Viruses / Vaccines 2

jwhjr17 · August 2022

joseph33 said:

I keep getting boosters as well as getting Covid,what gives? I'm strongly feeling big pharma is making a killing by giving us all placebos!

Wrong crowd, no sense of humor in here

GlowGirl · August 2022

So crazy - A few days before I left Prague I started feeling like I was getting a cold - sore throat, cough, etc. As soon as I got home I took two rapid covid tests - one day apart and they were both negative. Today I still have some lingering fatigue and a sore throat so I decided to go and get another test. The doctor said my throat looked inflamed so she also gave me a strep test. Both the strep test and the rapid Covid test were negative. I got an email with my negative results. A few hours later the doctor called me and said that even though she would consider my test negative their machine was reading it as positive (whatever that means), and she suggested getting a PCR test. They then emailed me new results saying my rapid test was positive. After I got that I went to a different place to get a PCR test (I will get the results tomorrow), and while I was there they also did a rapid test - which came out negative. So, at this point I have had 3 negative rapid tests, and one positive one. No wonder everything is such a mess with this. I guess I will wait for my PCR test. I don't know which tests to trust anymore.

Poncier · August 2022

Talk about confusing.

mickeyrat · August 2022

PCR has been the gold standard in this. rapid test have shown some percentage of failure rate. either false positive or false negative. to what degree of false negative who can say. I think most folks would get the negative test and be on their merry way...

then you have detective @glowgirl, getting to the bottom of this......

GlowGirl · August 2022

PCR test was negative. So I am going to take the win.

mickeyrat · August 2022

GlowGirl said:

PCR test was negative. So I am going to take the win.

and you should go buy some records....

GlowGirl · August 2022

mickeyrat said:

GlowGirl said:

PCR test was negative. So I am going to take the win.

and you should go buy some records....

Good idea!

Cropduster-80 · August 2022

benjs said:

joseph33 said:

I keep getting boosters as well as getting Covid,what gives? I'm strongly feeling big pharma is making a killing by giving us all placebos!

Vaccines reduce the risk of contracting, and reduce the severity of the illness. Note that nothing will reduce the risk to zero.

If you're a gambler, stop taking it, and stop concerning yourself with the people who dislike gambling when their lives are at stake.

Would you feel shortchanged if you got a flu shot and the flu as well?

Flu vaccines are somewhere around 60 percent effective depending on the strain/year and are wildly successful in saving lives.

Vaccines are more a numbers game within a population not necessarily an individual thing. People fail to get that . As in the more people who are vaccinated the better protected you are vs being the only vaccinated person in town

if you still get sick look to your neighbours not the vaccine

hedonist · August 2022

GlowGirl said:

PCR test was negative. So I am going to take the win.

Whew! Good news.

mrussel1 · August 2022

Cropduster-80 said:

benjs said:

joseph33 said:

I keep getting boosters as well as getting Covid,what gives? I'm strongly feeling big pharma is making a killing by giving us all placebos!

Vaccines reduce the risk of contracting, and reduce the severity of the illness. Note that nothing will reduce the risk to zero.

If you're a gambler, stop taking it, and stop concerning yourself with the people who dislike gambling when their lives are at stake.

Would you feel shortchanged if you got a flu shot and the flu as well?

Flu vaccines are somewhere around 60 percent effective depending on the strain/year and are wildly successful in saving lives.

Vaccines are more a numbers game within a population not necessarily an individual thing. People fail to get that . As in the more people who are vaccinated the better protected you are vs being the only vaccinated person in town

if you still get sick look to your neighbours not the vaccine

Polio vaccine is 99% effective, yet in some upstate NY counties populated by morons, only 60% of the people are vaxed. And now there's a breakout including a paralyzed 20 year old. Hope your conspiracy theory was worth it.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/05/new-york-polio-case-tip-of-iceberg-hundreds-of-others-could-be-infected.html

Cropduster-80 · August 2022

mrussel1 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

benjs said:

joseph33 said:

I keep getting boosters as well as getting Covid,what gives? I'm strongly feeling big pharma is making a killing by giving us all placebos!

Vaccines reduce the risk of contracting, and reduce the severity of the illness. Note that nothing will reduce the risk to zero.

If you're a gambler, stop taking it, and stop concerning yourself with the people who dislike gambling when their lives are at stake.

Would you feel shortchanged if you got a flu shot and the flu as well?

Flu vaccines are somewhere around 60 percent effective depending on the strain/year and are wildly successful in saving lives.

