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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    AW124797 said:
    static111 said:
    Guys I went deep today.  Apparently Robert Malone self proclaimed inventor of Mrna is a deep state plant Trojan horse.  He is being used to gain the trust of anti vaxxers so that if treatments do come up that he approves they will fall in line to take the global genocide shot.  That's not all, THEY are going to make him the next in line for Fauci's position or make him the head of the WHO so that trust can finally be restored.  Only trust won't be restored because it is all part of a deeper plot by THEM. Oh and Trump was also a planned chaos agent so they could create the necessary upheavals to usher in a new world order on the back of CV19, and he too is a member of the Deep State conspiracies...


    I wonder if these people all suffer from high anxiety and lack of sleep.


    I suppose I should state that I believe all of this to be utter BS in case someone thinks I am trying to spread misinformation.  This is literally things people discuss on twitter and message boards.
    This is literally things people discuss on this message board thanks to you. Great effort. You're one of them. 
    I'm not one of the 16% though.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 41,956
    AW124797 said:
    Why is the 16% so obsessed with some crazy conspiracy theories? Where do you even find it? Constant derailing with the same old nonsense. 
    Was that 2 of 2, 2 of 3, 2 of 4 or 2 of 10? I’m really interested in what 2 is too many of.
    Take that # 16 for the 16%, multiply it x 3 as that was the number Damar Hamlin wore for the Buffalo Bills before he died suddenly from the vaccine = 48, and then subtract 3 from that # as there were 3 body doubles impersonating the obviously deceased Damar Hamlin at the last Bills game and you come up w… 45. 

    It all makes perfect sense. The storm is coming, you guys. 

    Brilliant! 

    We must bow the The 45!  All hail The 45!
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,485
    brianlux said:
    AW124797 said:
    Why is the 16% so obsessed with some crazy conspiracy theories? Where do you even find it? Constant derailing with the same old nonsense. 
    Was that 2 of 2, 2 of 3, 2 of 4 or 2 of 10? I’m really interested in what 2 is too many of.
    Take that # 16 for the 16%, multiply it x 3 as that was the number Damar Hamlin wore for the Buffalo Bills before he died suddenly from the vaccine = 48, and then subtract 3 from that # as there were 3 body doubles impersonating the obviously deceased Damar Hamlin at the last Bills game and you come up w… 45. 

    It all makes perfect sense. The storm is coming, you guys. 

    Brilliant! 

    We must bow the The 45!  All hail The 45!

    which one though?

    C-3? Let the Song Protest?
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,063
    AW124797 said:
    Why is the 16% so obsessed with some crazy conspiracy theories? Where do you even find it? Constant derailing with the same old nonsense. 
    There’s significant over-lap between people fixated on denying the vaccine’s effectiveness and people who are Covid conspiracists. They share the same “sources” from “doing their own research”. 
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 41,956
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    AW124797 said:
    Why is the 16% so obsessed with some crazy conspiracy theories? Where do you even find it? Constant derailing with the same old nonsense. 
    Was that 2 of 2, 2 of 3, 2 of 4 or 2 of 10? I’m really interested in what 2 is too many of.
    Take that # 16 for the 16%, multiply it x 3 as that was the number Damar Hamlin wore for the Buffalo Bills before he died suddenly from the vaccine = 48, and then subtract 3 from that # as there were 3 body doubles impersonating the obviously deceased Damar Hamlin at the last Bills game and you come up w… 45. 

    It all makes perfect sense. The storm is coming, you guys. 

    Brilliant! 

    We must bow the The 45!  All hail The 45!

    which one though?

    C-3? Let the Song Protest?

    To be honest, I'm not really sure what we're talking about with all these numbers.  The dirty secret is out:  I suck at math!  :lol:
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Posts: 19,225
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Posts: 19,225
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  • Heard on the news that hospitals are going to lift the mask mandates and that the covid payments are going to stop for hospitals and soon no more free boosters.

     Covid money is running out now.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,485
    Heard on the news that hospitals are going to lift the mask mandates and that the covid payments are going to stop for hospitals and soon no more free boosters.

