prices start soaring again. Joey pudding brain Softserve has emptied the reserves we all paid for to try to get to the midterms with lower prices to save his party’s ass. Up up and away for the house plant OTUS’s gas prices. 2023 is going to see a lot of people losing their jobs too. Gonna suck ass before things get better.
So to be clear, you are
1. Against using the strategic reserve that helped to reduce prices for the last year. You believe it would have been better for the President to do nothing. 2. Against supporting Ukraine in their fight against Russia. This is certainly a cause of the gas price spike. 3. Against continuing to support Ukraine, considering OPEC+ handed a lifeline to Russia today by agreeing to cut production by 2 MM bpd. This will undoubtedly increase prices.
So with that, and considering your geopolitical chops compared to the Biden administration, tell us what you would have done regarding the Ukraine War, supply chain issues, etc. that would have kept the gas prices in check. Give us your strategy.
The strategic oil reserves were more full when trump took office than they were when he left
Strategic oil reserves remain well above where they were in the 80’s and that was far more of a potential issue in the event of an oil disruption. There is more than twice the oil in there than there was in 1982
our domestic production capability means we probably need less than in the 80’s not more
To fill it up requires congress and money. That’s going to be partisan no matter who is in charge. Using what’s already there I assume the president has quite a lot of latitude. If republicans take the house, they wouldn’t allow Biden to fill it anyway
Just wait until gas prices start soaring again. Joey pudding brain Softserve has emptied the reserves we all paid for to try to get to the midterms with lower prices to save his party’s ass. Up up and away for the house plant OTUS’s gas prices. 2023 is going to see a lot of people losing their jobs too. Gonna suck ass before things get better.
So to be clear, you are
1. Against using the strategic reserve that helped to reduce prices for the last year. You believe it would have been better for the President to do nothing. 2. Against supporting Ukraine in their fight against Russia. This is certainly a cause of the gas price spike. 3. Against continuing to support Ukraine, considering OPEC+ handed a lifeline to Russia today by agreeing to cut production by 2 MM bpd. This will undoubtedly increase prices.
So with that, and considering your geopolitical chops compared to the Biden administration, tell us what you would have done regarding the Ukraine War, supply chain issues, etc. that would have kept the gas prices in check. Give us your strategy.
The strategic oil reserves were more full when trump took office than they were when he left
Strategic oil reserves remain well above where they were in the 80’s and that was far more of a potential issue in the event of an oil disruption. There is more than twice the oil in there than there was in 1982
our domestic production capability means we probably need less than in the 80’s not more
I agree with all that. This was built coming out of the 70s crisis. I'm just curious what all the arm chair qbs would have done to keep oil prices low. I'm sure RoleModels doesn't have mush for brains, so I bet he has an awesome plan that no one else thought of. So I'd like to hear it.
Just wait until gas prices start soaring again. Joey pudding brain Softserve has emptied the reserves we all paid for to try to get to the midterms with lower prices to save his party’s ass. Up up and away for the house plant OTUS’s gas prices. 2023 is going to see a lot of people losing their jobs too. Gonna suck ass before things get better.
So to be clear, you are
1. Against using the strategic reserve that helped to reduce prices for the last year. You believe it would have been better for the President to do nothing. 2. Against supporting Ukraine in their fight against Russia. This is certainly a cause of the gas price spike. 3. Against continuing to support Ukraine, considering OPEC+ handed a lifeline to Russia today by agreeing to cut production by 2 MM bpd. This will undoubtedly increase prices.
So with that, and considering your geopolitical chops compared to the Biden administration, tell us what you would have done regarding the Ukraine War, supply chain issues, etc. that would have kept the gas prices in check. Give us your strategy.
The strategic oil reserves were more full when trump took office than they were when he left
Strategic oil reserves remain well above where they were in the 80’s and that was far more of a potential issue in the event of an oil disruption. There is more than twice the oil in there than there was in 1982
our domestic production capability means we probably need less than in the 80’s not more
I agree with all that. This was built coming out of the 70s crisis. I'm just curious what all the arm chair qbs would have done to keep oil prices low. I'm sure RoleModels doesn't have mush for brains, so I bet he has an awesome plan that no one else thought of. So I'd like to hear it.
All I see is world events happening and blaming a president.
it’s about the most absurd thing to blame a president for gas prices no matter if it’s Trump or Biden.
As long as oil isn’t nationalised (socialised or communist or whatever republicans claim to hate) a president has limited power here
gas prices aren’t Bush’s fault, Obama’s, Trumps, or Biden’s.
Oil companies don’t even really want to develop US oil until gas prices are high because it’s not as accessible or easy as elsewhere. We do have a lot of potential oil here, it’s expensive to get and that’s not going to make gas cheap
a president can ease the shock of prices with the strategic reserves, they cannot set prices though
Plus like no time in our history you don’t need a gas vehicle. Don’t like gas prices? Don’t use gas.
Simple Republican free market dynamics.
EV’s are capable, affordable, and can do anything your gas powered vehicle does. Often times more
gas prices should be a non issue. It’s not like the water company charging 8 bucks a gallon for water and you will die if you can’t pay for it.
There is a war going on, prices are high. How about some conserving? Behaviour changes? Gas prices are only high in practice if you carry on with the same usage as before.
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so you can hitch your wagon to the hope and prayer that things in the GOP are going to chance with a snap of fingers…or you can embrace reality and hope that the dems run someone who will beat them.
