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tempo_n_groove said:GB281198 said:Sister Rosetta Tharpe doesn't get the recognition for her contribution to rock and roll that she deserves.0
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Adding my two cents but regarding more recent genres of music:
Big Boys - funk punk/skate punk
Throbbing Gristle - noise/industrial, they literally invented a genre.
The Doors - influenced goth/post-punk/psychedelia
The Smiths - indie/jangle pop
John Coltrane - spiritual jazz
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jdasilvaf said:Adding my two cents but regarding more recent genres of music:
Big Boys - funk punk/skate punk
Throbbing Gristle - noise/industrial, they literally invented a genre.
The Doors - influenced goth/post-punk/psychedelia
The Smiths - indie/jangle pop
John Coltrane - spiritual jazzColtrane- interesting choice!Despite being a jazz fan, I hadn't considered jazz artists affect on rock. But I think if I were to include one jazz artist on my list, it would be a toss up between Coltrane and Miles Davis. In the late 60/ early 70's, a lot of rock groups and musicians started integrating modal improvisation in their music. Coltrane was certainly instrumental that way, but Miles did more to integrate modal jazz into rock and visa versa.Good call in any case, mentioning Trane.And if we go back to pre-rock, I suppose we should also mention Louis Armstrong, Robert Johnson (I think someone did), and Charlie Parker. Maybe even Albert Ayler and Ornette Coleman who came after the advent of rock."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
brianlux said:jdasilvaf said:Adding my two cents but regarding more recent genres of music:
Big Boys - funk punk/skate punk
Throbbing Gristle - noise/industrial, they literally invented a genre.
The Doors - influenced goth/post-punk/psychedelia
The Smiths - indie/jangle pop
John Coltrane - spiritual jazzColtrane- interesting choice!Despite being a jazz fan, I hadn't considered jazz artists affect on rock. But I think if I were to include one jazz artist on my list, it would be a toss up between Coltrane and Miles Davis. In the late 60/ early 70's, a lot of rock groups and musicians started integrating modal improvisation in their music. Coltrane was certainly instrumental that way, but Miles did more to integrate modal jazz into rock and visa versa.Good call in any case, mentioning Trane.And if we go back to pre-rock, I suppose we should also mention Louis Armstrong, Robert Johnson (I think someone did), and Charlie Parker. Maybe even Albert Ayler and Ornette Coleman who came after the advent of rock.Post edited by 1ThoughtKnown on0 -
Loujoe said:tempo_n_groove said:GB281198 said:Sister Rosetta Tharpe doesn't get the recognition for her contribution to rock and roll that she deserves.0
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jdasilvaf said:Adding my two cents but regarding more recent genres of music:
Big Boys - funk punk/skate punk
Throbbing Gristle - noise/industrial, they literally invented a genre.
The Doors - influenced goth/post-punk/psychedelia
The Smiths - indie/jangle pop
John Coltrane - spiritual jazz
I thought about the Smiths or the Cure. They definitely changed the music landscape in one way or the other. I think the Smiths brought on that next wave of British music wheras The Cure gave birth to The Smiths.0 -
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women were taken seriously in music long before alanis. look at the 60's and how many groups were fronted by women. it was the late 70's and 80's where they were repressed, and the 90's allowed them free reign again.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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HughFreakingDillon said:women were taken seriously in music long before alanis. look at the 60's and how many groups were fronted by women. it was the late 70's and 80's where they were repressed, and the 90's allowed them free reign again.
I try to think of what moment or person where things just changed?
Michael Jackson's Thriller forever changed the way Music Videos were done, if we had an option for that he would have been mentioned.0 -
tempo_n_groove said:HughFreakingDillon said:women were taken seriously in music long before alanis. look at the 60's and how many groups were fronted by women. it was the late 70's and 80's where they were repressed, and the 90's allowed them free reign again.
I try to think of what moment or person where things just changed?
