SCOTUS (Supreme Court of the United States)

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

the incrementalism argument is the same one gun enthusiasts use and we dismiss. 

Don’t even need to go there.

” Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

They offered the coach a private place to pray and exercise his religion, and tried to negotiate, but the coach would rather bully us with his religious rituals on the fifty yard line, on a field paid for by the public while getting paid by the public.

 If allowing the leader of the football team to practice religion on a publicly paid for field during game activities help isnt establishing religion as part of the high school program, I’m not sure words matter anymore, because America has lost its way.

He literally argued against the first amendment and won based on first amendment “Every American should be able to have faith in public and not to be worried about being fired over it." 

Forget the Roe ruling, if there is anything screaming for democrats to add judges to this disgraceful court, it’s this decision.

The school was prohibiting free exercise of religion.  

I think you're all off base on this.  If the coach linked PT to the prayer,  then the case would be stronger. But I have not heard that he did.  So he was exercising his freedoms as an individual.

He literally said he viewed those who participated as better people.

"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others... But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen."

-Jesus Christ

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

the incrementalism argument is the same one gun enthusiasts use and we dismiss. 

Don’t even need to go there.

” Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

They offered the coach a private place to pray and exercise his religion, and tried to negotiate, but the coach would rather bully us with his religious rituals on the fifty yard line, on a field paid for by the public while getting paid by the public.

 If allowing the leader of the football team to practice religion on a publicly paid for field during game activities help isnt establishing religion as part of the high school program, I’m not sure words matter anymore, because America has lost its way.

He literally argued against the first amendment and won based on first amendment “Every American should be able to have faith in public and not to be worried about being fired over it." 

Forget the Roe ruling, if there is anything screaming for democrats to add judges to this disgraceful court, it’s this decision.

The school was prohibiting free exercise of religion.  

I think you're all off base on this.  If the coach linked PT to the prayer,  then the case would be stronger. But I have not heard that he did.  So he was exercising his freedoms as an individual.

He literally said he viewed those who participated as better people.

"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others... But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen."

-Jesus Christ

The plaintiff said he viewed the team that way?

But, Katskee said, that is not what Kennedy had engaged in. Instead, Katskee argued, Kennedy "insisted on audible prayers at the 50-yard line with students ... (and) announced in the press that those prayers are how he helps these kids be better people."

….


if I dont want to join the public prayer, I am feeling bullied and intimidated by that comment. This is an extremely troubling opinion.

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

the incrementalism argument is the same one gun enthusiasts use and we dismiss. 

Don’t even need to go there.

” Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

They offered the coach a private place to pray and exercise his religion, and tried to negotiate, but the coach would rather bully us with his religious rituals on the fifty yard line, on a field paid for by the public while getting paid by the public.

 If allowing the leader of the football team to practice religion on a publicly paid for field during game activities help isnt establishing religion as part of the high school program, I’m not sure words matter anymore, because America has lost its way.

He literally argued against the first amendment and won based on first amendment “Every American should be able to have faith in public and not to be worried about being fired over it." 

Forget the Roe ruling, if there is anything screaming for democrats to add judges to this disgraceful court, it’s this decision.

The school was prohibiting free exercise of religion.  

I think you're all off base on this.  If the coach linked PT to the prayer,  then the case would be stronger. But I have not heard that he did.  So he was exercising his freedoms as an individual.

He literally said he viewed those who participated as better people.

"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others... But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen."

-Jesus Christ

The plaintiff said he viewed the team that way?

But, Katskee said, that is not what Kennedy had engaged in. Instead, Katskee argued, Kennedy "insisted on audible prayers at the 50-yard line with students ... (and) announced in the press that those prayers are how he helps these kids be better people."

….


if I dont want to join the public prayer, I am feeling bullied and intimidated by that comment. This is an extremely troubling opinion.



was going to quote myself, but edit instead….I this isn’t discrimination against those choosing not to pray in public, fully sanctioned by the court, I don’t know what is.

Agreed...and it's a slippery slope. We can imagine the scenarios that will play out now as mentioned here before. Muslim prayers, church of Satan, etc.  I know the church of Satan prayers are unlikely but hopefully someone does it to make a point.

And where is the line drawn? If someone's religion calls for smoking marijuana during prayer will that be allowed on the 50 yard line? There was a guy in Indiana that started the church of cannabis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Church_of_Cannabis) that attempted that strategy...he got shot down by the courts but what if this happened in a state where cannabis was legal?

