Jan 6 Select Committee

Halifax2TheMax

“Some other cultural issues.”

What’s virtual signaling again? Lil help here.

Lerxst1992

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

It will be interesting to see what tRump's strategy is here with a 2024 announcement.

I have been saying that I don't believe he would run. Now I'm starting to think that he will announce that he is running so that he can play the victim card to enrage his base (again).

tRump is a giant piece of shit. Him announcing that he is running might be the best thing for the midterms and 2024 even though I do not think he will actually be on the ticket. He'll bale out before then.

Trump announcing this fall will be a gift to D's.  I don't know that it keeps both chambers, but it makes Trump the focus of the mid terms, which makes Jan 6th the focus.  None of that is good in federal elections for team R. 

Since he has already strongly suggested he is running, we may already be there as far as impact on midterms, unless he specifically announces he is not running. As bad as he is bad as he looks to some republicans now, he has proven he can get voters to the polls better than anyone else in his party. And since many gop primary winners believe the big election lie, one six should already be a big issue for most voters.

mrussel1

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

It will be interesting to see what tRump's strategy is here with a 2024 announcement.

I have been saying that I don't believe he would run. Now I'm starting to think that he will announce that he is running so that he can play the victim card to enrage his base (again).

tRump is a giant piece of shit. Him announcing that he is running might be the best thing for the midterms and 2024 even though I do not think he will actually be on the ticket. He'll bale out before then.

Trump announcing this fall will be a gift to D's.  I don't know that it keeps both chambers, but it makes Trump the focus of the mid terms, which makes Jan 6th the focus.  None of that is good in federal elections for team R. 

Since he has already strongly suggested he is running, we may already be there as far as impact on midterms, unless he specifically announces he is not running. As bad as he is bad as he looks to some republicans now, he has proven he can get voters to the polls better than anyone else in his party. And since many gop primary winners believe the big election lie, one six should already be a big issue for most voters.

He can also get Democrats to the polls better than anyone else, as well. 

HughFreakingDillon

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

It will be interesting to see what tRump's strategy is here with a 2024 announcement.

I have been saying that I don't believe he would run. Now I'm starting to think that he will announce that he is running so that he can play the victim card to enrage his base (again).

tRump is a giant piece of shit. Him announcing that he is running might be the best thing for the midterms and 2024 even though I do not think he will actually be on the ticket. He'll bale out before then.

Trump announcing this fall will be a gift to D's.  I don't know that it keeps both chambers, but it makes Trump the focus of the mid terms, which makes Jan 6th the focus.  None of that is good in federal elections for team R. 

Since he has already strongly suggested he is running, we may already be there as far as impact on midterms, unless he specifically announces he is not running. As bad as he is bad as he looks to some republicans now, he has proven he can get voters to the polls better than anyone else in his party. And since many gop primary winners believe the big election lie, one six should already be a big issue for most voters.

He can also get Democrats to the polls better than anyone else, as well. 

this. I'm hoping that after roe v wade and all the other supreme court bullshit, democrats and independents will see the road the US is headed and be very motivated to vote, no matter how hard R's try to suppress their way to another 4 years. 

Gern Blansten

https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1547675071027613702

still early but I like this...

Lerxst1992

cincybearcat said:

Lerxst1992 said:

The biggest dot is, as trump announces he is running this fall, all of us who so see him as a maniacal killer, need to ask our Republican friends and colleagues, “so you are going to vote for a murderer and cop killer?”

Murderer is quite dramatic....I'd advise against it.

Now - inciting violence that resulted in people dying.... 100%.

It would be very interesting to see where we would be if the pandemic had never happened...

1) Would trump have been re-elected?
2) If Biden had won....would the economy doing better have made 2024 more of a shoe-in?

