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Why do people still cling to Dave Abbruzzese as being the "best" drummer"

StoveStove Posts: 320
edited August 2022 in The Porch
Just let it go!
     Now keep in mind that...I didn't see PJ in their heyday. So I don't have that nostalgia, like some.  And don't get me wrong he was useful for the albums he was one...And here's my thing. Dave would have not have survived past Vitalogy. He was the right drummer at the right time. Just as Jack Irons was the right drummer for No Code and Yield. I cannot imagine anyone else but Jack playing on those because he added soooo much. Can you imagine Dave playing Given to Fly? Wishlist? Dear god no. It's much in the same way Matt Cam has been the quintessential to keep the bands flow live (he is the machine after all) from first filling in plus his contributions as a songwriter. Lastly, controversial opinion.....sorry not sorry, Dave hit's too loud and added too much flare to ever little part of the songs. He wanted Pearl Jam to be a hard rock band and they are so much more. Aaaannnddd argure with me!
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  • dannydanny Posts: 2,279
    i dont get it
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,519
    Stove said:
     Can you imagine Dave playing Given to Fly? Wishlist?
    Sure why not.

    It's cool that Ace and Peter played Lick it up  on the Farewell Tour.

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  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited August 2022
    I agree, they were all probably the best drummers for the albums they were playing on.

    the albums changed a lot.  As did drumming styles 

    its probably based on what your favourite album is. Objectively I think MC is the best drummer overall 
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,448

    Nostalgia. 
  • RS65573RS65573 Posts: 2,483
    I think its just pace. We were all younger, it was faster, Dave played FAST...my friends who loved Pearl Jam then and don't now all say its because of no Dave. And its not just that, its the pace has slowed. They listen to Shinedown or something now.
  • AmishGuy91AmishGuy91 Posts: 832
    Because they are still pre-occupied with 1991
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  • drakeheuer14drakeheuer14 Posts: 4,467
    RS65573 said:
    I think its just pace. We were all younger, it was faster, Dave played FAST...my friends who loved Pearl Jam then and don't now all say its because of no Dave. And its not just that, its the pace has slowed. They listen to Shinedown or something now.
    If that is the case, they chose another great band to listen to in Shinedown. Brent has a powerhouse of a voice 
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,519
    edited August 2022
    Stove said:
    Just let it go!
         Now keep in mind that...I didn't see PJ in their heyday. So I don't have that nostalgia, like some.  And don't get me wrong he was useful for the albums he was one...And here's my thing. Dave would have not have survived past Vitalogy. He was the right drummer at the right time. Just as Jack Irons was the right drummer for No Code and Yield. I cannot imagine anyone else but Jack playing on those because he added soooo much. Can you imagine Dave playing Given to Fly? Wishlist? Dear god no. It's much in the same way Matt Cam has been the quintessential to keep the bands flow live (he is the machine after all) from first filling in plus his contributions as a songwriter. Lastly, controversial opinion.....sorry not sorry, Dave hit's too loud and added too much flare to ever little part of the songs. He wanted Pearl Jam to be a hard rock band and they are so much more. Aaaannnddd argure with me!
    You argument is weirdly fatalistic. Like time is set in stone, and Wishlist had to be written and played, and played just like it was recorded in some sole timeline that is the only one that could have existed. Very weird way to view time. 

    If Dave A was around. No Code would have been a different album. The timeline would have been completely different, and the butterfly effect could have made that grammy-winning, influential and record breaking album replacing No Code cause James Cameron to skip making Avatar and instead working on a real and amazing Terminator 3. And give us world peace.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,260
    Why do people make threads about people saying Dave A was the best drummer?

    Yes I could imagine Dave playing on any of their records. 
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,448
    edited August 2022

    How does Ed sleep at night knowing that he blew our only chance for world peace when he kicked Dave A out of the band? 
  • bmurray06bmurray06 Posts: 148
    Real answer? DAnon, I mean Dave A. still clings to Dave Abbruzzese as being the "best" drummer. All the other drummers are lizard drummers.


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  • ClapperClapper Posts: 208
    It's the same people that  think we still live in 1994, that no new fans of the band should have been allowed after they became fans, that as early fans they should have exclusive access to front row or GA at their selected shows at all times in perpetuity and that that they are being "ripped off" by tickets that have a face value isn't the same as it was 30 years ago but is still half of the going rate for arena acts.  
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  • StoveStove Posts: 320
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Stove said:
    Just let it go!
         Now keep in mind that...I didn't see PJ in their heyday. So I don't have that nostalgia, like some.  And don't get me wrong he was useful for the albums he was one...And here's my thing. Dave would have not have survived past Vitalogy. He was the right drummer at the right time. Just as Jack Irons was the right drummer for No Code and Yield. I cannot imagine anyone else but Jack playing on those because he added soooo much. Can you imagine Dave playing Given to Fly? Wishlist? Dear god no. It's much in the same way Matt Cam has been the quintessential to keep the bands flow live (he is the machine after all) from first filling in plus his contributions as a songwriter. Lastly, controversial opinion.....sorry not sorry, Dave hit's too loud and added too much flare to ever little part of the songs. He wanted Pearl Jam to be a hard rock band and they are so much more. Aaaannnddd argure with me!
    You argument is weirdly fatalistic. Like time is set in stone, and Wishlist had to be written and played, and played just like it was recorded in some sole timeline that is the only one that could have existed. Very weird way to view time. 

