Jan 6 Select Committee

joseph33 said:

What is the January 6th committee?  

What is sealioning? 

Lerxst1992 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

can we legitimately say trumps own campaign manager called him a murderer?


edit, https://www.nbcboston.com/news/national-international/former-campaign-manager-faults-trump-in-jan-6-death/2770401/

So…is that a no?

“I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters,” DJT

if he caused a death through his criminal plan, his supporters at least won’t care. However I always think of the example of the person who drives the getaway car getting charged with murder when his friends go rob the gas station and kill the clerk 

doesn’t matter he didn’t know they were going to kill anyone and he wasn’t there, he still gets charged with murder.  Stuff like that happens every day 

Lerxst1992 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

can we legitimately say trumps own campaign manager called him a murderer?


edit, https://www.nbcboston.com/news/national-international/former-campaign-manager-faults-trump-in-jan-6-death/2770401/

So…is that a no?

“I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters,” DJT

if he caused a death through his criminal plan, his supporters at least won’t care. However I always think of the example of the person who drives the getaway car getting charged with murder when his friends go rob the gas station and kill the clerk 

doesn’t matter he didn’t know they were going to kill anyone and he wasn’t there, he still gets charged with murder.  Stuff like that happens every day 

Just curious if it’s accurate to say his own campaign manager called him a murderer, at least in an indirect way? At the very least, he said trump is responsible for the deaths that day.

To me it's the term 'murder.'   Murder suggests premeditation and intent. Both of which were not there with Trump. (This is based on my Canadian understanding of the legal definition of murder.)  I was equally puzzled when the state of Minnesota wanted or tried to pin murder on the other cops involved with George Floyd. Didn't make sense to me. 

Trump's suggestion to ingest bleach possibly led to death as well... and certainly his mis-management and downplaying of the pandemic.. all of which don't equate to murder. 

Ultimately... I do believe his incompetence, negligence, and maliciousness had led to multiple deaths.  But that's not murder to me. Evil? Yes. Criminal? One would hope. 

His intent has always been to keep and maintain power. And he hasn't cared what got in his way... up to and including people suffering and loss of life itself. 

But there you are almost half of America... still supporting this greasy fuck. (hopefully less and less as the days go by.) 

mickeyrat said:

Parksy said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

can we legitimately say trumps own campaign manager called him a murderer?


edit, https://www.nbcboston.com/news/national-international/former-campaign-manager-faults-trump-in-jan-6-death/2770401/

So…is that a no?

“I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters,” DJT

if he caused a death through his criminal plan, his supporters at least won’t care. However I always think of the example of the person who drives the getaway car getting charged with murder when his friends go rob the gas station and kill the clerk 

doesn’t matter he didn’t know they were going to kill anyone and he wasn’t there, he still gets charged with murder.  Stuff like that happens every day 

Just curious if it’s accurate to say his own campaign manager called him a murderer, at least in an indirect way? At the very least, he said trump is responsible for the deaths that day.

To me it's the term 'murder.'   Murder suggests premeditation and intent. Both of which were not there with Trump. (This is based on my Canadian understanding of the legal definition of murder.)  I was equally puzzled when the state of Minnesota wanted or tried to pin murder on the other cops involved with George Floyd. Didn't make sense to me. 

Trump's suggestion to ingest bleach possibly led to death as well... and certainly his mis-management and downplaying of the pandemic.. all of which don't equate to murder. 

Ultimately... I do believe his incompetence, negligence, and maliciousness had led to multiple deaths.  But that's not murder to me. Evil? Yes. Criminal? One would hope. 

His intent has always been to keep and maintain power. And he hasn't cared what got in his way... up to and including people suffering and loss of life itself. 

But there you are almost half of America... still supporting this greasy fuck. (hopefully less and less as the days go by.) 

Mn cops. depraved indifference. they had an affirmative duty to intervene. they chose not to. murder 2 for them. as accomplices to murder.

Again.. it's the definitions that confuse me. Canada vs. Minnesota...  states vs. states etc. 

Parksy said:

What's going to be fascinating is to see how this all unfolds legally.  

Equally fascinating to me is the notion of: 

If the justice system cannot or does not hold a person like him accountable...  how do you expect the public to hold him accountable by means of either public support or at the ballot box?  

Ultimately... your country is in one dilly of a pickle. 

Not only that, but if we somehow do hold him accountable, civil war is almost a certainty.

HughFreakingDillon said:

no chance of civil war. there will be pockets of violence here or there, probably more than usual, but there's not going to be two heavily organized armies, divided mostly by geography, come out of this.

Way to crush my dreams, bruh….

Really, with all that's coming out, the most amazing thing, regardless of outcome, is that so many people either don't care or don't believe it. With Watergate, I'm too young to remember but it seems that even Nixon's supporters (most anyway) eventually accepted the truth. And now he's a punchline. Too much media and too many echo chambers make this so much different and so much more dangerous. Watergate pales in comparison to January 6 (among a few traitorous Trump and GQP actions) but it'll never be recognized as such because nearly half the country either approves of it all, doesn't believe it, or doesn't even hear about it. Where's Hunter? 

