Why do people still cling to Dave Abbruzzese as being the "best" drummer"

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  • emptycupinthemiddleofthesea
    emptycupinthemiddleofthesea Posts: 212
    Matt Cameron isn't just the best drummer PJ has ever had, he's the best musician PJ has ever had. Whoever said that he can't groove, obviously isn't a musician and doesn't know what they are talking about.  

    Dave used too many cymbals and he's a meathead. Not a good fit for the band. 
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  • Stove
    Stove Posts: 374
    emptycupinthemiddleofthesea said:
    Matt Cameron isn't just the best drummer PJ has ever had, he's the best musician PJ has ever had. Whoever said that he can't groove, obviously isn't a musician and doesn't know what they are talking about.  

    Dave used too many cymbals and he's a meathead. Not a good fit for the band. 
    ^This =)
  • Stove
    Stove Posts: 374
    edited August 2022
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    the rock hall has never made any sense. 
    Yeah, as for the rock n roll snub like its like..whatever...and to paraphrase Ed when they won the grammy. " I don't think it means anything." And we all know what Stone thinks of accolades....he has a special spot for them. His basement!  =)
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,674
    emptycupinthemiddleofthesea said:
    Matt Cameron isn't just the best drummer PJ has ever had, he's the best musician PJ has ever had. Whoever said that he can't groove, obviously isn't a musician and doesn't know what they are talking about.  

    Dave used too many cymbals and he's a meathead. Not a good fit for the band. 
    Whoever said that Dave uses to many cymbals and is a meathead obviously isn't much of a musician and doesn't know what they are talking about.  
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  • Stove
    Stove Posts: 374
    2-feign-reluctance said:
    i am a target said:
    Stove said:
    Just let it go!
         Now keep in mind that...I didn't see PJ in their heyday. So I don't have that nostalgia, like some.  And don't get me wrong he was useful for the albums he was one...And here's my thing. Dave would have not have survived past Vitalogy. He was the right drummer at the right time. Just as Jack Irons was the right drummer for No Code and Yield. I cannot imagine anyone else but Jack playing on those because he added soooo much. Can you imagine Dave playing Given to Fly? Wishlist? Dear god no. It's much in the same way Matt Cam has been the quintessential to keep the bands flow live (he is the machine after all) from first filling in plus his contributions as a songwriter. Lastly, controversial opinion.....sorry not sorry, Dave hit's too loud and added too much flare to ever little part of the songs. He wanted Pearl Jam to be a hard rock band and they are so much more. Aaaannnddd argure with me!
    Because Matt Cameron is too straight ahead. He's a fantastic drummer and there are things he does very well, but groove isn't one of them. I've always found him to be too mechanical for Pearl Jam. I do love the songs he writes, though.

    I love Dave's drumming but I think without question the best drummer they ever had was Jack Irons.
    and now Matt Cameron doesn't groove? 

    Steve Harvey Reaction GIF
    Yeah I was gonna say...have you heard Matt play the with the Stone and Jeff at solo section of Evenflow? RVM? Plus when Matt was actually doing drum solos in Evenflow...my god. Listen to Jesus Christ Pose, Green Disease, Save You, Once. Severed Hand! That guy swings!
  • Stove
    Stove Posts: 374
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    emptycupinthemiddleofthesea said:
    Matt Cameron isn't just the best drummer PJ has ever had, he's the best musician PJ has ever had. Whoever said that he can't groove, obviously isn't a musician and doesn't know what they are talking about.  

    Dave used too many cymbals and he's a meathead. Not a good fit for the band. 
    Whoever said that Dave uses to many cymbals and is a meathead obviously isn't much of a musician and doesn't know what they are talking about.  
    He did have too many though.... :D
  • Cropduster-80
    Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    Stove said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    emptycupinthemiddleofthesea said:
    Matt Cameron isn't just the best drummer PJ has ever had, he's the best musician PJ has ever had. Whoever said that he can't groove, obviously isn't a musician and doesn't know what they are talking about.  