Typical repub tactic, blame everyone else and absolve yourselves of any responsibility for the shit show of a mess we’re in, all the while refusing to offer any policy ideas for any of our challenges whilst wrapping yourselves in the flag of hypocrisy. While our current party leader is forgetting someone’s name who passed away, your party leader is making veiled threats against your party’s senate leader and disparaging his wife with racist asides. And which did you complain about?
Clean up the fucking mess.
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The party of personal responsibility will have you know it's the democrats' fault if a republican gets voted into office in 2024.
I have been a conservative voter. Then mixed. However I haven't voted for a single conservative (city, state, national) since 2016 due to the direction of the national party and the crazy locals it brought out.
So - me pointing out I want the Dems to run someone to beat Trump or DeSantis is because I don't like the direction of the party that I already left. They need to rack up loss after loss after loss to hopefully re-shape the party....who knows if even possible. I thought part of cleaning house was ot leave the party and vote against it if you don't believe in their platform anymore?
It gets old having someone continually assume and incorrectly state that you support a certain person or party when it is not true and hasn't been the case for sometime. And then any criticism against current Dems is met with fake accusations of dismissing Trump and other's behaviors. It's just not true, it's old and it's tiresome.
I’ll say it over and over because it’s so clear to me…. Trump isn’t a Republican. I just wish more republicans saw that. It’s pretty obvious
minus gerrymandering looking at the country as a whole, democrats have carried the largest vote share in 7 of the last 8 presidential elections. The country leans left, no question. Republicans needed to bring in the crazies to boost numbers. Finding out how to deal with them is an entirely different proposition. It may be impossible. Until the traditional republicans leave and they lose numbers again they won’t be forced to rebalance the platform. Right now traditional republicans are going along. They might not like it but they are
To me, the dementia criticism of Biden is a carry over from the 2020 election cycle, which was never a good faith criticism in the first place. Does the guy have some slip ups? Sure. Does he stutter, making him seem slower than he is? Yes, and anyone conversing in good faith will acknowledge that. He's also a good statesman, and he's handled his role pretty damn well since taking office. There's plenty he can be criticized for, but he's done ok considering the complete shit show he inherited & everything that's happened since.
& until the next election, Biden will always be compared to trump, because those were our only choices two years ago. There were literally no other options, so that comparison is fair, at least for his 1st term.
I want a younger guy in office as much as the rest of us, but like 2020, Biden might be the only guy who can beat trump again.
IDK what the answer is, but preemptively blaming democrats if trump or desantis get into office in 2024 seems pretty backwards.
he just said, its not his party since 2016
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You've since clarified that's not what you meant, so be it.
that’s the point though. That’s the exception not the rule. There isn’t huge numbers of traditional republicans who see that as an option.
seems to me he is a traditional republican in ideology still. And there isn’t anything wrong with that. I might not agree with a traditional republican but I can see where they are coming from.
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Has nothing to do with blaming anyone.
1) No personal responsibility
2) Not balancing budget or even pretending to care about $ other than on what someone else wants to spend
3) Freedoms - I see the move towards government interference on numerous issues including Gay rights as a shift away from true conservative, limited government ideals and a move further towards a religious party. I guess bottom line - it's the move towards a full blown hypocritical religious party that has driven me away.
And now the republican party wants to align themselves with dictators and strongmen instead of being the party that helps support people's right to freedom (supporting Ukraine, etc.). That is a HUGE shift. Seismic.
It’s dangerous for the democrats to rely on the disaffected Republican vote. You are relying on people who just disagree with you less. They don’t like you still.
I am concerned with a report I heard on MSNBC or CNN that the hispanic vote is shifting more GOP....likely due to religion as well as taxes/paying for other people. I honestly never imagined that. I wonder what it will look like in the long term.
I actually voted for Kerry over Bush due to Bush going to war and cutting taxes at the same time. That pissed me off as it made the deficits soar again and the war was obviously suspect.
I would have voted for McCain except for Palin....fuck that.
That's pretty much when I started to convert. I used to be a Limbaugh listening dittohead during the early 90's.
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1. Against using the strategic reserve that helped to reduce prices for the last year. You believe it would have been better for the President to do nothing.
2. Against supporting Ukraine in their fight against Russia. This is certainly a cause of the gas price spike.
3. Against continuing to support Ukraine, considering OPEC+ handed a lifeline to Russia today by agreeing to cut production by 2 MM bpd. This will undoubtedly increase prices.
So with that, and considering your geopolitical chops compared to the Biden administration, tell us what you would have done regarding the Ukraine War, supply chain issues, etc. that would have kept the gas prices in check. Give us your strategy.
Strategic oil reserves remain well above where they were in the 80’s and that was far more of a potential issue in the event of an oil disruption. There is more than twice the oil in there than there was in 1982
our domestic production capability means we probably need less than in the 80’s not more
To fill it up requires congress and money. That’s going to be partisan no matter who is in charge. Using what’s already there I assume the president has quite a lot of latitude. If republicans take the house, they wouldn’t allow Biden to fill it anyway
it’s about the most absurd thing to blame a president for gas prices no matter if it’s Trump or Biden.
gas prices aren’t Bush’s fault, Obama’s, Trumps, or Biden’s.
a president can ease the shock of prices with the strategic reserves, they cannot set prices though
EV’s are capable, affordable, and can do anything your gas powered vehicle does. Often times more
gas prices should be a non issue. It’s not like the water company charging 8 bucks a gallon for water and you will die if you can’t pay for it.