Why do people still cling to Dave Abbruzzese as being the "best" drummer"

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  • Cropduster-80
    Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    How can Dave A be their “best” drummer if he only participated in only 3 out of 32 years of the bands career?  I mean we are talking about ten percent of their history is with Dave.   
    How can Sean Connery be the "best" Bond if he only participated in only 9 out of 59 years of the series career? I mean, we are talking about fifteen percent of the history is with Sean.
    You have a point 😂

    That is absolutely true 
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,236
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    How can Dave A be their “best” drummer if he only participated in only 3 out of 32 years of the bands career?  I mean we are talking about ten percent of their history is with Dave.   
    How can Sean Connery be the "best" Bond if he only participated in only 9 out of 59 years of the series career? I mean, we are talking about fifteen percent of the history is with Sean.
    Playing 7 out of 26* bond films equals 26%.    Plus we all know George Lanzby is the best bond. 
    Side note: apples to oranges comparison.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,236
    Cropduster-80 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    How can Dave A be their “best” drummer if he only participated in only 3 out of 32 years of the bands career?  I mean we are talking about ten percent of their history is with Dave.   
    How can Sean Connery be the "best" Bond if he only participated in only 9 out of 59 years of the series career? I mean, we are talking about fifteen percent of the history is with Sean.
    You have a point 😂

    That is absolutely true 
    No he doesn’t.  Please don’t encourage him.  ;)
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,689
    droptheleash9 said:
    Sometimes I think Dave A. has like 15 burner accounts on here and uses those to proliferate a fake obsession with him. It’s the only way that I could logically explain why people are so focused on a person who was only with the band for a quick cup of coffee, brought next to nothing to the table from a song-writing perspective, and has taken stances on issues that run counter to those that the band has been very vocal about over the years. I have nothing against the guy personally but it always struck me as odd that people went out of their way to defend him or push for him to be included in things the band does.
    I think because he’s portrayed himself as a victim so people want to rally around him and advocate for him. Contrast that with Jack Irons, where people just say he’s awesome and leave it at that. 
  • Cropduster-80
    Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    Go Beavers said:
    droptheleash9 said:
    Sometimes I think Dave A. has like 15 burner accounts on here and uses those to proliferate a fake obsession with him. It’s the only way that I could logically explain why people are so focused on a person who was only with the band for a quick cup of coffee, brought next to nothing to the table from a song-writing perspective, and has taken stances on issues that run counter to those that the band has been very vocal about over the years. I have nothing against the guy personally but it always struck me as odd that people went out of their way to defend him or push for him to be included in things the band does.
    I think because he’s portrayed himself as a victim so people want to rally around him and advocate for him. Contrast that with Jack Irons, where people just say he’s awesome and leave it at that. 
    I think there is something to that.

    had PJ fought to get him in the HOF and had their relationship been repaired I think people would move on.  He is the underdog in a lot of ways. People like that 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,674
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    How can Dave A be their “best” drummer if he only participated in only 3 out of 32 years of the bands career?  I mean we are talking about ten percent of their history is with Dave.   
    How can Sean Connery be the "best" Bond if he only participated in only 9 out of 59 years of the series career? I mean, we are talking about fifteen percent of the history is with Sean.
    Playing 7 out of 26* bond films equals 26%.    Plus we all know George Lanzby is the best bond. 
    Side note: apples to oranges comparison.  
    Playing drums for Pearl Jam on five out five years of the band being the "top of mind" rockband in the world equals 100%. Plus we all know Neil Young is the best Pearl Jam guitarist.
    Side note: Rock drummer to M16-agent comparison
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,236
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    How can Dave A be their “best” drummer if he only participated in only 3 out of 32 years of the bands career?  I mean we are talking about ten percent of their history is with Dave.   
    How can Sean Connery be the "best" Bond if he only participated in only 9 out of 59 years of the series career? I mean, we are talking about fifteen percent of the history is with Sean.
    Playing 7 out of 26* bond films equals 26%.    Plus we all know George Lanzby is the best bond. 
    Side note: apples to oranges comparison.  
    Playing drums for Pearl Jam on five out five years of the band being the "top of mind" rockband in the world equals 100%. Plus we all know Neil Young is the best Pearl Jam guitarist.
    Side note: Rock drummer to M16-agent comparison
    Dave's first show was on August 23, 1991 and his last show was on April 17, 1994; so 2 years and 8 months.  Definitely not a lot of time with the band.    
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Cropduster-80
    Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    How can Dave A be their “best” drummer if he only participated in only 3 out of 32 years of the bands career?  I mean we are talking about ten percent of their history is with Dave.   
    How can Sean Connery be the "best" Bond if he only participated in only 9 out of 59 years of the series career? I mean, we are talking about fifteen percent of the history is with Sean.
    Playing 7 out of 26* bond films equals 26%.    Plus we all know George Lanzby is the best bond. 
    Side note: apples to oranges comparison.  
    Playing drums for Pearl Jam on five out five years of the band being the "top of mind" rockband in the world equals 100%. Plus we all know Neil Young is the best Pearl Jam guitarist.
    Side note: Rock drummer to M16-agent comparison
    Dave's first show was on August 23, 1991 and his last show was on April 17, 1994; so 2 years and 8 months.  Definitely not a lot of time with the band.    
    Or 1.78 albums.  