    Dave used too many cymbals and he's a meathead. Not a good fit for the band. 
    Whoever said that Dave uses to many cymbals and is a meathead obviously isn't much of a musician and doesn't know what they are talking about.  
    He did have too many though.... :D

  • Stove
    Stove Posts: 374
    Cropduster-80 said:
    Stove said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    emptycupinthemiddleofthesea said:
    Matt Cameron isn't just the best drummer PJ has ever had, he's the best musician PJ has ever had. Whoever said that he can't groove, obviously isn't a musician and doesn't know what they are talking about.  

    Dave used too many cymbals and he's a meathead. Not a good fit for the band. 
    Whoever said that Dave uses to many cymbals and is a meathead obviously isn't much of a musician and doesn't know what they are talking about.  
    He did have too many though.... :D

    Well as a Sabian player good for him! ..and look at his lil adorbs overalls! 
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,689
    Clapper said:
    It's the same people that  think we still live in 1994, that no new fans of the band should have been allowed after they became fans, that as early fans they should have exclusive access to front row or GA at their selected shows at all times in perpetuity and that that they are being "ripped off" by tickets that have a face value isn't the same as it was 30 years ago but is still half of the going rate for arena acts.  
    Dave was just trolling his facebook fans about this yesterday. The guy needs to move on. 
  • NewJPage
    NewJPage Posts: 3,324
    Stove said:
    2-feign-reluctance said:
    i am a target said:
    Stove said:
    Just let it go!
         Now keep in mind that...I didn't see PJ in their heyday. So I don't have that nostalgia, like some.  And don't get me wrong he was useful for the albums he was one...And here's my thing. Dave would have not have survived past Vitalogy. He was the right drummer at the right time. Just as Jack Irons was the right drummer for No Code and Yield. I cannot imagine anyone else but Jack playing on those because he added soooo much. Can you imagine Dave playing Given to Fly? Wishlist? Dear god no. It's much in the same way Matt Cam has been the quintessential to keep the bands flow live (he is the machine after all) from first filling in plus his contributions as a songwriter. Lastly, controversial opinion.....sorry not sorry, Dave hit's too loud and added too much flare to ever little part of the songs. He wanted Pearl Jam to be a hard rock band and they are so much more. Aaaannnddd argure with me!
    Because Matt Cameron is too straight ahead. He's a fantastic drummer and there are things he does very well, but groove isn't one of them. I've always found him to be too mechanical for Pearl Jam. I do love the songs he writes, though.

    I love Dave's drumming but I think without question the best drummer they ever had was Jack Irons.
    and now Matt Cameron doesn't groove? 

    Steve Harvey Reaction GIF
    Yeah I was gonna say...have you heard Matt play the with the Stone and Jeff at solo section of Evenflow? RVM? Plus when Matt was actually doing drum solos in Evenflow...my god. Listen to Jesus Christ Pose, Green Disease, Save You, Once. Severed Hand! That guy swings!
    Those are just examples of him playing well, not grooving. Listen to Dave play Rats vs. Matt, for example. There is no comparison that Dave brought a funk groove to the band that has not been replicated. 
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  • Lost In Ohio
    Lost In Ohio Posts: 7,292
    Clapper said:
    It's the same people that  think we still live in 1994, that no new fans of the band should have been allowed after they became fans, that as early fans they should have exclusive access to front row or GA at their selected shows at all times in perpetuity and that that they are being "ripped off" by tickets that have a face value isn't the same as it was 30 years ago but is still half of the going rate for arena acts.  


    The same people who insist that they were guaranteed tickets back in 1996 or 2000.