There are plenty of reasons for a level-headed former republican (meaning pre-maga) to not vote for Trump.  A crazy amount of reasons actually.  And unfortunately there are also a crazy amount of reasons to not vote for Biden.  For a conservative voter the issues where I see these guys losing votes are:

Trump:
1) The fact that he doesn't believe in American Democracy
2) The fact that he doesn't support our intelligence agency
3) His alignment with dictators and strong men

Biden:
1) It's the economy stupid
2) Abortion and some other cultural issues
3) Immigration

For me, it's a no brainer as if you lose American Democracy you eventually will lose many of the the other things that matter to you, including a varying number of your freedoms depending on who you are and what you believe.  It's unfortunate that is the case, but that is how I see it.  

I think the calculus for that changed after Hutchinson's testimony. Trump knew in advance his people had weapons, guns, spears and bear spray, trump brought them to dc and sent them to congress armed and loaded. Trump literally sent an armed militia to congress with the full knowledge they were armed and dangerous. He should have also known they also had explosives and military assault weapons in advance, as that became public knowledge on Jan 7.

For people willing to limit this now to “inciting violence” is unfair to the truth. People need to be held accountable for how they vote. And we have the right to speak honestly about that. If trumps own campaign manager says these deaths are fully and completely the responsibility of trump, by all logic the man is a maniacal killer, and we have the right to call him that. Publicly.

static111

I predict he announces after the midterms and then floods the zone with shit.  None of the networks will ignore him as he is great for their ratings and bottom line.

Gern Blansten

I heard a Bannon clip that I had not heard yet on MSNBC a little bit ago.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/14/steve-bannon-audio-trump-declare-victory

We all knew this was the strategy but to hear him straight up spell it out is amazing. 

cincybearcat

Halifax2TheMax said:

“Some other cultural issues.”

What’s virtual signaling again? Lil help here.

For the other cultural issues I was referring mostly to the gender and sexuality debate and the "what's taught in school" type stuff.  Meaning these are some of the issues I see as to why some conservatives have a hard time voting for Joe and Dems.  And not as hard a line as you think...usually fine with lots of progress in those places, but also wonders where that finish line is.  Just my assessment from the people I know, could be off base.  

And shit...I forgot Guns....not sure how I forgot that issue.  Way too many conservatives have been scared into thinking common sense laws are an infringement on their rights and can't get past it.  

Halifax2TheMax

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

“Some other cultural issues.”

What’s virtual signaling again? Lil help here.

For the other cultural issues I was referring mostly to the gender and sexuality debate and the "what's taught in school" type stuff.  Meaning these are some of the issues I see as to why some conservatives have a hard time voting for Joe and Dems.  And not as hard a line as you think...usually fine with lots of progress in those places, but also wonders where that finish line is.  Just my assessment from the people I know, could be off base.  

And shit...I forgot Guns....not sure how I forgot that issue.  Way too many conservatives have been scared into thinking common sense laws are an infringement on their rights and can't get past it.  

You think any dem can appeal to cons? And what is “taught in school?” CRT? Finish line? Turning your kids gay and eliminating the white race. Cons ain’t Joe’s audience.

cincybearcat

Lerxst1992 said:

cincybearcat said:

Lerxst1992 said:

The biggest dot is, as trump announces he is running this fall, all of us who so see him as a maniacal killer, need to ask our Republican friends and colleagues, “so you are going to vote for a murderer and cop killer?”

Murderer is quite dramatic....I'd advise against it.

Now - inciting violence that resulted in people dying.... 100%.

It would be very interesting to see where we would be if the pandemic had never happened...

1) Would trump have been re-elected?
2) If Biden had won....would the economy doing better have made 2024 more of a shoe-in?

There are plenty of reasons for a level-headed former republican (meaning pre-maga) to not vote for Trump.  A crazy amount of reasons actually.  And unfortunately there are also a crazy amount of reasons to not vote for Biden.  For a conservative voter the issues where I see these guys losing votes are:

Trump:
1) The fact that he doesn't believe in American Democracy
2) The fact that he doesn't support our intelligence agency
3) His alignment with dictators and strong men

Biden:
1) It's the economy stupid
2) Abortion and some other cultural issues
3) Immigration

For me, it's a no brainer as if you lose American Democracy you eventually will lose many of the the other things that matter to you, including a varying number of your freedoms depending on who you are and what you believe.  It's unfortunate that is the case, but that is how I see it.  