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

the incrementalism argument is the same one gun enthusiasts use and we dismiss. 

Don’t even need to go there.

” Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

They offered the coach a private place to pray and exercise his religion, and tried to negotiate, but the coach would rather bully us with his religious rituals on the fifty yard line, on a field paid for by the public while getting paid by the public.

 If allowing the leader of the football team to practice religion on a publicly paid for field during game activities help isnt establishing religion as part of the high school program, I’m not sure words matter anymore, because America has lost its way.

He literally argued against the first amendment and won based on first amendment “Every American should be able to have faith in public and not to be worried about being fired over it." 

Forget the Roe ruling, if there is anything screaming for democrats to add judges to this disgraceful court, it’s this decision.

The school was prohibiting free exercise of religion.  

I think you're all off base on this.  If the coach linked PT to the prayer,  then the case would be stronger. But I have not heard that he did.  So he was exercising his freedoms as an individual.

He literally said he viewed those who participated as better people.

"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others... But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen."

-Jesus Christ

The plaintiff said he viewed the team that way?

But, Katskee said, that is not what Kennedy had engaged in. Instead, Katskee argued, Kennedy "insisted on audible prayers at the 50-yard line with students ... (and) announced in the press that those prayers are how he helps these kids be better people."

….


if I dont want to join the public prayer, I am feeling bullied and intimidated by that comment. This is an extremely troubling opinion.



was going to quote myself, but edit instead….I this isn’t discrimination against those choosing not to pray in public, fully sanctioned by the court, I don’t know what is.

Agreed...and it's a slippery slope. We can imagine the scenarios that will play out now as mentioned here before. Muslim prayers, church of Satan, etc.  I know the church of Satan prayers are unlikely but hopefully someone does it to make a point.

And where is the line drawn? If someone's religion calls for smoking marijuana during prayer will that be allowed on the 50 yard line? There was a guy in Indiana that started the church of cannabis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Church_of_Cannabis) that attempted that strategy...he got shot down by the courts but what if this happened in a state where cannabis was legal?

I really wish people would throw stuff back in their faces.  I'd do it but it's disingenuous as I am not a muslim.  But why don't people do it?  Muslims should be praying all over the fields....people in open carry states should get guns and walk around wherever it is legal and as close to politicians, judges, etc as possible (all within the law and no intention of using the firearm of course).  But why not throw their bullshit right back in their face and maybe even make them a little scared?

Man - I wish I could get myself to get a gun...I just can't.  Which is why I guess people don't do this stuff  

I hear you.

I agree though that there should be a show of force with open carry. Put the stress on the police and maybe they will finally be vocal about how open carry is insane and prevents them from doing their jobs.  

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

the incrementalism argument is the same one gun enthusiasts use and we dismiss. 

Don’t even need to go there.

” Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

They offered the coach a private place to pray and exercise his religion, and tried to negotiate, but the coach would rather bully us with his religious rituals on the fifty yard line, on a field paid for by the public while getting paid by the public.

 If allowing the leader of the football team to practice religion on a publicly paid for field during game activities help isnt establishing religion as part of the high school program, I’m not sure words matter anymore, because America has lost its way.

He literally argued against the first amendment and won based on first amendment “Every American should be able to have faith in public and not to be worried about being fired over it." 

Forget the Roe ruling, if there is anything screaming for democrats to add judges to this disgraceful court, it’s this decision.

The school was prohibiting free exercise of religion.  

I think you're all off base on this.  If the coach linked PT to the prayer,  then the case would be stronger. But I have not heard that he did.  So he was exercising his freedoms as an individual.

He literally said he viewed those who participated as better people.

"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others... But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen."

-Jesus Christ

The plaintiff said he viewed the team that way?

But, Katskee said, that is not what Kennedy had engaged in. Instead, Katskee argued, Kennedy "insisted on audible prayers at the 50-yard line with students ... (and) announced in the press that those prayers are how he helps these kids be better people."

….


if I dont want to join the public prayer, I am feeling bullied and intimidated by that comment. This is an extremely troubling opinion.



was going to quote myself, but edit instead….I this isn’t discrimination against those choosing not to pray in public, fully sanctioned by the court, I don’t know what is.

Agreed...and it's a slippery slope. We can imagine the scenarios that will play out now as mentioned here before. Muslim prayers, church of Satan, etc.  I know the church of Satan prayers are unlikely but hopefully someone does it to make a point.