Michael Jackson's Thriller forever changed the way Music Videos were done, if we had an option for that he would have been mentioned.It was a real turning point and I remember a lot of people discussing it that way. Of course, up here in Canada we remembered teeny bopper Alanis with her MuchMusic hits (one video had a pre-Friends Matt LeBlanc in it). Just awful stuff, but she was a kid. Think Canadian Tiffany.She was on this Canadian show called “You Can’t Do That on Television” best known for kids being doused in green slime. I just learned that was picked up by Nickelodeon in the US to air reruns from 1990-94. Go figure.Anyways, the transformation of Alanis was sudden and a shock to the system. At first, I had a hard time taking this seriously. Seemed like a corporate-scheme to cash in on the alternative music that was dominant at the time.But I listened to the interviews from back then (probably all over YouTube now) and realized that this was the music she always wanted to make and events* in her life steered her in that direction.One thing I will say, there is no doubting her sheer talent as a vocalist and songwriter. There are some real gems in her catalogue.Post edited by 1ThoughtKnown on0 -
I recall finding out that this was the same alanis that released Too Hot and was skeptical about it, even though I absolutely loved JLP, but then quickly realized as you said, this is her music, the music she wanted to make.
her a capella "secret song" at the end of the record gives me absolute chills, even today.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Pete Townshend🤔
Pete Townshend ❤️🔥
Pete Townshend 😎
Pete Townshend ❤️
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1ThoughtKnown said:brianlux said:jdasilvaf said:Adding my two cents but regarding more recent genres of music:
Big Boys - funk punk/skate punk
Throbbing Gristle - noise/industrial, they literally invented a genre.
The Doors - influenced goth/post-punk/psychedelia
The Smiths - indie/jangle pop
John Coltrane - spiritual jazzColtrane- interesting choice!Despite being a jazz fan, I hadn't considered jazz artists affect on rock. But I think if I were to include one jazz artist on my list, it would be a toss up between Coltrane and Miles Davis. In the late 60/ early 70's, a lot of rock groups and musicians started integrating modal improvisation in their music. Coltrane was certainly instrumental that way, but Miles did more to integrate modal jazz into rock and visa versa.Good call in any case, mentioning Trane.And if we go back to pre-rock, I suppose we should also mention Louis Armstrong, Robert Johnson (I think someone did), and Charlie Parker. Maybe even Albert Ayler and Ornette Coleman who came after the advent of rock.
How could I??? I must have lost my mind. Yes the great Sun Ra! Some of the best/most unique shows I've even seen.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
tempo_n_groove said:HughFreakingDillon said:women were taken seriously in music long before alanis. look at the 60's and how many groups were fronted by women. it was the late 70's and 80's where they were repressed, and the 90's allowed them free reign again.
I try to think of what moment or person where things just changed?
Michael Jackson's Thriller forever changed the way Music Videos were done, if we had an option for that he would have been mentioned.And later undone by these cool cats:
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
John Lee Hooker
Chuck Berry
The Beatles
Jimi Hendrix
Black Sabbath
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brianlux said:tempo_n_groove said:HughFreakingDillon said:women were taken seriously in music long before alanis. look at the 60's and how many groups were fronted by women. it was the late 70's and 80's where they were repressed, and the 90's allowed them free reign again.
I try to think of what moment or person where things just changed?
Michael Jackson's Thriller forever changed the way Music Videos were done, if we had an option for that he would have been mentioned.And later undone by these cool cats:0 -
vito said:Pete Townshend🤔
Pete Townshend ❤️🔥
Pete Townshend 😎
Pete Townshend ❤️
Pete Townshend 🙏
Elvis Presley-
Rock n Roll's first really big superstar, he made the business huge. A sexual revolution was now attached to the music.
Bob Dylan-
His lyrics changed EVERYTHING for EVERYONE that followed. The music was pretty fucking great also. The apocalypse was upon us and Jesus just study his lyrics no-one comes close to this man's pen.