I think the calculus for that changed after Hutchinson's testimony. Trump knew in advance his people had weapons, guns, spears and bear spray, trump brought them to dc and sent them to congress armed and loaded. Trump literally sent an armed militia to congress with the full knowledge they were armed and dangerous. He should have also known they also had explosives and military assault weapons in advance, as that became public knowledge on Jan 7.

For people willing to limit this now to “inciting violence” is unfair to the truth. People need to be held accountable for how they vote. And we have the right to speak honestly about that. If trumps own campaign manager says these deaths are fully and completely the responsibility of trump, by all logic the man is a maniacal killer, and we have the right to call him that. Publicly.

Perhaps.  I certainly believe his words led to the deaths.  I just think it's still a tough leap for some to say he is a murder.  But maybe you are right.

Gern Blansten

The final committee hearing is going to focus on the meetings between the WH and Proud Boys/Oath Keepers I believe....should be interesting

cincybearcat

Halifax2TheMax said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

“Some other cultural issues.”

What’s virtual signaling again? Lil help here.

For the other cultural issues I was referring mostly to the gender and sexuality debate and the "what's taught in school" type stuff.  Meaning these are some of the issues I see as to why some conservatives have a hard time voting for Joe and Dems.  And not as hard a line as you think...usually fine with lots of progress in those places, but also wonders where that finish line is.  Just my assessment from the people I know, could be off base.  

And shit...I forgot Guns....not sure how I forgot that issue.  Way too many conservatives have been scared into thinking common sense laws are an infringement on their rights and can't get past it.  

You think any dem can appeal to cons? And what is “taught in school?” CRT? Finish line? Turning your kids gay and eliminating the white race. Cons ain’t Joe’s audience.

Vs trump I do think so.  I have been far more republican than democrat in my life...and I voted for Hillary and Biden.  So I do think it's possible.

Have you looked at some of the questions in those math textbooks?  They were clearly there to drive an agenda, and it wasn't math.  For the most part I think people complaining about that are out of line and taking it too far, but there are clear examples for me that are driving a political agenda through a freakin math problem.  It's probably a really small % but I hate that it gave any credibility to the complaint.

Halifax2TheMax

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

“Some other cultural issues.”

What’s virtual signaling again? Lil help here.

For the other cultural issues I was referring mostly to the gender and sexuality debate and the "what's taught in school" type stuff.  Meaning these are some of the issues I see as to why some conservatives have a hard time voting for Joe and Dems.  And not as hard a line as you think...usually fine with lots of progress in those places, but also wonders where that finish line is.  Just my assessment from the people I know, could be off base.  

And shit...I forgot Guns....not sure how I forgot that issue.  Way too many conservatives have been scared into thinking common sense laws are an infringement on their rights and can't get past it.  

You think any dem can appeal to cons? And what is “taught in school?” CRT? Finish line? Turning your kids gay and eliminating the white race. Cons ain’t Joe’s audience.

Vs trump I do think so.  I have been far more republican than democrat in my life...and I voted for Hillary and Biden.  So I do think it's possible.

Have you looked at some of the questions in those math textbooks?  They were clearly there to drive an agenda, and it wasn't math.  For the most part I think people complaining about that are out of line and taking it too far, but there are clear examples for me that are driving a political agenda through a freakin math problem.  It's probably a really small % but I hate that it gave any credibility to the complaint.

Were they textbooks? Or were they “worksheets?” I ask because Tejas, as a state with one of the largest purchaser’s of public school textbooks, has an inordinate amount of influence as it relates to textbook content, with a rigorous review process in place, and that influences what text books are purchased and what their content is throughout ‘Murica.

While you view it as “driving an agenda,” I view it as just more lame faux outrage to rally the masses. Like some kid is going to decide they’re gay or feel guilty about their race because of a math word problem. How do you drive an agenda with a small %?

cincybearcat

Halifax2TheMax said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

“Some other cultural issues.”