And where is the line drawn? If someone's religion calls for smoking marijuana during prayer will that be allowed on the 50 yard line? There was a guy in Indiana that started the church of cannabis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Church_of_Cannabis) that attempted that strategy...he got shot down by the courts but what if this happened in a state where cannabis was legal?

The cannabis angle was done before, countless times by the Rastafarians to no avail.

Why you couldn't have a prayer in a school under free speech always concerned me.  There is no real separation of Church and State, if their was any mention of God would be stricken and you wouldn't still be swearing an oath on a bible.

Where the prayers get muddled is when you have an ashiest or Jewish or maybe a Roman Catholic in the group whom is uncomfortable doing the prayer but feels obligated.  I think a prayer is fine but asking others to a prayer circle may not be ok.

NASCAR before every race still does a prayer.  I always found that interesting.

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

the incrementalism argument is the same one gun enthusiasts use and we dismiss. 

Don’t even need to go there.

” Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

They offered the coach a private place to pray and exercise his religion, and tried to negotiate, but the coach would rather bully us with his religious rituals on the fifty yard line, on a field paid for by the public while getting paid by the public.

 If allowing the leader of the football team to practice religion on a publicly paid for field during game activities help isnt establishing religion as part of the high school program, I’m not sure words matter anymore, because America has lost its way.

He literally argued against the first amendment and won based on first amendment “Every American should be able to have faith in public and not to be worried about being fired over it." 

Forget the Roe ruling, if there is anything screaming for democrats to add judges to this disgraceful court, it’s this decision.

The school was prohibiting free exercise of religion.  

I think you're all off base on this.  If the coach linked PT to the prayer,  then the case would be stronger. But I have not heard that he did.  So he was exercising his freedoms as an individual.

He literally said he viewed those who participated as better people.

"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others... But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen."

-Jesus Christ

The plaintiff said he viewed the team that way?

But, Katskee said, that is not what Kennedy had engaged in. Instead, Katskee argued, Kennedy "insisted on audible prayers at the 50-yard line with students ... (and) announced in the press that those prayers are how he helps these kids be better people."

….


if I dont want to join the public prayer, I am feeling bullied and intimidated by that comment. This is an extremely troubling opinion.



was going to quote myself, but edit instead….I this isn’t discrimination against those choosing not to pray in public, fully sanctioned by the court, I don’t know what is.

Agreed...and it's a slippery slope. We can imagine the scenarios that will play out now as mentioned here before. Muslim prayers, church of Satan, etc.  I know the church of Satan prayers are unlikely but hopefully someone does it to make a point.

And where is the line drawn? If someone's religion calls for smoking marijuana during prayer will that be allowed on the 50 yard line? There was a guy in Indiana that started the church of cannabis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Church_of_Cannabis) that attempted that strategy...he got shot down by the courts but what if this happened in a state where cannabis was legal?

The cannabis angle was done before, countless times by the Rastafarians to no avail.

Why you couldn't have a prayer in a school under free speech always concerned me.  There is no real separation of Church and State, if their was any mention of God would be stricken and you wouldn't still be swearing an oath on a bible.

Where the prayers get muddled is when you have an ashiest or Jewish or maybe a Roman Catholic in the group whom is uncomfortable doing the prayer but feels obligated.  I think a prayer is fine but asking others to a prayer circle may not be ok.

NASCAR before every race still does a prayer.  I always found that interesting.

NASCAR isn’t a public entity though.  Nor is a private school where prayer is 100 percent fine. It’s different 

if I wanted to say grace before lunch at school as a teacher in a public school,  totally acceptable.  If I decided to lead the cafeteria in grace before lunch that’s different. Your speech being for your benefit vs your speech being directed at everyone present.  It becomes praying at people, not praying to god. God can hear you and doesn’t require a crowd.  If I want to eat lunch in the designated eating place I can’t leave. 

At the end of the day, there should be a line. What that line is, that’s a great debate.  However many evangelicals and this court seem to feel there should be no line. As long as it’s Christian prayer 

tempo_n_groove said:

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

the incrementalism argument is the same one gun enthusiasts use and we dismiss. 

Don’t even need to go there.

” Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

They offered the coach a private place to pray and exercise his religion, and tried to negotiate, but the coach would rather bully us with his religious rituals on the fifty yard line, on a field paid for by the public while getting paid by the public.

 If allowing the leader of the football team to practice religion on a publicly paid for field during game activities help isnt establishing religion as part of the high school program, I’m not sure words matter anymore, because America has lost its way.

He literally argued against the first amendment and won based on first amendment “Every American should be able to have faith in public and not to be worried about being fired over it." 