Vaccines are more a numbers game within a population not necessarily an individual thing. People fail to get that . As in the more people who are vaccinated the better protected you are vs being the only vaccinated person in town

if you still get sick look to your neighbours not the vaccine

Polio vaccine is 99% effective, yet in some upstate NY counties populated by morons, only 60% of the people are vaxed. And now there's a breakout including a paralyzed 20 year old. Hope your conspiracy theory was worth it.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/05/new-york-polio-case-tip-of-iceberg-hundreds-of-others-could-be-infected.html

Exactly

my oldest got whooping cough at 3. It was no joke he was sick for months and vaccinated. It went on at least 4, maybe 5 months. Being around too many unvaccinated individuals and eventually he got it.

This was before covid but that was the last time any of my kids were allowed to associate with anyone unvaccinated. Yes, we check. Play dates and birthday parties or whatever. At this point it’s nice as several other parents are the same so we have a pretty comprehensive list in our neighbourhood.

the public schools may offer an opt out, but socially and out of school those parents and kids are not invited to anything

for some of this stuff, people who think if you get a vaccine and other peoples choices wont affect you is a pretty big gamble

at 99 percent effective for polio sounds great. That 1 percent is a pretty big risk though for a vaccinated person. Who would get on a plane if you knew one out of every 100 flights would be a crash? No one.
unvaccinated people are still a danger to vaccinated ones

GlowGirl · August 2022

hedonist said:

GlowGirl said:

PCR test was negative. So I am going to take the win.

Whew! Good news.

Thanks. Now we wait for your good news. I know it is coming.

cblock4life · August 2022

Third times a charm (?)! Myself and three other family members have verified covid right now.

I know a bunch of you hate pharmaceuticals but 2nd and third are bad but not nearly as bad as the first time. Don’t get me wrong, I feel like shit but glad I did all 4 shots.

Cropduster-80 · August 2022

Knock on wood, I’ve yet to test positive. It’s gone through our house twice. Half the family got it the first time, the other half the second time. I’ve always tested negative.

everyone had/has their shots so it went reasonably well.

mace1229 · August 2022

mrussel1 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

benjs said:

joseph33 said:

I keep getting boosters as well as getting Covid,what gives? I'm strongly feeling big pharma is making a killing by giving us all placebos!

Vaccines reduce the risk of contracting, and reduce the severity of the illness. Note that nothing will reduce the risk to zero.

If you're a gambler, stop taking it, and stop concerning yourself with the people who dislike gambling when their lives are at stake.

Would you feel shortchanged if you got a flu shot and the flu as well?

Flu vaccines are somewhere around 60 percent effective depending on the strain/year and are wildly successful in saving lives.

Vaccines are more a numbers game within a population not necessarily an individual thing. People fail to get that . As in the more people who are vaccinated the better protected you are vs being the only vaccinated person in town

if you still get sick look to your neighbours not the vaccine

Polio vaccine is 99% effective, yet in some upstate NY counties populated by morons, only 60% of the people are vaxed. And now there's a breakout including a paralyzed 20 year old. Hope your conspiracy theory was worth it.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/05/new-york-polio-case-tip-of-iceberg-hundreds-of-others-could-be-infected.html

Part of the problem and why there are so many who claim the vaccines don’t work is because they were originally sold as the final answer. For the first few months we were told if you get the vaccine you won’t get sick.
And while it was very effective against the original strand, that was never completely true. And the variants came pretty quickly and with each one the vaccine was less effective. It’s like taking a 5 year old flu shot at this point.
I have to believe greed and profit had some part to play. They created the vaccine in a few months but haven’t updated it in 2 years? And from a business perspective, why would you? You’re still guaranteed billions in sales off an old product.

mickeyrat · August 2022

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

benjs said:

joseph33 said:

I keep getting boosters as well as getting Covid,what gives? I'm strongly feeling big pharma is making a killing by giving us all placebos!

Vaccines reduce the risk of contracting, and reduce the severity of the illness. Note that nothing will reduce the risk to zero.

If you're a gambler, stop taking it, and stop concerning yourself with the people who dislike gambling when their lives are at stake.

Would you feel shortchanged if you got a flu shot and the flu as well?

Flu vaccines are somewhere around 60 percent effective depending on the strain/year and are wildly successful in saving lives.