    They also claim it's a lottery now as to who even gets tickets and that member number doesn't mean anything. (Even the 2010 days of F5 was a lottery of sorts.)
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  • i am a target
    i am a target Posts: 808
    2-feign-reluctance said:
    i am a target said:
    Stove said:
    Just let it go!
         Now keep in mind that...I didn't see PJ in their heyday. So I don't have that nostalgia, like some.  And don't get me wrong he was useful for the albums he was one...And here's my thing. Dave would have not have survived past Vitalogy. He was the right drummer at the right time. Just as Jack Irons was the right drummer for No Code and Yield. I cannot imagine anyone else but Jack playing on those because he added soooo much. Can you imagine Dave playing Given to Fly? Wishlist? Dear god no. It's much in the same way Matt Cam has been the quintessential to keep the bands flow live (he is the machine after all) from first filling in plus his contributions as a songwriter. Lastly, controversial opinion.....sorry not sorry, Dave hit's too loud and added too much flare to ever little part of the songs. He wanted Pearl Jam to be a hard rock band and they are so much more. Aaaannnddd argure with me!
    Because Matt Cameron is too straight ahead. He's a fantastic drummer and there are things he does very well, but groove isn't one of them. I've always found him to be too mechanical for Pearl Jam. I do love the songs he writes, though.

    I love Dave's drumming but I think without question the best drummer they ever had was Jack Irons.
    and now Matt Cameron doesn't groove? 

    Steve Harvey Reaction GIF
    The man doesn't have an ounce of groove in him. 

    Groove

    No groove
  • i am a target
    i am a target Posts: 808
    NewJPage said:
    Stove said:
    2-feign-reluctance said:
    i am a target said:
    Stove said:
    Just let it go!
         Now keep in mind that...I didn't see PJ in their heyday. So I don't have that nostalgia, like some.  And don't get me wrong he was useful for the albums he was one...And here's my thing. Dave would have not have survived past Vitalogy. He was the right drummer at the right time. Just as Jack Irons was the right drummer for No Code and Yield. I cannot imagine anyone else but Jack playing on those because he added soooo much. Can you imagine Dave playing Given to Fly? Wishlist? Dear god no. It's much in the same way Matt Cam has been the quintessential to keep the bands flow live (he is the machine after all) from first filling in plus his contributions as a songwriter. Lastly, controversial opinion.....sorry not sorry, Dave hit's too loud and added too much flare to ever little part of the songs. He wanted Pearl Jam to be a hard rock band and they are so much more. Aaaannnddd argure with me!
    Because Matt Cameron is too straight ahead. He's a fantastic drummer and there are things he does very well, but groove isn't one of them. I've always found him to be too mechanical for Pearl Jam. I do love the songs he writes, though.

    I love Dave's drumming but I think without question the best drummer they ever had was Jack Irons.
    and now Matt Cameron doesn't groove? 

    Steve Harvey Reaction GIF
    Yeah I was gonna say...have you heard Matt play the with the Stone and Jeff at solo section of Evenflow? RVM? Plus when Matt was actually doing drum solos in Evenflow...my god. Listen to Jesus Christ Pose, Green Disease, Save You, Once. Severed Hand! That guy swings!
    Those are just examples of him playing well, not grooving. Listen to Dave play Rats vs. Matt, for example. There is no comparison that Dave brought a funk groove to the band that has not been replicated. 
    Exactly - just listen to him attempt to play 'In My Tree' ...

    The man is an amazing drummer, but he's a metal drummer playing rock and roll.
  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,462
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    emptycupinthemiddleofthesea said:
    Matt Cameron isn't just the best drummer PJ has ever had, he's the best musician PJ has ever had. Whoever said that he can't groove, obviously isn't a musician and doesn't know what they are talking about.  