Forget the Roe ruling, if there is anything screaming for democrats to add judges to this disgraceful court, it’s this decision.

The school was prohibiting free exercise of religion.  

I think you're all off base on this.  If the coach linked PT to the prayer,  then the case would be stronger. But I have not heard that he did.  So he was exercising his freedoms as an individual.

He literally said he viewed those who participated as better people.

"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others... But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen."

-Jesus Christ

The plaintiff said he viewed the team that way?

But, Katskee said, that is not what Kennedy had engaged in. Instead, Katskee argued, Kennedy "insisted on audible prayers at the 50-yard line with students ... (and) announced in the press that those prayers are how he helps these kids be better people."

….


if I dont want to join the public prayer, I am feeling bullied and intimidated by that comment. This is an extremely troubling opinion.



was going to quote myself, but edit instead….I this isn’t discrimination against those choosing not to pray in public, fully sanctioned by the court, I don’t know what is.

Agreed...and it's a slippery slope. We can imagine the scenarios that will play out now as mentioned here before. Muslim prayers, church of Satan, etc.  I know the church of Satan prayers are unlikely but hopefully someone does it to make a point.

And where is the line drawn? If someone's religion calls for smoking marijuana during prayer will that be allowed on the 50 yard line? There was a guy in Indiana that started the church of cannabis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Church_of_Cannabis) that attempted that strategy...he got shot down by the courts but what if this happened in a state where cannabis was legal?

The cannabis angle was done before, countless times by the Rastafarians to no avail.

Why you couldn't have a prayer in a school under free speech always concerned me.  There is no real separation of Church and State, if their was any mention of God would be stricken and you wouldn't still be swearing an oath on a bible.

Where the prayers get muddled is when you have an ashiest or Jewish or maybe a Roman Catholic in the group whom is uncomfortable doing the prayer but feels obligated.  I think a prayer is fine but asking others to a prayer circle may not be ok.

NASCAR before every race still does a prayer.  I always found that interesting.

NASCAR isn’t a public entity though.  Nor is a private school where prayer is 100 percent fine. It’s different 

if I wanted to say grace before lunch at school as a teacher in a public school,  totally acceptable.  If I decided to lead the cafeteria in grace before lunch that’s different. Your speech being for your benefit vs your speech being directed at everyone present.  It becomes praying at people, not praying to god. God can hear you and doesn’t require a crowd.  If I want to eat lunch in the designated eating place I can’t leave. 

At the end of the day, there should be a line. What that line is, that’s a great debate.  However many evangelicals and this court seem to feel there should be no line. As long as it’s Christian prayer 

NASCAR wanting to be all inclusive nowadays makes it all the more interesting, private or not.

Your take is basically what I said to.  When it's a group thing is where it gets complicated.

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

the incrementalism argument is the same one gun enthusiasts use and we dismiss. 

Don’t even need to go there.

” Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

They offered the coach a private place to pray and exercise his religion, and tried to negotiate, but the coach would rather bully us with his religious rituals on the fifty yard line, on a field paid for by the public while getting paid by the public.

 If allowing the leader of the football team to practice religion on a publicly paid for field during game activities help isnt establishing religion as part of the high school program, I’m not sure words matter anymore, because America has lost its way.

He literally argued against the first amendment and won based on first amendment “Every American should be able to have faith in public and not to be worried about being fired over it." 

Forget the Roe ruling, if there is anything screaming for democrats to add judges to this disgraceful court, it’s this decision.

The school was prohibiting free exercise of religion.  

I think you're all off base on this.  If the coach linked PT to the prayer,  then the case would be stronger. But I have not heard that he did.  So he was exercising his freedoms as an individual.

He literally said he viewed those who participated as better people.

"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others... But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen."

-Jesus Christ

The plaintiff said he viewed the team that way?

But, Katskee said, that is not what Kennedy had engaged in. Instead, Katskee argued, Kennedy "insisted on audible prayers at the 50-yard line with students ... (and) announced in the press that those prayers are how he helps these kids be better people."

….


if I dont want to join the public prayer, I am feeling bullied and intimidated by that comment. This is an extremely troubling opinion.



was going to quote myself, but edit instead….I this isn’t discrimination against those choosing not to pray in public, fully sanctioned by the court, I don’t know what is.

Agreed...and it's a slippery slope. We can imagine the scenarios that will play out now as mentioned here before. Muslim prayers, church of Satan, etc.  I know the church of Satan prayers are unlikely but hopefully someone does it to make a point.