Vaccines are more a numbers game within a population not necessarily an individual thing. People fail to get that . As in the more people who are vaccinated the better protected you are vs being the only vaccinated person in town

if you still get sick look to your neighbours not the vaccine

Polio vaccine is 99% effective, yet in some upstate NY counties populated by morons, only 60% of the people are vaxed. And now there's a breakout including a paralyzed 20 year old. Hope your conspiracy theory was worth it.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/05/new-york-polio-case-tip-of-iceberg-hundreds-of-others-could-be-infected.html

Part of the problem and why there are so many who claim the vaccines don’t work is because they were originally sold as the final answer. For the first few months we were told if you get the vaccine you won’t get sick.
And while it was very effective against the original strand, that was never completely true. And the variants came pretty quickly and with each one the vaccine was less effective. It’s like taking a 5 year old flu shot at this point.
I have to believe greed and profit had some part to play. They created the vaccine in a few months but haven’t updated it in 2 years? And from a business perspective, why would you? You’re still guaranteed billions in sales off an old product.

the latest varient string only emerged in spring? think it maybe takes a minute to update the mrna and do trials and get approval?

and the original still helps.... we are 2 1/2 years into this. 18 since a viable vax was approved even less for all age groups.

but no, of course you're right. its all greed and nothing more.

mrussel1 · August 2022

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

benjs said:

joseph33 said:

I keep getting boosters as well as getting Covid,what gives? I'm strongly feeling big pharma is making a killing by giving us all placebos!

Vaccines reduce the risk of contracting, and reduce the severity of the illness. Note that nothing will reduce the risk to zero.

If you're a gambler, stop taking it, and stop concerning yourself with the people who dislike gambling when their lives are at stake.

Would you feel shortchanged if you got a flu shot and the flu as well?

Flu vaccines are somewhere around 60 percent effective depending on the strain/year and are wildly successful in saving lives.

Vaccines are more a numbers game within a population not necessarily an individual thing. People fail to get that . As in the more people who are vaccinated the better protected you are vs being the only vaccinated person in town

if you still get sick look to your neighbours not the vaccine

Polio vaccine is 99% effective, yet in some upstate NY counties populated by morons, only 60% of the people are vaxed. And now there's a breakout including a paralyzed 20 year old. Hope your conspiracy theory was worth it.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/05/new-york-polio-case-tip-of-iceberg-hundreds-of-others-could-be-infected.html

Part of the problem and why there are so many who claim the vaccines don’t work is because they were originally sold as the final answer. For the first few months we were told if you get the vaccine you won’t get sick.
And while it was very effective against the original strand, that was never completely true. And the variants came pretty quickly and with each one the vaccine was less effective. It’s like taking a 5 year old flu shot at this point.
I have to believe greed and profit had some part to play. They created the vaccine in a few months but haven’t updated it in 2 years? And from a business perspective, why would you? You’re still guaranteed billions in sales off an old product.

I don't understand who was told they wouldn't get sick. It was public from the beginning that efficacy was in the 90% range. Are Americans so stupid that we think 90% is "You're not going to get sick"?

Regarding the changing of the vaccine, you're right it hasn't. But if there are any changes, then it has to go back through FDA approval. The problem is that the virus is mutating faster than science can create new ones. And these particular strains are far less lethal, dampening the 'need'. Last, of course, is the original vaccine can provide protection against BA.5, and studies show that depending on the number of boosters and whether you have boosters OR which strain you had previously, can change your risk level.

Scientists and virologists are not miracle workers or magicians. If someone is not taking the fucking Polio vaccine because Covid isn't eradicated, then they are morons. If someone isn't taking the Polio vaccine period, they are morons. If someone isn't taking the COVID vaccine because it isn't 100% and these mutating strains are too difficult for them to read and understand, then they are morons.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/ba-5-what-we-know-about-protection-from-vaccines-and-previous-infections#What-to-know-about-BA.5

Halifax2TheMax · August 2022

30,000 more dead Americans since May 22nd, when we reached a million. Gone by the Easter after POOTWH retakes the Oval.

Cropduster-80 · August 2022

mrussel1 said:

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

benjs said:

joseph33 said:

I keep getting boosters as well as getting Covid,what gives? I'm strongly feeling big pharma is making a killing by giving us all placebos!

Vaccines reduce the risk of contracting, and reduce the severity of the illness. Note that nothing will reduce the risk to zero.

If you're a gambler, stop taking it, and stop concerning yourself with the people who dislike gambling when their lives are at stake.

Would you feel shortchanged if you got a flu shot and the flu as well?

Flu vaccines are somewhere around 60 percent effective depending on the strain/year and are wildly successful in saving lives.

Vaccines are more a numbers game within a population not necessarily an individual thing. People fail to get that . As in the more people who are vaccinated the better protected you are vs being the only vaccinated person in town

if you still get sick look to your neighbours not the vaccine

Polio vaccine is 99% effective, yet in some upstate NY counties populated by morons, only 60% of the people are vaxed. And now there's a breakout including a paralyzed 20 year old. Hope your conspiracy theory was worth it.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/05/new-york-polio-case-tip-of-iceberg-hundreds-of-others-could-be-infected.html

Part of the problem and why there are so many who claim the vaccines don’t work is because they were originally sold as the final answer. For the first few months we were told if you get the vaccine you won’t get sick.
And while it was very effective against the original strand, that was never completely true. And the variants came pretty quickly and with each one the vaccine was less effective. It’s like taking a 5 year old flu shot at this point.
I have to believe greed and profit had some part to play. They created the vaccine in a few months but haven’t updated it in 2 years? And from a business perspective, why would you? You’re still guaranteed billions in sales off an old product.