     Covid money is running out now.

    may 11. end of crisis.

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,629
    23scidoo said:
    You know it can be both. They are in it for the money but that doesn’t mean meds don’t work.
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,425
    edited January 2023
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    You know it can be both. They are in it for the money but that doesn’t mean meds don’t work.
    It can't though, because they need the outrage to feed the narrative.

    It doesn't matter that they don't even know what the narrative is anymore, so long as the outrage remains. 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,485

     
    President Biden to end COVID-19 emergencies on May 11
    By ZEKE MILLER and AMANDA SEITZ
    Yesterday

    WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden informed Congress on Monday that he will end the twin national emergencies for addressing COVID-19 on May 11, as most of the world has returned closer to normalcy nearly three years after they were first declared.

    The move to end the national emergency and public health emergency declarations would formally restructure the federal coronavirus response to treat the virus as an endemic threat to public health that can be managed through agencies' normal authorities.

    It comes as lawmakers have already ended elements of the emergencies that kept millions of Americans insured during the pandemic. Combined with the drawdown of most federal COVID-19 relief money, it would also shift the development of vaccines and treatments away from the direct management of the federal government.

    Biden’s announcement comes in a statement opposing resolutions being brought to the floor this week by House Republicans to bring the emergency to an immediate end. House Republicans are also gearing up to launch investigations on the federal government’s response to COVID-19.

    Then-President Donald Trump's Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar first declared a public health emergency on Jan. 31, 2020, and Trump later declared the COVID-19 pandemic a national emergenc y that March. The emergencies have been repeatedly extended by Biden since he took office in January 2021, and are set to expire in the coming months. The White House said Biden plans to extend them both briefly to end on May 11.

    “An abrupt end to the emergency declarations would create wide-ranging chaos and uncertainty throughout the health care system — for states, for hospitals and doctors’ offices, and, most importantly, for tens of millions of Americans,” the Office of Management and Budget wrote in a Statement of Administration Policy.

    More than 1.1 million people in the U.S. have died from COVID-19 since 2020, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, including about 3,700 last week.

    Congress has already blunted the reach of the public health emergency that had the most direct impact on Americans, as political calls to end the declaration intensified. Lawmakers have refused for months to fulfill the Biden administration’s request for billions more dollars to extend free COVID vaccines and testing. And the $1.7 trillion spending package passed last year and signed into law by Biden put an end to a rule that barred states from kicking people off Medicaid, a move that is expected to see millions of people lose their coverage after April 1.

    "In some respects, the Biden administration is catching up to what a lot of people in the country have been experiencing," said Larry Levitt, the executive vice president for health policy at Kaiser Family Foundation. “That said, hundreds of people a day are still dying from COVID.”

    Still, some things will change for Americans once the emergency expires, Levitt pointed out.

    The costs of COVID-19 vaccines are also expected to skyrocket once the government stops buying them, with Pfizer saying it will charge as much as $130 per dose. Only 15% of Americans have received the recommended, updated booster that has been offered since last fall.

    People with private insurance could have some out-of-pocket costs for vaccines, especially if they go to an out-of-network provider, Levitt said. Free at-home COVID tests will also come to an end. And hospitals will not get extra payments for treating COVID patients.

    Legislators did extend for another two years telehealth flexibilities that were introduced as COVID-19 hit, leading health care systems around the country to regularly deliver care by smartphone or computer.

    The Biden administration had previously considered ending the emergency last year, but held off amid concerns about a potential “winter surge” in cases and to provide adequate time for providers, insurers and patients to prepare for its end.

    Officials said the administration would use the next three months to transition the response to conventional methods, warning that an immediate end to the emergency authorities “would sow confusion and chaos into this critical wind-down.”

    “To be clear, continuation of these emergency declarations until May 11 does not impose any restriction at all on individual conduct with regard to COVID-19," the administration said. “They do not impose mask mandates or vaccine mandates. They do not restrict school or business operations. They do not require the use of any medicines or tests in response to cases of COVID-19.”