What’s virtual signaling again? Lil help here.

For the other cultural issues I was referring mostly to the gender and sexuality debate and the "what's taught in school" type stuff.  Meaning these are some of the issues I see as to why some conservatives have a hard time voting for Joe and Dems.  And not as hard a line as you think...usually fine with lots of progress in those places, but also wonders where that finish line is.  Just my assessment from the people I know, could be off base.  

And shit...I forgot Guns....not sure how I forgot that issue.  Way too many conservatives have been scared into thinking common sense laws are an infringement on their rights and can't get past it.  

You think any dem can appeal to cons? And what is “taught in school?” CRT? Finish line? Turning your kids gay and eliminating the white race. Cons ain’t Joe’s audience.

Vs trump I do think so.  I have been far more republican than democrat in my life...and I voted for Hillary and Biden.  So I do think it's possible.

Have you looked at some of the questions in those math textbooks?  They were clearly there to drive an agenda, and it wasn't math.  For the most part I think people complaining about that are out of line and taking it too far, but there are clear examples for me that are driving a political agenda through a freakin math problem.  It's probably a really small % but I hate that it gave any credibility to the complaint.

Were they textbooks? Or were they “worksheets?” I ask because Tejas, as a state with one of the largest purchaser’s of public school textbooks, has an inordinate amount of influence as it relates to textbook content, with a rigorous review process in place, and that influences what text books are purchased and what their content is throughout ‘Murica.

While you view it as “driving an agenda,” I view it as just more lame faux outrage to rally the masses. Like some kid is going to decide they’re gay or feel guilty about their race because of a math word problem. How do you drive an agenda with a small %?

It was a textbook.  And I am not sure if driving an agenda or not, cause if I had read it without the outrage out there I may not have thought much of anything.  I was reading them trying to find where the outrage came from and found some examples I thought made sense.

Again - it is a pretty weird thing to make the top of your (the general you) worry list.

TJ25487

Halifax2TheMax said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

“Some other cultural issues.”

What’s virtual signaling again? Lil help here.

For the other cultural issues I was referring mostly to the gender and sexuality debate and the "what's taught in school" type stuff.  Meaning these are some of the issues I see as to why some conservatives have a hard time voting for Joe and Dems.  And not as hard a line as you think...usually fine with lots of progress in those places, but also wonders where that finish line is.  Just my assessment from the people I know, could be off base.  

And shit...I forgot Guns....not sure how I forgot that issue.  Way too many conservatives have been scared into thinking common sense laws are an infringement on their rights and can't get past it.  

You think any dem can appeal to cons? And what is “taught in school?” CRT? Finish line? Turning your kids gay and eliminating the white race. Cons ain’t Joe’s audience.

Vs trump I do think so.  I have been far more republican than democrat in my life...and I voted for Hillary and Biden.  So I do think it's possible.

Have you looked at some of the questions in those math textbooks?  They were clearly there to drive an agenda, and it wasn't math.  For the most part I think people complaining about that are out of line and taking it too far, but there are clear examples for me that are driving a political agenda through a freakin math problem.  It's probably a really small % but I hate that it gave any credibility to the complaint.

Were they textbooks? Or were they “worksheets?” I ask because Tejas, as a state with one of the largest purchaser’s of public school textbooks, has an inordinate amount of influence as it relates to textbook content, with a rigorous review process in place, and that influences what text books are purchased and what their content is throughout ‘Murica.

While you view it as “driving an agenda,” I view it as just more lame faux outrage to rally the masses. Like some kid is going to decide they’re gay or feel guilty about their race because of a math word problem. How do you drive an agenda with a small %?

How do you drive an agenda with a small % you ask? By starting off small and then slowly increasing it. It's called desensitizing. 

Halifax2TheMax

TJ25487 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

“Some other cultural issues.”

What’s virtual signaling again? Lil help here.