The Beatles-
On any list they have to be included! Like I tell everyone I have musical/artistic discussions with there's a lot of artists that effected the world(almost every artist listed on my list and above) but, the Beatles changed the world.
The Who-
Pete Townshend, Roger Daltrey, Keith Moon and John Entwistle 🙏 I think I've stated on here enough times why they belong on here but, I will quickly try again. If everyone who loves all forms of music really studied and analyzed what they accomplished you should unquestionably come to the conclusion they were the most innovative rock band of all time and PT is obviously the biggest reason why.
David Bowie-
I mean he really created and re-invented over and over again the alternative world of music, art and fashion and it's pretty staggering how many differet artists fall under the landscape he carved out for them. As PT said after he died he was the true artist.
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tempo_n_groove said:Great question Brian.
I think only a few have done things to "change" music and the landscape that can not be argued with.
Muddy Waters- Everyone stole from him and vice versa? There were other guitarists but everyone always sites him as an influence.
Pete Seeger- He brought folk music to the masses and wrote songs you probably didn't realize he wrote like "Hammer song" and "Turn Turn Turn.
Hank Williams sr- Americas first Rock Star. His music was everywhere. He sold out wherever he went and partied hard when he did. Died at only 29. Way before social media and television, Hank Williams became a national star.
Elvis Presley- If you get banned from the waist down on TV you were doing something right, lol. He hit the world like a hammer. He made women faint. What he did was crazy.
The Beetles- A band that changed the way in recording w layering and harmonies. A band so big that they stopped touring and only made studio albums.
Jimi Hendrix- He has a sound so unique that is all his. The greatest and to me, most influential guitarist of all time.
Black Sabbath- 4 guys from Birmingham, England that sung dark lyrics and played power chords to the delight of many a fan and birth of metal.
Sex Pistols- The Ramones were first but the Pistols made everyone aware of punk.
Van Halen- It was more for Eddie VanHalens playing style than the band itself. EVH would dummy wires in his guitar so people couldn't mimic the sound. The second most influential guitarist of all time.
Grand Master Flash- One of the fathers of the birth of hip-hop. Run DMC may have been bigger but if not for him and the Furious Five there is no rap future. They even coined the term hip-hop.
Nirvana- Janes addiction was gaining a lot of traction but Smells Like Teen Spirit was the song that overnight took over the radio and MTV and gone were the awful hair bands polluting the airwaves.
Daft Punk- Bringing in DJing to another level. The Chemical Brothers were packing stadiums but it was Daft Punk that had the image w their space helmets and auto tuned voices that captured the audiences. EDC wouldn't be around if not for a band like Daft Punk.
Linkin Park- Brought EMO music to a whole other level. They were so big Jay-Z wanted to do an album w them. That's huge. They wrote songs about pain and angst for the people who couldn't fight and told their stories that were their own.
I wanted to mention Minor Threat for their staple on the Straight Edge movement and writing an X on your hand. To this day Straight edge is still around and they are very much the reason for it in the first place. It's a smaller movement than any of the above but it definitely sparked other bands.
Like, I don't like the Sex Pistols at all, and I'm a major Clash fan and they are a game-changing band in my opinion. But even I know the Clash were catalyzed to change their form by seeing the Ramones and the Sex Pistols. So I can't argue with the Pistols place in this list even though they were inspired by the Ramones too. But the Pistols brought the "in your face" "sacrilege" to the party.0 -
brianlux said:tempo_n_groove said:You know who is missing on this list? Alanis Morrissette. She single handedly made women taken seriously in music. Yes, before her were others but you really saw an explosion of talent after Jagged came out.
I still think I'd have to list Carole King, Janis Joplin, or Patti Smith before Alanis. Also, No offense to the fine singer, but I kind of doubt Alanis will be seen so much as a major innovator in the long run. Maybe too soon to tell.0
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