Lerxst1992 said:

Parksy said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

can we legitimately say trumps own campaign manager called him a murderer?


edit, https://www.nbcboston.com/news/national-international/former-campaign-manager-faults-trump-in-jan-6-death/2770401/

So…is that a no?

“I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters,” DJT

if he caused a death through his criminal plan, his supporters at least won’t care. However I always think of the example of the person who drives the getaway car getting charged with murder when his friends go rob the gas station and kill the clerk 

doesn’t matter he didn’t know they were going to kill anyone and he wasn’t there, he still gets charged with murder.  Stuff like that happens every day 

Just curious if it’s accurate to say his own campaign manager called him a murderer, at least in an indirect way? At the very least, he said trump is responsible for the deaths that day.

To me it's the term 'murder.'   Murder suggests premeditation and intent. Both of which were not there with Trump. (This is based on my Canadian understanding of the legal definition of murder.)  I was equally puzzled when the state of Minnesota wanted or tried to pin murder on the other cops involved with George Floyd. Didn't make sense to me. 

Trump's suggestion to ingest bleach possibly led to death as well... and certainly his mis-management and downplaying of the pandemic.. all of which don't equate to murder. 

Ultimately... I do believe his incompetence, negligence, and maliciousness had led to multiple deaths.  But that's not murder to me. Evil? Yes. Criminal? One would hope. 

His intent has always been to keep and maintain power. And he hasn't cared what got in his way... up to and including people suffering and loss of life itself. 

But there you are almost half of America... still supporting this greasy fuck. (hopefully less and less as the days go by.) 

Interesting that’s exactly where the committee was going yesterday, premeditation. The campaign manager, Brad Parscale, reasoned that since he was throwing around civil war type comments to enrage his “troops” it was premeditated, and since civil war is lethal, that counts for intent as we..

…

WASHINGTON — 

Then-President Trump’s call for his supporters to march on the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, was planned in advance, and he intended to go with them, evidence presented at Tuesday’s congressional hearing on the insurrection showed.

“He stoked their anger. He called for them to the fight for him. He directed them to the U.S. Capitol. He told them he would join them. And his supporters believed him, and many headed towards the Capitol,” said House Select Committee member Rep. Stephanie Murphy (D-Fla.). “As a result, people died. People were injured. Many of his supporters lives have never been the same.”

…

“A sitting president asking for civil war,” Parscale said in texts to Katrina Pierson, a former Trump campaign official who was reportedly involved in organizing the pre-riot rally.

Screenshots of the texts were displayed during the select committee’s latest public hearing Tuesday afternoon, which focused largely on the involvement of domestic violent extremist groups in the Jan. 6 insurrection.

“This week I feel guilty for helping him win,” Parscale wrote.

Pierson replied: “You did what you felt was right at the time and therefore it was right.”

Parscale responded, “Yeah. But a woman is dead,” adding with apparent shock, “Yeah. If I was trump and knew my rhetoric killed someone.”

Pierson told him, “It wasn’t the rhetoric.”

But Parscale shot back: “Katrina. Yes it was.”

It's premeditation to cause havok sure....  but it would be a huge stretch to suggest that he fully knew someone was going to get killed.  

Again... I'm very unfamiliar with state laws and american federal laws.  But I recently watched a neat documentary about 'swatting' in America.  And upon hearing about what it was I actually said to a friend of mine "someone's eventually going to get shot"  and he responded by saying "watch the documentary... it already happened." 

Story goes... a fellow called in a fake threat which caused the SWAT team to show up and they ended up killing an innocent victim. 

The person responsible for calling in the SWAT team is responsible of course... but for premeditated murder? You would have to have some clear evidence that there was intention for someone to die. 

With Trump... there is no chance he knew ahead of time someone would die and there is zero evidence thus far to show that he wanted someone to die. 

With the swatting thing.. the fellow got 20 years for involuntary manslaughter. If we're gonna have the conversation about the legal culpability of Trump and what Parscale was saying... to me it's more in line with just that... involuntary manslaughter. Or perhaps negligence causing death.  It's a way of saying: "Someone died because of what you did."  As opposed to: "You intentionally tried to kill someone."  

tempo_n_groove said:

Did anybody watch the Oathkeeper speak/testify?

He doesn't seem very gung ho for 45 anymore...

I think his inclusion especially on the live broadcast was to show those who still support Trump that the light bulb can turn on eventually. 

We've been chattin about legal ramifications etc. but I honestly think more important than that is trying to finally crack through the thick dumbass skulls of all of those who have been brainwashed by Trump and all his cronies in the senate, congress, and the media.  There is no shame in admitting you were wrong. There is no shame in admitting that you were had by a con artist.