For the other cultural issues I was referring mostly to the gender and sexuality debate and the "what's taught in school" type stuff.  Meaning these are some of the issues I see as to why some conservatives have a hard time voting for Joe and Dems.  And not as hard a line as you think...usually fine with lots of progress in those places, but also wonders where that finish line is.  Just my assessment from the people I know, could be off base.  

And shit...I forgot Guns....not sure how I forgot that issue.  Way too many conservatives have been scared into thinking common sense laws are an infringement on their rights and can't get past it.  

You think any dem can appeal to cons? And what is “taught in school?” CRT? Finish line? Turning your kids gay and eliminating the white race. Cons ain’t Joe’s audience.

Vs trump I do think so.  I have been far more republican than democrat in my life...and I voted for Hillary and Biden.  So I do think it's possible.

Have you looked at some of the questions in those math textbooks?  They were clearly there to drive an agenda, and it wasn't math.  For the most part I think people complaining about that are out of line and taking it too far, but there are clear examples for me that are driving a political agenda through a freakin math problem.  It's probably a really small % but I hate that it gave any credibility to the complaint.

Were they textbooks? Or were they “worksheets?” I ask because Tejas, as a state with one of the largest purchaser’s of public school textbooks, has an inordinate amount of influence as it relates to textbook content, with a rigorous review process in place, and that influences what text books are purchased and what their content is throughout ‘Murica.

While you view it as “driving an agenda,” I view it as just more lame faux outrage to rally the masses. Like some kid is going to decide they’re gay or feel guilty about their race because of a math word problem. How do you drive an agenda with a small %?

How do you drive an agenda with a small % you ask? By starting off small and then slowly increasing it. It's called desensitizing. 

So, are kids going to turn gay or feel guilty of their race because of a math word problem? And is that the “agenda?”

cincybearcat

Halifax2TheMax said:

TJ25487 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

“Some other cultural issues.”

What’s virtual signaling again? Lil help here.

For the other cultural issues I was referring mostly to the gender and sexuality debate and the "what's taught in school" type stuff.  Meaning these are some of the issues I see as to why some conservatives have a hard time voting for Joe and Dems.  And not as hard a line as you think...usually fine with lots of progress in those places, but also wonders where that finish line is.  Just my assessment from the people I know, could be off base.  

And shit...I forgot Guns....not sure how I forgot that issue.  Way too many conservatives have been scared into thinking common sense laws are an infringement on their rights and can't get past it.  

You think any dem can appeal to cons? And what is “taught in school?” CRT? Finish line? Turning your kids gay and eliminating the white race. Cons ain’t Joe’s audience.

Vs trump I do think so.  I have been far more republican than democrat in my life...and I voted for Hillary and Biden.  So I do think it's possible.

Have you looked at some of the questions in those math textbooks?  They were clearly there to drive an agenda, and it wasn't math.  For the most part I think people complaining about that are out of line and taking it too far, but there are clear examples for me that are driving a political agenda through a freakin math problem.  It's probably a really small % but I hate that it gave any credibility to the complaint.

Were they textbooks? Or were they “worksheets?” I ask because Tejas, as a state with one of the largest purchaser’s of public school textbooks, has an inordinate amount of influence as it relates to textbook content, with a rigorous review process in place, and that influences what text books are purchased and what their content is throughout ‘Murica.

While you view it as “driving an agenda,” I view it as just more lame faux outrage to rally the masses. Like some kid is going to decide they’re gay or feel guilty about their race because of a math word problem. How do you drive an agenda with a small %?

How do you drive an agenda with a small % you ask? By starting off small and then slowly increasing it. It's called desensitizing. 

So, are kids going to turn gay or feel guilty of their race because of a math word problem? And is that the “agenda?”

So I wonder how you would feel about a math problem involving a political topic that you hold a different opinion on?  Cause that's how I was trying to look at it.  Then again, as I said, if I wasn't specifically looking for it I might not have noticed at all.

TJ25487

Halifax2TheMax said:

TJ25487 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

“Some other cultural issues.”

What’s virtual signaling again? Lil help here.