I don't understand who was told they wouldn't get sick. It was public from the beginning that efficacy was in the 90% range. Are Americans so stupid that we think 90% is "You're not going to get sick"?

Regarding the changing of the vaccine, you're right it hasn't. But if there are any changes, then it has to go back through FDA approval. The problem is that the virus is mutating faster than science can create new ones. And these particular strains are far less lethal, dampening the 'need'. Last, of course, is the original vaccine can provide protection against BA.5, and studies show that depending on the number of boosters and whether you have boosters OR which strain you had previously, can change your risk level.

Scientists and virologists are not miracle workers or magicians. If someone is not taking the fucking Polio vaccine because Covid isn't eradicated, then they are morons. If someone isn't taking the Polio vaccine period, they are morons. If someone isn't taking the COVID vaccine because it isn't 100% and these mutating strains are too difficult for them to read and understand, then they are morons.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/ba-5-what-we-know-about-protection-from-vaccines-and-previous-infections#What-to-know-about-BA.5

Well people also get sick and say they have the “flu”. More often than not it’s not actually influenza. They think the flu is a head cold and if Covid is like the flu then why get a vaccine.

Doesn’t matter how you message the vaccine if people also don’t understand the other sickness that they are comparing covid to.

If you’ve never seen someone with polio or who’s had the measles (which has a higher mortality rate than covid) how can you even make an informed decision to decline it? For these diseases that are making a comeback, they really need to start showing those car crash videos they make you watch in drivers ed to students in health class of disease patients

mace1229 · August 2022

mrussel1 said:

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

benjs said:

joseph33 said:

I keep getting boosters as well as getting Covid,what gives? I'm strongly feeling big pharma is making a killing by giving us all placebos!

Vaccines reduce the risk of contracting, and reduce the severity of the illness. Note that nothing will reduce the risk to zero.

If you're a gambler, stop taking it, and stop concerning yourself with the people who dislike gambling when their lives are at stake.

Would you feel shortchanged if you got a flu shot and the flu as well?

Flu vaccines are somewhere around 60 percent effective depending on the strain/year and are wildly successful in saving lives.

Vaccines are more a numbers game within a population not necessarily an individual thing. People fail to get that . As in the more people who are vaccinated the better protected you are vs being the only vaccinated person in town

if you still get sick look to your neighbours not the vaccine

Polio vaccine is 99% effective, yet in some upstate NY counties populated by morons, only 60% of the people are vaxed. And now there's a breakout including a paralyzed 20 year old. Hope your conspiracy theory was worth it.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/05/new-york-polio-case-tip-of-iceberg-hundreds-of-others-could-be-infected.html

Part of the problem and why there are so many who claim the vaccines don’t work is because they were originally sold as the final answer. For the first few months we were told if you get the vaccine you won’t get sick.
And while it was very effective against the original strand, that was never completely true. And the variants came pretty quickly and with each one the vaccine was less effective. It’s like taking a 5 year old flu shot at this point.
I have to believe greed and profit had some part to play. They created the vaccine in a few months but haven’t updated it in 2 years? And from a business perspective, why would you? You’re still guaranteed billions in sales off an old product.

I don't understand who was told they wouldn't get sick. It was public from the beginning that efficacy was in the 90% range. Are Americans so stupid that we think 90% is "You're not going to get sick"?

Regarding the changing of the vaccine, you're right it hasn't. But if there are any changes, then it has to go back through FDA approval. The problem is that the virus is mutating faster than science can create new ones. And these particular strains are far less lethal, dampening the 'need'. Last, of course, is the original vaccine can provide protection against BA.5, and studies show that depending on the number of boosters and whether you have boosters OR which strain you had previously, can change your risk level.

Scientists and virologists are not miracle workers or magicians. If someone is not taking the fucking Polio vaccine because Covid isn't eradicated, then they are morons. If someone isn't taking the Polio vaccine period, they are morons. If someone isn't taking the COVID vaccine because it isn't 100% and these mutating strains are too difficult for them to read and understand, then they are morons.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/ba-5-what-we-know-about-protection-from-vaccines-and-previous-infections#What-to-know-about-BA.5

This has come up several times here. There’s plenty of video of Biden and others saying get the shot and you won’t get sick. I think even Fauci said it too, but I can’t remember for sure.
I think most people understood it to mean you were unlikely to get sick. I’m just pointing out when the first vaccinated people did start to catch it, that was all the anti vaxers needed to say “see, it was a lie.”

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