    I’m more impressed 2 years 8 months came close to two complete albums 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,674
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    How can Dave A be their “best” drummer if he only participated in only 3 out of 32 years of the bands career?  I mean we are talking about ten percent of their history is with Dave.   
    How can Sean Connery be the "best" Bond if he only participated in only 9 out of 59 years of the series career? I mean, we are talking about fifteen percent of the history is with Sean.
    Playing 7 out of 26* bond films equals 26%.    Plus we all know George Lanzby is the best bond. 
    Side note: apples to oranges comparison.  
    Playing drums for Pearl Jam on five out five years of the band being the "top of mind" rockband in the world equals 100%. Plus we all know Neil Young is the best Pearl Jam guitarist.
    Side note: Rock drummer to M16-agent comparison
    Dave's first show was on August 23, 1991 and his last show was on April 17, 1994; so 2 years and 8 months.  Definitely not a lot of time with the band.    
    haha. I realised after the fact that I had just listed years PJ was the talk of the town without even counting in Dave in the equation. But was to busy with other things to edit my post. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,236
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    How can Dave A be their “best” drummer if he only participated in only 3 out of 32 years of the bands career?  I mean we are talking about ten percent of their history is with Dave.   
    How can Sean Connery be the "best" Bond if he only participated in only 9 out of 59 years of the series career? I mean, we are talking about fifteen percent of the history is with Sean.
    Playing 7 out of 26* bond films equals 26%.    Plus we all know George Lanzby is the best bond. 
    Side note: apples to oranges comparison.  
    Playing drums for Pearl Jam on five out five years of the band being the "top of mind" rockband in the world equals 100%. Plus we all know Neil Young is the best Pearl Jam guitarist.
    Side note: Rock drummer to M16-agent comparison
    Dave's first show was on August 23, 1991 and his last show was on April 17, 1994; so 2 years and 8 months.  Definitely not a lot of time with the band.    
    haha. I realised after the fact that I had just listed years PJ was the talk of the town without even counting in Dave in the equation. But was to busy with other things to edit my post. 
    All good but because of your mistake you now owe me a beer 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • OffSheGoes35
    OffSheGoes35 Posts: 3,517
    edited August 2022
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    How can Dave A be their “best” drummer if he only participated in only 3 out of 32 years of the bands career?  I mean we are talking about ten percent of their history is with Dave.   
    How can Sean Connery be the "best" Bond if he only participated in only 9 out of 59 years of the series career? I mean, we are talking about fifteen percent of the history is with Sean.
    Playing 7 out of 26* bond films equals 26%.    Plus we all know George Lanzby is the best bond. 
    Side note: apples to oranges comparison.  
    Playing drums for Pearl Jam on five out five years of the band being the "top of mind" rockband in the world equals 100%. Plus we all know Neil Young is the best Pearl Jam guitarist.