For the other cultural issues I was referring mostly to the gender and sexuality debate and the "what's taught in school" type stuff.  Meaning these are some of the issues I see as to why some conservatives have a hard time voting for Joe and Dems.  And not as hard a line as you think...usually fine with lots of progress in those places, but also wonders where that finish line is.  Just my assessment from the people I know, could be off base.  

And shit...I forgot Guns....not sure how I forgot that issue.  Way too many conservatives have been scared into thinking common sense laws are an infringement on their rights and can't get past it.  

You think any dem can appeal to cons? And what is “taught in school?” CRT? Finish line? Turning your kids gay and eliminating the white race. Cons ain’t Joe’s audience.

Vs trump I do think so.  I have been far more republican than democrat in my life...and I voted for Hillary and Biden.  So I do think it's possible.

Have you looked at some of the questions in those math textbooks?  They were clearly there to drive an agenda, and it wasn't math.  For the most part I think people complaining about that are out of line and taking it too far, but there are clear examples for me that are driving a political agenda through a freakin math problem.  It's probably a really small % but I hate that it gave any credibility to the complaint.

Were they textbooks? Or were they “worksheets?” I ask because Tejas, as a state with one of the largest purchaser’s of public school textbooks, has an inordinate amount of influence as it relates to textbook content, with a rigorous review process in place, and that influences what text books are purchased and what their content is throughout ‘Murica.

While you view it as “driving an agenda,” I view it as just more lame faux outrage to rally the masses. Like some kid is going to decide they’re gay or feel guilty about their race because of a math word problem. How do you drive an agenda with a small %?

How do you drive an agenda with a small % you ask? By starting off small and then slowly increasing it. It's called desensitizing. 

So, are kids going to turn gay or feel guilty of their race because of a math word problem? And is that the “agenda?”





No that won't turn them gay but it would be a good tool for a teacher to use if they wanted to groom them into it. 

Gern Blansten

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

TJ25487 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

“Some other cultural issues.”

What’s virtual signaling again? Lil help here.

For the other cultural issues I was referring mostly to the gender and sexuality debate and the "what's taught in school" type stuff.  Meaning these are some of the issues I see as to why some conservatives have a hard time voting for Joe and Dems.  And not as hard a line as you think...usually fine with lots of progress in those places, but also wonders where that finish line is.  Just my assessment from the people I know, could be off base.  

And shit...I forgot Guns....not sure how I forgot that issue.  Way too many conservatives have been scared into thinking common sense laws are an infringement on their rights and can't get past it.  

You think any dem can appeal to cons? And what is “taught in school?” CRT? Finish line? Turning your kids gay and eliminating the white race. Cons ain’t Joe’s audience.

Vs trump I do think so.  I have been far more republican than democrat in my life...and I voted for Hillary and Biden.  So I do think it's possible.

Have you looked at some of the questions in those math textbooks?  They were clearly there to drive an agenda, and it wasn't math.  For the most part I think people complaining about that are out of line and taking it too far, but there are clear examples for me that are driving a political agenda through a freakin math problem.  It's probably a really small % but I hate that it gave any credibility to the complaint.

Were they textbooks? Or were they “worksheets?” I ask because Tejas, as a state with one of the largest purchaser’s of public school textbooks, has an inordinate amount of influence as it relates to textbook content, with a rigorous review process in place, and that influences what text books are purchased and what their content is throughout ‘Murica.

While you view it as “driving an agenda,” I view it as just more lame faux outrage to rally the masses. Like some kid is going to decide they’re gay or feel guilty about their race because of a math word problem. How do you drive an agenda with a small %?

How do you drive an agenda with a small % you ask? By starting off small and then slowly increasing it. It's called desensitizing. 

So, are kids going to turn gay or feel guilty of their race because of a math word problem? And is that the “agenda?”

So I wonder how you would feel about a math problem involving a political topic that you hold a different opinion on?  Cause that's how I was trying to look at it.  Then again, as I said, if I wasn't specifically looking for it I might not have noticed at all.

Can you post a link to the math problem that you are referring to?