Why do people still cling to Dave Abbruzzese as being the "best" drummer"

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  • Stove
    Stove Posts: 370
    bmurray06 said:
    Real answer? DAnon, I mean Dave A. still clings to Dave Abbruzzese as being the "best" drummer. All the other drummers are lizard drummers.


    This makes...so much sense now.  ;)

  • Stove
    Stove Posts: 370
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Stove said:
     Can you imagine Dave playing Given to Fly? Wishlist?
    Sure why not.

    It's cool that Ace and Peter played Lick it up  on the Farewell Tour.

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  • Stove
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    Gern Blansten said:
    Why do people make threads about people saying Dave A was the best drummer?

    Yes I could imagine Dave playing on any of their records. 
    I haven't seen those threads I find it more on IG when Grunglebible posts an old clip...and there he is..behind the kit, smacking away. Playing as loud as he can b/c he thinks he's in a metal band.  Adding his little splash cymbal at the end of every verse of the song. Here comes Dave with his little soul patch, gotta hit the drums super hard! And it's just so embarrassing. And then defenders come out saying "he was the best drummer" but I'd imagine it is much of what I'd already confirmed and people have said here.  The same bunch of people that want to hear old stuff every show and haven't bought any of the new albums.
  • Stove
    Stove Posts: 370
    edited August 2022
    Cropduster-80 said:
    I agree, they were all probably the best drummers for the albums they were playing on.

    the albums changed a lot.  As did drumming styles 

    its probably based on what your favourite album is. Objectively I think MC is the best drummer overall 
    It's not objective. It's actually a fact.  :) 
  • Stove
    Stove Posts: 370
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Van Halen or Van Hagar?

    Pearl Jambruzzesse or Pearl Jack or Pearl Jameron?
    The Van Halen thing makes no sense to me. We all know the answer to that one. Chickenfoot obviously.... :D
  • mpedone
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Van Halen or Van Hagar?

    Pearl Jambruzzesse or Pearl Jack or Pearl Jameron?

    Pearl Jameron. It's just the best sounding of the three.

    (Pearl Jack sounds like Eddie's pirate name...)
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  • Stove
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    2-feign-reluctance said:
    Porch TMZ post of the day! 
    Honored and humbled.  =)
  • MisterEtake2
    MisterEtake2 Posts: 404
    It's probably only a handful of people making all of the noise.  I would say the overwhelming silent majority accept Matt as the drummer and don't even bother discussing it.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    Pearl Jam reaped the benefits of having the right drummers at the right time. Dave A during their aggressive phase. Jack during their experimental phase. And now Matt during their rock band phase. they all worked. And I'm sure their drumming influenced the phases as much as the phases influenced them. 
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  • Cropduster-80
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    edited August 2022
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Pearl Jam reaped the benefits of having the right drummers at the right time. Dave A during their aggressive phase. Jack during their experimental phase. And now Matt during their rock band phase. they all worked. And I'm sure their drumming influenced the phases as much as the phases influenced them. 
    Exactly 

    the opposite of that is to consider their catalogue as it is now which is a result of those different influences.

    who is best suited to play that wide ranging body of work as it exists now and in it’s entirety?

    it’s not Dave A for sure 
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  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,460
    Stove said:
    2-feign-reluctance said:
    Porch TMZ post of the day! 
    Honored and humbled.  =)
    LOL!! 😀
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  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    Perfect for his time and should’ve been an included member for their HoF induction.
  • Cropduster-80
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    edited August 2022
    DewieCox said:
    Perfect for his time and should’ve been an included member for their HoF induction.
    I agree

    if Josh got included as a member of RHCP, Dave should have been.  The fact one was in the band at the time and the other wasn’t shouldn’t matter 
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    the rock hall has never made any sense. 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    Someone in Pearl Jam should have, if the possibility was there, called Dave and invited him personally to come play at the RnR HoF.
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  • i am a target
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    Stove said:
    Just let it go!
         Now keep in mind that...I didn't see PJ in their heyday. So I don't have that nostalgia, like some.  And don't get me wrong he was useful for the albums he was one...And here's my thing. Dave would have not have survived past Vitalogy. He was the right drummer at the right time. Just as Jack Irons was the right drummer for No Code and Yield. I cannot imagine anyone else but Jack playing on those because he added soooo much. Can you imagine Dave playing Given to Fly? Wishlist? Dear god no. It's much in the same way Matt Cam has been the quintessential to keep the bands flow live (he is the machine after all) from first filling in plus his contributions as a songwriter. Lastly, controversial opinion.....sorry not sorry, Dave hit's too loud and added too much flare to ever little part of the songs. He wanted Pearl Jam to be a hard rock band and they are so much more. Aaaannnddd argure with me!
    Because Matt Cameron is too straight ahead. He's a fantastic drummer and there are things he does very well, but groove isn't one of them. I've always found him to be too mechanical for Pearl Jam. I do love the songs he writes, though.