    Side note: Rock drummer to M16-agent comparison
    Dave's first show was on August 23, 1991 and his last show was on April 17, 1994; so 2 years and 8 months.  Definitely not a lot of time with the band.    
    haha. I realised after the fact that I had just listed years PJ was the talk of the town without even counting in Dave in the equation. But was to busy with other things to edit my post. 
    All good but because of your mistake you now owe me a beer 
    Maybe we can get an Agnes part 2 thread out of this! 
    Post edited by OffSheGoes35 on
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,236
    OffSheGoes35 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    How can Dave A be their “best” drummer if he only participated in only 3 out of 32 years of the bands career?  I mean we are talking about ten percent of their history is with Dave.   
    How can Sean Connery be the "best" Bond if he only participated in only 9 out of 59 years of the series career? I mean, we are talking about fifteen percent of the history is with Sean.
    Playing 7 out of 26* bond films equals 26%.    Plus we all know George Lanzby is the best bond. 
    Side note: apples to oranges comparison.  
    Playing drums for Pearl Jam on five out five years of the band being the "top of mind" rockband in the world equals 100%. Plus we all know Neil Young is the best Pearl Jam guitarist.
    Side note: Rock drummer to M16-agent comparison
    Dave's first show was on August 23, 1991 and his last show was on April 17, 1994; so 2 years and 8 months.  Definitely not a lot of time with the band.    
    haha. I realised after the fact that I had just listed years PJ was the talk of the town without even counting in Dave in the equation. But was to busy with other things to edit my post. 
    All good but because of your mistake you now owe me a beer 
    Maybe we can get Agnes part 2 thread out of this!
    I think the Agnes thread lasted longer than Dave s drumming in the band lol.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Cropduster-80
    Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited August 2022
    OffSheGoes35 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    How can Dave A be their “best” drummer if he only participated in only 3 out of 32 years of the bands career?  I mean we are talking about ten percent of their history is with Dave.   
    How can Sean Connery be the "best" Bond if he only participated in only 9 out of 59 years of the series career? I mean, we are talking about fifteen percent of the history is with Sean.
    Playing 7 out of 26* bond films equals 26%.    Plus we all know George Lanzby is the best bond. 
    Side note: apples to oranges comparison.  
    Playing drums for Pearl Jam on five out five years of the band being the "top of mind" rockband in the world equals 100%. Plus we all know Neil Young is the best Pearl Jam guitarist.
    Side note: Rock drummer to M16-agent comparison
    Dave's first show was on August 23, 1991 and his last show was on April 17, 1994; so 2 years and 8 months.  Definitely not a lot of time with the band.    
    haha. I realised after the fact that I had just listed years PJ was the talk of the town without even counting in Dave in the equation. But was to busy with other things to edit my post. 
    All good but because of your mistake you now owe me a beer 
    Maybe we can get an Agnes part 2 thread out of this! 
    124 pages to get that joke, I’m out 