    Dave used too many cymbals and he's a meathead. Not a good fit for the band. 
    Whoever said that Dave uses to many cymbals and is a meathead obviously isn't much of a musician and doesn't know what they are talking about.  
    Agreed. Dude was like an 8 armed funkgroovebeastapus. 
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  • Stove
    Stove Posts: 374
    i am a target said:
    2-feign-reluctance said:
    i am a target said:
    Stove said:
    Just let it go!
         Now keep in mind that...I didn't see PJ in their heyday. So I don't have that nostalgia, like some.  And don't get me wrong he was useful for the albums he was one...And here's my thing. Dave would have not have survived past Vitalogy. He was the right drummer at the right time. Just as Jack Irons was the right drummer for No Code and Yield. I cannot imagine anyone else but Jack playing on those because he added soooo much. Can you imagine Dave playing Given to Fly? Wishlist? Dear god no. It's much in the same way Matt Cam has been the quintessential to keep the bands flow live (he is the machine after all) from first filling in plus his contributions as a songwriter. Lastly, controversial opinion.....sorry not sorry, Dave hit's too loud and added too much flare to ever little part of the songs. He wanted Pearl Jam to be a hard rock band and they are so much more. Aaaannnddd argure with me!
    Because Matt Cameron is too straight ahead. He's a fantastic drummer and there are things he does very well, but groove isn't one of them. I've always found him to be too mechanical for Pearl Jam. I do love the songs he writes, though.

    I love Dave's drumming but I think without question the best drummer they ever had was Jack Irons.
    and now Matt Cameron doesn't groove? 

    Steve Harvey Reaction GIF
    The man doesn't have an ounce of groove in him. 

    Groove

    No groove
    Oh will if we're going to get into that comparison. Jack is on a whole different level. And I love Jack. I don't know if Matt is really a metal or rock drummer. If you listen to the stuff he did with Wellwater Conspiracy he's again on his different plane.  And while were at Matt Cam love and more points. Matt singing backups! HeLLs yeah! For reals though, Jack is near and dear to my heart. His contributions on No Code and Yield (my fav) are legendary.
  • wwsuicide
    wwsuicide Posts: 1,404
    …because he is. 
  • Stove
    Stove Posts: 374
    i am a target said:
    NewJPage said:
    Stove said:
    2-feign-reluctance said:
    i am a target said:
    Stove said:
    Just let it go!
         Now keep in mind that...I didn't see PJ in their heyday. So I don't have that nostalgia, like some.  And don't get me wrong he was useful for the albums he was one...And here's my thing. Dave would have not have survived past Vitalogy. He was the right drummer at the right time. Just as Jack Irons was the right drummer for No Code and Yield. I cannot imagine anyone else but Jack playing on those because he added soooo much. Can you imagine Dave playing Given to Fly? Wishlist? Dear god no. It's much in the same way Matt Cam has been the quintessential to keep the bands flow live (he is the machine after all) from first filling in plus his contributions as a songwriter. Lastly, controversial opinion.....sorry not sorry, Dave hit's too loud and added too much flare to ever little part of the songs. He wanted Pearl Jam to be a hard rock band and they are so much more. Aaaannnddd argure with me!
    Because Matt Cameron is too straight ahead. He's a fantastic drummer and there are things he does very well, but groove isn't one of them. I've always found him to be too mechanical for Pearl Jam. I do love the songs he writes, though.

    I love Dave's drumming but I think without question the best drummer they ever had was Jack Irons.
    and now Matt Cameron doesn't groove? 

    Steve Harvey Reaction GIF
    Yeah I was gonna say...have you heard Matt play the with the Stone and Jeff at solo section of Evenflow? RVM? Plus when Matt was actually doing drum solos in Evenflow...my god. Listen to Jesus Christ Pose, Green Disease, Save You, Once. Severed Hand! That guy swings!
    Those are just examples of him playing well, not grooving. Listen to Dave play Rats vs. Matt, for example. There is no comparison that Dave brought a funk groove to the band that has not been replicated. 
    Exactly - just listen to him attempt to play 'In My Tree' ...

    The man is an amazing drummer, but he's a metal drummer playing rock and roll.
    For earlier reference here's Matt playing it in the 2000s. And in comparison with he can certainly play it up to tempo. They've been playing it slower for years now.
  • Stove
    Stove Posts: 374
    wwsuicide said:
    …because he is. 
    Oh ...wow.... Guess I was wrong. Thanks for the correction! I guess thats why he's still in the band eh? :|
  • KV4053
    KV4053 Mike's side, crushed up against the stage Posts: 1,514
    Cymbals.

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    Stove Posts: 374
    KV4053 said:
    Cymbals.

    You really can't go wrong with CYMBALS!

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