    Case counts have trended downward after a slight bump over the winter holidays, and are significantly below levels seen over the last two winters — though the number of tests performed for the virus and reported to public health officials has sharply decreased.

    On Monday, the World Health Organization said the coronavirus remains a global health emergency, even as a key advisory panel for the group found the pandemic may be nearing an “inflexion point” where higher levels of immunity can lower virus-related deaths. China, for example, reported an unprecedented surge in December after lifting most of its COVID-19 restrictions.

    Moments before the White House’s announcement, Rep. Tom Cole, R-Okla., accused the president of unnecessarily extending the public health emergency to take action on issues like forgiving some federal student loan debts.

    “The country has largely returned to normal,” Cole said Monday, introducing a Republican-backed bill calling for an end to the health emergency. “Everyday Americans have returned to work and to school with no restrictions on their activities. It is time that the government acknowledges this reality: the pandemic is over.”

    The House was scheduled to vote Tuesday on legislation that would terminate the public health emergency.

    The bill’s author, Rep. Brett Guthrie, R-Ky., said he still hopes the House will proceed with a vote. He said he was surprised by the White House move, but thinks the legislation may have played a role in prompting the administration to act.

    “I think we should go forward,” he said late Monday as lawmakers returned to the Capitol. “If for some reason they don’t do it on May the 11th, the vehicle is still there for Congress to take back its authority.”

    AP Congressional Correspondent Lisa Mascaro contributed.


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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Posts: 19,225
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    You know it can be both. They are in it for the money but that doesn’t mean meds don’t work.
    I know it can't..
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,629
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    You know it can be both. They are in it for the money but that doesn’t mean meds don’t work.
    I know it can't..
    So blood pressure med doesn't work? What about insulin,  just placebo?
  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 5,096
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    You know it can be both. They are in it for the money but that doesn’t mean meds don’t work.
    I know it can't..
    So blood pressure med doesn't work? What about insulin,  just placebo?
    The end game is going to be to stop taking all medication and pull yourself up by your bootstraps. And why? Because the Dems will hate that.
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,425
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    You know it can be both. They are in it for the money but that doesn’t mean meds don’t work.
    I know it can't..
    So blood pressure med doesn't work? What about insulin,  just placebo?
    The end game is going to be to stop taking all medication and pull yourself up by your bootstraps. And why? Because the Dems will hate that.
    Libz are gonna be so owned when smallpox makes a comeback. 
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,063
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    You know it can be both. They are in it for the money but that doesn’t mean meds don’t work.
    I know it can't..
    So blood pressure med doesn't work? What about insulin,  just placebo?
    The end game is going to be to stop taking all medication and pull yourself up by your bootstraps. And why? Because the Dems will hate that.
    Looks like a good business opportunity to sell cancer curing tinctures to these folks. Wouldn’t want to trust big pharma’s chemo. 
  • 23scidoo23scidoo Posts: 19,225
    They don't sleep at nights cause they thinking of you 🤣🤣
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  • AW124797AW124797 Posts: 668
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    Why is the 16% so obsessed with some crazy conspiracy theories? Where do you even find it? Constant derailing with the same old nonsense. 
    The argument about COVID vaccines are a joke now.  The people keeping it alive are the lunatics and the politicians who want to leverage the lunatics.  Take it if you want, or don’t.  But don’t expect us to engage in arguments that expired almost two years ago.  Move on. 
    Which argument expired almost 2 years ago? 
  • AW124797AW124797 Posts: 668
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    You know it can be both. They are in it for the money but that doesn’t mean meds don’t work.
    Well, depends...

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-largest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,063
    23scidoo said:
    They don't sleep at nights cause they thinking of you 🤣🤣
    I’ll let the person I know with schizophrenia whose meds allow him to live a stable life in the community that he’s really just a shill for big pharma. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,629
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    You know it can be both. They are in it for the money but that doesn’t mean meds don’t work.
    Well, depends...