    I love Dave's drumming but I think without question the best drummer they ever had was Jack Irons.
  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,460
    i am a target said:
    Stove said:
    Just let it go!
         Now keep in mind that...I didn't see PJ in their heyday. So I don't have that nostalgia, like some.  And don't get me wrong he was useful for the albums he was one...And here's my thing. Dave would have not have survived past Vitalogy. He was the right drummer at the right time. Just as Jack Irons was the right drummer for No Code and Yield. I cannot imagine anyone else but Jack playing on those because he added soooo much. Can you imagine Dave playing Given to Fly? Wishlist? Dear god no. It's much in the same way Matt Cam has been the quintessential to keep the bands flow live (he is the machine after all) from first filling in plus his contributions as a songwriter. Lastly, controversial opinion.....sorry not sorry, Dave hit's too loud and added too much flare to ever little part of the songs. He wanted Pearl Jam to be a hard rock band and they are so much more. Aaaannnddd argure with me!
    Because Matt Cameron is too straight ahead. He's a fantastic drummer and there are things he does very well, but groove isn't one of them. I've always found him to be too mechanical for Pearl Jam. I do love the songs he writes, though.

    I love Dave's drumming but I think without question the best drummer they ever had was Jack Irons.
    and now Matt Cameron doesn't groove? 

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  • Umbertotamba
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    The simple fact is the drummers are the only member in the band that is easily replaced including Matt as it was shown with all the fillings when he had Covid. When Eddie or Jeff were down their was no replacing them. At some point something could happen to Matt and he would be replaced.

    Each drummer was in the band at the right time for what was needed. Jack or Matt wouldn’t have cut it for what was needed for VS or Vitalogy. Dave was it at that time. He was apart of the band when they were at their best IMO for more than just their music but what they also stood for. I actually prefer the way Dave plays Evenflow, Matt seesm to just rush it. 

    No Code wouldn’t have been as incredible as it was with Jack’s style. I love Avocado and Backspacer and Matt’s style is weaved into that music. Also without Matt Pearl Jam members might have gone their own ways into other bands and it could have ended after Yield.

    IMO I prefer Dave A and I feel he was a part of PJ at my favorite, and he was a part of my favorite song Angel. 

    All the PJ elitists can now tell me how I’m wrong.



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  • CO278952
    CO278952 Orlando, FL Posts: 1,451
    edited August 2022
    I just watched this YouTube video last week which is basically saying right drummer right time for all involved. 

    Love Dave A era PJ!  My first show in eighth grade was Dave A’s last and second show was Irons. All the rest have been MFC. The band has been awesome in all forms. So glad Jeff / Mike / Stone and Ed have all stuck together of course!

    it’s a good video if you haven’t seen it

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  • Cropduster-80
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    edited August 2022
    Umbertotamba said:
    The simple fact is the drummers are the only member in the band that is easily replaced including Matt as it was shown with all the fillings when he had Covid. When Eddie or Jeff were down their was no replacing them. At some point something could happen to Matt and he would be replaced.

    Each drummer was in the band at the right time for what was needed. Jack or Matt wouldn’t have cut it for what was needed for VS or Vitalogy. Dave was it at that time. He was apart of the band when they were at their best IMO for more than just their music but what they also stood for. I actually prefer the way Dave plays Evenflow, Matt seesm to just rush it. 

    No Code wouldn’t have been as incredible as it was with Jack’s style. I love Avocado and Backspacer and Matt’s style is weaved into that music. Also without Matt Pearl Jam members might have gone their own ways into other bands and it could have ended after Yield.

    IMO I prefer Dave A and I feel he was a part of PJ at my favorite, and he was a part of my favorite song Angel. 

    All the PJ elitists can now tell me how I’m wrong.



    You aren’t wrong.  Except in that obviously a drummer   isn’t easily replaced.  Or it wouldn’t be such an issue coming up on 30 years later 

    I think a drummer seems more easily replaceable than they are. Maybe it’s because  it’s the one member no one really sees way in the back 
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