    Or at least for a few hours 


    Post edited by Cropduster-80 on
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,236
    Cropduster-80 said:
    OffSheGoes35 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    How can Dave A be their “best” drummer if he only participated in only 3 out of 32 years of the bands career?  I mean we are talking about ten percent of their history is with Dave.   
    How can Sean Connery be the "best" Bond if he only participated in only 9 out of 59 years of the series career? I mean, we are talking about fifteen percent of the history is with Sean.
    Playing 7 out of 26* bond films equals 26%.    Plus we all know George Lanzby is the best bond. 
    Side note: apples to oranges comparison.  
    Playing drums for Pearl Jam on five out five years of the band being the "top of mind" rockband in the world equals 100%. Plus we all know Neil Young is the best Pearl Jam guitarist.
    Side note: Rock drummer to M16-agent comparison
    Dave's first show was on August 23, 1991 and his last show was on April 17, 1994; so 2 years and 8 months.  Definitely not a lot of time with the band.    
    haha. I realised after the fact that I had just listed years PJ was the talk of the town without even counting in Dave in the equation. But was to busy with other things to edit my post. 
    All good but because of your mistake you now owe me a beer 
    Maybe we can get an Agnes part 2 thread out of this! 
    124 pages to get that joke, I’m out 

    Or at least for a few hours 


    It was quite entertaining.   :)
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,117
    it's the nostalgia. people equate dave's time with the band as their favourite time of the band. it's not surprising it keeps coming up. 
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  • NewJPage
    NewJPage Posts: 3,324
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    it's the nostalgia. people equate dave's time with the band as their favourite time of the band. it's not surprising it keeps coming up. 
    Or it keeps coming up because people complain it keeps coming up, like this thread!
    6/26/98, 8/17/00, 10/8/00, 12/8/02, 12/9/02, 4/25/03, 5/28/03, 6/1/03, 6/3/03, 6/5/03, 6/6/03, 6/12/03, 6/13/03, 6/15/03, 6/18/03, 6/21/03, 6/22/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03, 10/3/04, 10/5/04, 9/9/05, 9/11/05, 9/16/05, 5/16/06, 5/17/06, 5/19/06, 6/30/06, 7/23/06, 8/5/07, 6/30/08, 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 5/4/10, 5/7/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/11/13, 10/17/14, 8/20/16
  • Cropduster-80
    Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    NewJPage said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    it's the nostalgia. people equate dave's time with the band as their favourite time of the band. it's not surprising it keeps coming up. 
    Or it keeps coming up because people complain it keeps coming up, like this thread!
    Like him or not Dave keeps it in the forefront. Then we discuss.

    merits of the argument aside. Dave steers this ship more than anyone 


  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,236
    When I play a boot from 92-94 I never think of the drums.  Ed s voice and the guitars are what reminds me of that time period.  I feel anybody could have drummed during that era and the results would have been the same.  
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  • Zod
    Zod Posts: 10,970
    Merkin Baller said:
    Zod said:
    I wouldn't say cling, but I do feel bad for him from time to time.

    He was the active drummer in the band when most of us got to PJ and drummed on some of their best and most influential albums.   Then, while having one of the best drumming gigs (drumming for one of the biggest rock bands during their hey dey) got canned.

    Then over the years his contributions get swept under the rug, the RRHOF snubbed him.  Even though they've inducted band members form other bands under similar situations.

    The challenge is PJ has had amazing drummers, so he's among a league of legendary drummers the band has had.   Every time PJ swapped drummers, their sound went in a different direction.

    That's my thoughts.   Not that you can't let the guy go, but moreso his contributions to the legacy of the band get swept under rug, because he got fired.

    I think his contribution is blown out of proportion based on him being in the right place at the right time.

    It's safe to say VS and Vitalogy get made with or without him. Would they have sounded differently? Of course, but they would have charged ahead with any drummer they hired after the success of Ten. If Dave A was the single biggest creative force behind those 2 albums, that's news to me. Sure, he had some songwriting credits on both albums, but not THAT many.

    Any speculation on how VS or Vitalogy would have sounded with another drummer is just that... speculation; but based on how well they've done with every drummer that's come along, it's not a stretch to suggest they would have been just fine with someone else.
    you excelated that quickly.  How does it go from me saying Dave A. contributed, to you arguing that he's not the biggest creative force in the time spent with the band.  All I said was he contributed... lol.

    Also your argument is completely valid for all other drummers PJ has had. They only have limited songwriting credits, and the albums probably would of happened with or without them.   

  • Stove
    Stove Posts: 374
    NewJPage said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    it's the nostalgia. people equate dave's time with the band as their favourite time of the band. it's not surprising it keeps coming up. 
    Or it keeps coming up because people complain it keeps coming up, like this thread!
    I'm not complaining but was curious and wanted to ask the faithful as a legitimate discussion. Because I get shit for not liking him. And I don't think his contributions were as impressive as older fans claim. That was more my point.  People just love Pearl J-angry so much and like Dave cause he beats the drums real hard. And I think it's a mute discussion and stand by my point of Dave wouldn't have barely survived past Vs. even Viatolgy sounds more like Jack Iron's influence.  It's like the same people that think Paul Di'anno should still be in Iron Maiden...still think Dave should be in PJ..

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