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-largest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history
    Does this prove to you that you should not take any prescribed medications?
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 41,956
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    You know it can be both. They are in it for the money but that doesn’t mean meds don’t work.
    It can't though, because they need the outrage to feed the narrative.

    It doesn't matter that they don't even know what the narrative is anymore, so long as the outrage remains. 

    "OH MY GOD!  I can't believe people are getting vaccinated!"
    "OH GOOD LORD!  Vaccines are mind control implants!"
    "HOLY JESUS!  Modern medicine will kill us all!"
    "SOYLANT GREEN IS PEOOOOOLLLLEEE!"

    Oh, poor freaking out people.  Maybe this will help them:
    55 Everything is going to be ok ideas  everything will be ok everything  words
    :lol:

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  • AW124797AW124797 Posts: 668
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    You know it can be both. They are in it for the money but that doesn’t mean meds don’t work.
    Well, depends...

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-largest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history
    Does this prove to you that you should not take any prescribed medications?
    Did I mention "any?" It's not all hunky-dory.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,629
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    You know it can be both. They are in it for the money but that doesn’t mean meds don’t work.
    Well, depends...

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-largest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history
    Does this prove to you that you should not take any prescribed medications?
    Did I mention "any?" It's not all hunky-dory.
    Tell me about the matrix you use to determine which meds are real vs placebo?
  • AW124797AW124797 Posts: 668
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    You know it can be both. They are in it for the money but that doesn’t mean meds don’t work.
    Well, depends...

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-largest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history
    Does this prove to you that you should not take any prescribed medications?
    Did I mention "any?" It's not all hunky-dory.
    Tell me about the matrix you use to determine which meds are real vs placebo?
    Avoid all prescription drugs under DOJ investigation. Try that. Also, you might want to rethink if you're taking the same drug over and over and expecting different results. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,629
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    You know it can be both. They are in it for the money but that doesn’t mean meds don’t work.
    Well, depends...

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-largest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history
    Does this prove to you that you should not take any prescribed medications?
    Did I mention "any?" It's not all hunky-dory.
    Tell me about the matrix you use to determine which meds are real vs placebo?
    Avoid all prescription drugs under DOJ investigation. Try that. Also, you might want to rethink if you're taking the same drug over and over and expecting different results. 
    So don't take Bextra that has been of the market for 20 years? Great advice.  

    Great advice.  I've been taking atenolol for 15 years and my BP is still 170/110.  So your expert advice is to try something else,?

  • AW124797AW124797 Posts: 668
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    You know it can be both. They are in it for the money but that doesn’t mean meds don’t work.
    Well, depends...

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-largest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history
    Does this prove to you that you should not take any prescribed medications?
    Did I mention "any?" It's not all hunky-dory.
    Tell me about the matrix you use to determine which meds are real vs placebo?
    Avoid all prescription drugs under DOJ investigation. Try that. Also, you might want to rethink if you're taking the same drug over and over and expecting different results. 
    So don't take Bextra that has been of the market for 20 years? Great advice.  

    Great advice.  I've been taking atenolol for 15 years and my BP is still 170/110.  So your expert advice is to try something else,?

    Evidently, but I would not seek an expert advice on pj forum. Tried different lifestyle? 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,629
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    You know it can be both. They are in it for the money but that doesn’t mean meds don’t work.
    Well, depends...

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-largest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history
    Does this prove to you that you should not take any prescribed medications?
    Did I mention "any?" It's not all hunky-dory.
    Tell me about the matrix you use to determine which meds are real vs placebo?
    Avoid all prescription drugs under DOJ investigation. Try that. Also, you might want to rethink if you're taking the same drug over and over and expecting different results. 
    So don't take Bextra that has been of the market for 20 years? Great advice.  

    Great advice.  I've been taking atenolol for 15 years and my BP is still 170/110.  So your expert advice is to try something else,?

    Evidently, but I would not seek an expert advice on pj forum. Tried different lifestyle? 
    Switched from Marlboro Red to Lucky Strikes.  Didn't help. 
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