#46 President Joe Biden

nicknyr15 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Need to cut federal spending? Let’s start in WV. Let’s also slow walk SS deposits and make sure those tax refunds in WV zip codes take just a little longer to be deposited, maybe get “lost” for a few. Manchurian Joe is a team playa, yo!

Sen. Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.) told Democratic leaders Thursday he would not support an economic package that contains new spending on climate change or new tax increases targeting wealthy individuals and corporations, marking a massive setback for party lawmakers who had hoped to advance a central element of their agenda before the midterm elections this fall.

The major shift in negotiations — confirmed by two people familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the talks — threatened to upend the delicate process to adopt the party’s signature economic package seven months after Manchin scuttled the original, roughly $2 trillion Build Back Better Act, which President Biden had endorsed.

But Manchin told Democratic leaders he is open to provisions that aim to lower prescription drug costs for seniors, the two people said. And the West Virginia moderate expressed support with Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), the party’s chief negotiator, for extending subsidies that could help keep health insurance costs down for millions of Americans, one of the sources said.

Sounds very “Trumpy”. Are you becoming what you hate? 

nicknyr15 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Need to cut federal spending? Let’s start in WV. Let’s also slow walk SS deposits and make sure those tax refunds in WV zip codes take just a little longer to be deposited, maybe get “lost” for a few. Manchurian Joe is a team playa, yo!

Sen. Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.) told Democratic leaders Thursday he would not support an economic package that contains new spending on climate change or new tax increases targeting wealthy individuals and corporations, marking a massive setback for party lawmakers who had hoped to advance a central element of their agenda before the midterm elections this fall.

The major shift in negotiations — confirmed by two people familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the talks — threatened to upend the delicate process to adopt the party’s signature economic package seven months after Manchin scuttled the original, roughly $2 trillion Build Back Better Act, which President Biden had endorsed.

But Manchin told Democratic leaders he is open to provisions that aim to lower prescription drug costs for seniors, the two people said. And the West Virginia moderate expressed support with Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), the party’s chief negotiator, for extending subsidies that could help keep health insurance costs down for millions of Americans, one of the sources said.

Sounds very “Trumpy”. Are you becoming what you hate? 

tempo_n_groove said:

cincybearcat said:

nicknyr15 said:

cincybearcat said:

Man Biden is looking really old and frail.  I cannot wait until we have a president south of 70 again!  

It’s sad honestly. He should just be enjoying whatever is left of his life imo. Who the fuck would want to do this at that age? 

Yup.  If you are trying to do that job well, and I am sure Biden is trying, it takes so much out of you anyhow.  I cannot imagine it at his age.  

If the country doesn't get some relief soon his legacy will be tarnished and no way he gets a second term.

nicknyr15 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

nicknyr15 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Need to cut federal spending? Let’s start in WV. Let’s also slow walk SS deposits and make sure those tax refunds in WV zip codes take just a little longer to be deposited, maybe get “lost” for a few. Manchurian Joe is a team playa, yo!

Sen. Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.) told Democratic leaders Thursday he would not support an economic package that contains new spending on climate change or new tax increases targeting wealthy individuals and corporations, marking a massive setback for party lawmakers who had hoped to advance a central element of their agenda before the midterm elections this fall.

The major shift in negotiations — confirmed by two people familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the talks — threatened to upend the delicate process to adopt the party’s signature economic package seven months after Manchin scuttled the original, roughly $2 trillion Build Back Better Act, which President Biden had endorsed.

But Manchin told Democratic leaders he is open to provisions that aim to lower prescription drug costs for seniors, the two people said. And the West Virginia moderate expressed support with Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), the party’s chief negotiator, for extending subsidies that could help keep health insurance costs down for millions of Americans, one of the sources said.

Sounds very “Trumpy”. Are you becoming what you hate? 

Sometimes hardball needs to be played. Funny though neither you nor Cincy mentioned it when it occurred by the other side (I merely posited the proposition). Seems you’re both okay with it when it’s repubs playing hardball, lol.

Are you already what you hate? Lol.

I was going to mimic this exact thing to poke fun honestly. I knew you’d come back with the whole, “ I don’t recall you guys mentioning it when trump blah blah blah”. What does that have to do with you sounding like an absolute hypocrite?

brianlux said:

OnWis97 said:

brianlux said:

Guys, let's not forget Biden saved us from another 4 years of 45.  I think that's why Joe ran in the first place.  Instead of focusing on him being an old man (because, of course, who likes old fuckers anyway, right? ) Dems should be focusing on someone who will have a chance to win in 2024.  I can't think of a single Democrat who has a chance to do that, can you?

I agree with all of this. I don't think Biden even wanted this and did it because the party convinced him that only he could beat Trump (and that was probably true). He's probably not able to give the job its due attention the way he'd have been able to 20 years ago and there is a sadness to it, but that's why they have staffs. 

And the day after midterms, the party needs to think about who can beat MAGA in 2024. I don't think it's fair to Joe to suggest he'll be there for six more years. If the party needs him to beat Trump or DeSantis because nobody else can, then the problems they have go well beyond Joe's age.

Yeah, I agree.  I think the best thing all around would be for Joe to say in 2024, "Thanks for the opportunity, but I'm ready to retire."  I'm grateful Joe beat 45, greatful for his efforts, and I think he's done the best he can under the circumstances, but six more years would really be pushing it.  Dems need to get off the pot and start grooming someone good or we're going to be stuck in a MAGA quagmire that will lead to even more ruination that this country has already faced.  It's 2 and 1/2 years off and I'm already feeling sketchy about the whole thing.

cincybearcat said:

nicknyr15 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

nicknyr15 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Need to cut federal spending? Let’s start in WV. Let’s also slow walk SS deposits and make sure those tax refunds in WV zip codes take just a little longer to be deposited, maybe get “lost” for a few. Manchurian Joe is a team playa, yo!

Sen. Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.) told Democratic leaders Thursday he would not support an economic package that contains new spending on climate change or new tax increases targeting wealthy individuals and corporations, marking a massive setback for party lawmakers who had hoped to advance a central element of their agenda before the midterm elections this fall.

The major shift in negotiations — confirmed by two people familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the talks — threatened to upend the delicate process to adopt the party’s signature economic package seven months after Manchin scuttled the original, roughly $2 trillion Build Back Better Act, which President Biden had endorsed.

But Manchin told Democratic leaders he is open to provisions that aim to lower prescription drug costs for seniors, the two people said. And the West Virginia moderate expressed support with Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), the party’s chief negotiator, for extending subsidies that could help keep health insurance costs down for millions of Americans, one of the sources said.

Sounds very “Trumpy”. Are you becoming what you hate? 

Sometimes hardball needs to be played. Funny though neither you nor Cincy mentioned it when it occurred by the other side (I merely posited the proposition). Seems you’re both okay with it when it’s repubs playing hardball, lol.

Are you already what you hate? Lol.

I was going to mimic this exact thing to poke fun honestly. I knew you’d come back with the whole, “ I don’t recall you guys mentioning it when trump blah blah blah”. What does that have to do with you sounding like an absolute hypocrite?

His memory is complete shit.  He does this all the time, it's tiresome.  He is exactly what he pretends to hate.