    If Dave A was around. No Code would have been a different album. The timeline would have been completely different, and the butterfly effect could have made that grammy-winning, influential and record breaking album replacing No Code cause James Cameron to skip making Avatar and instead working on a real and amazing Terminator 3. And give us world peace.
    Fatal is a highly underrated song though.  =)
  • StoveStove Posts: 320
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Stove said:
    Just let it go!
         Now keep in mind that...I didn't see PJ in their heyday. So I don't have that nostalgia, like some.  And don't get me wrong he was useful for the albums he was one...And here's my thing. Dave would have not have survived past Vitalogy. He was the right drummer at the right time. Just as Jack Irons was the right drummer for No Code and Yield. I cannot imagine anyone else but Jack playing on those because he added soooo much. Can you imagine Dave playing Given to Fly? Wishlist? Dear god no. It's much in the same way Matt Cam has been the quintessential to keep the bands flow live (he is the machine after all) from first filling in plus his contributions as a songwriter. Lastly, controversial opinion.....sorry not sorry, Dave hit's too loud and added too much flare to ever little part of the songs. He wanted Pearl Jam to be a hard rock band and they are so much more. Aaaannnddd argure with me!
    You argument is weirdly fatalistic. Like time is set in stone, and Wishlist had to be written and played, and played just like it was recorded in some sole timeline that is the only one that could have existed. Very weird way to view time. 

    If Dave A was around. No Code would have been a different album. The timeline would have been completely different, and the butterfly effect could have made that grammy-winning, influential and record breaking album replacing No Code cause James Cameron to skip making Avatar and instead working on a real and amazing Terminator 3. And give us world peace.
    It's more in some people hem and haw about Dave was the best drummer and should still be in the band. My point is he wouldn't have survived the evolution on the band. Not by a long shot. PJ became so nuanced with softer songs. The closest I can think of Dave doing a soft song is Indifference.
  • StoveStove Posts: 320
    bmurray06 said:
    Real answer? DAnon, I mean Dave A. still clings to Dave Abbruzzese as being the "best" drummer. All the other drummers are lizard drummers.


    This makes...so much sense now.  ;)

  • StoveStove Posts: 320
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Stove said:
     Can you imagine Dave playing Given to Fly? Wishlist?
    Sure why not.

    It's cool that Ace and Peter played Lick it up  on the Farewell Tour.

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  • StoveStove Posts: 320
    Gern Blansten said:
    Why do people make threads about people saying Dave A was the best drummer?

    Yes I could imagine Dave playing on any of their records. 
    I haven't seen those threads I find it more on IG when Grunglebible posts an old clip...and there he is..behind the kit, smacking away. Playing as loud as he can b/c he thinks he's in a metal band.  Adding his little splash cymbal at the end of every verse of the song. Here comes Dave with his little soul patch, gotta hit the drums super hard! And it's just so embarrassing. And then defenders come out saying "he was the best drummer" but I'd imagine it is much of what I'd already confirmed and people have said here.  The same bunch of people that want to hear old stuff every show and haven't bought any of the new albums.
  • StoveStove Posts: 320
    edited August 2022
    Cropduster-80 said:
    I agree, they were all probably the best drummers for the albums they were playing on.

    the albums changed a lot.  As did drumming styles 

    its probably based on what your favourite album is. Objectively I think MC is the best drummer overall 
    It's not objective. It's actually a fact.  :) 
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Van Halen or Van Hagar?

    Pearl Jambruzzesse or Pearl Jack or Pearl Jameron?
    The Van Halen thing makes no sense to me. We all know the answer to that one. Chickenfoot obviously.... :D
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Van Halen or Van Hagar?

    Pearl Jambruzzesse or Pearl Jack or Pearl Jameron?

    Pearl Jameron. It's just the best sounding of the three.

    (Pearl Jack sounds like Eddie's pirate name...)
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  • MisterEtake2MisterEtake2 Posts: 393
    It's probably only a handful of people making all of the noise.  I would say the overwhelming silent majority accept Matt as the drummer and don't even bother discussing it.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 36,965
    Pearl Jam reaped the benefits of having the right drummers at the right time. Dave A during their aggressive phase. Jack during their experimental phase. And now Matt during their rock band phase. they all worked. And I'm sure their drumming influenced the phases as much as the phases influenced them. 
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  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited August 2022
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Pearl Jam reaped the benefits of having the right drummers at the right time. Dave A during their aggressive phase. Jack during their experimental phase. And now Matt during their rock band phase. they all worked. And I'm sure their drumming influenced the phases as much as the phases influenced them. 
    Exactly 

    the opposite of that is to consider their catalogue as it is now which is a result of those different influences.

    who is best suited to play that wide ranging body of work as it exists now and in it’s entirety?

    it’s not Dave A for sure 
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