And where is the line drawn? If someone's religion calls for smoking marijuana during prayer will that be allowed on the 50 yard line? There was a guy in Indiana that started the church of cannabis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Church_of_Cannabis) that attempted that strategy...he got shot down by the courts but what if this happened in a state where cannabis was legal?

The cannabis angle was done before, countless times by the Rastafarians to no avail.

Why you couldn't have a prayer in a school under free speech always concerned me.  There is no real separation of Church and State, if their was any mention of God would be stricken and you wouldn't still be swearing an oath on a bible.

Where the prayers get muddled is when you have an ashiest or Jewish or maybe a Roman Catholic in the group whom is uncomfortable doing the prayer but feels obligated.  I think a prayer is fine but asking others to a prayer circle may not be ok.

NASCAR before every race still does a prayer.  I always found that interesting.

NASCAR isn’t a public entity though.  Nor is a private school where prayer is 100 percent fine. It’s different 

if I wanted to say grace before lunch at school as a teacher in a public school,  totally acceptable.  If I decided to lead the cafeteria in grace before lunch that’s different. Your speech being for your benefit vs your speech being directed at everyone present.  It becomes praying at people, not praying to god. God can hear you and doesn’t require a crowd.  If I want to eat lunch in the designated eating place I can’t leave. 

At the end of the day, there should be a line. What that line is, that’s a great debate.  However many evangelicals and this court seem to feel there should be no line. As long as it’s Christian prayer 

NASCAR wanting to be all inclusive nowadays makes it all the more interesting, private or not.

Your take is basically what I said to.  When it's a group thing is where it gets complicated.

NASCAR is hillarious.  They are doing that as an organisation 

the fans are pissed 

I did a double take when they started actively trying to change.  That’s a really interesting example for sure 

tempo_n_groove said:

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

the incrementalism argument is the same one gun enthusiasts use and we dismiss. 

Don’t even need to go there.

” Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

They offered the coach a private place to pray and exercise his religion, and tried to negotiate, but the coach would rather bully us with his religious rituals on the fifty yard line, on a field paid for by the public while getting paid by the public.

 If allowing the leader of the football team to practice religion on a publicly paid for field during game activities help isnt establishing religion as part of the high school program, I’m not sure words matter anymore, because America has lost its way.

He literally argued against the first amendment and won based on first amendment “Every American should be able to have faith in public and not to be worried about being fired over it." 

Forget the Roe ruling, if there is anything screaming for democrats to add judges to this disgraceful court, it’s this decision.

The school was prohibiting free exercise of religion.  

I think you're all off base on this.  If the coach linked PT to the prayer,  then the case would be stronger. But I have not heard that he did.  So he was exercising his freedoms as an individual.

He literally said he viewed those who participated as better people.

"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others... But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen."

-Jesus Christ

The plaintiff said he viewed the team that way?

But, Katskee said, that is not what Kennedy had engaged in. Instead, Katskee argued, Kennedy "insisted on audible prayers at the 50-yard line with students ... (and) announced in the press that those prayers are how he helps these kids be better people."

….


if I dont want to join the public prayer, I am feeling bullied and intimidated by that comment. This is an extremely troubling opinion.



was going to quote myself, but edit instead….I this isn’t discrimination against those choosing not to pray in public, fully sanctioned by the court, I don’t know what is.

Agreed...and it's a slippery slope. We can imagine the scenarios that will play out now as mentioned here before. Muslim prayers, church of Satan, etc.  I know the church of Satan prayers are unlikely but hopefully someone does it to make a point.

And where is the line drawn? If someone's religion calls for smoking marijuana during prayer will that be allowed on the 50 yard line? There was a guy in Indiana that started the church of cannabis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Church_of_Cannabis) that attempted that strategy...he got shot down by the courts but what if this happened in a state where cannabis was legal?

The cannabis angle was done before, countless times by the Rastafarians to no avail.

Why you couldn't have a prayer in a school under free speech always concerned me.  There is no real separation of Church and State, if their was any mention of God would be stricken and you wouldn't still be swearing an oath on a bible.

Where the prayers get muddled is when you have an ashiest or Jewish or maybe a Roman Catholic in the group whom is uncomfortable doing the prayer but feels obligated.  I think a prayer is fine but asking others to a prayer circle may not be ok.

NASCAR before every race still does a prayer.  I always found that interesting.

NASCAR isn’t a public entity though.  Nor is a private school where prayer is 100 percent fine. It’s different 

if I wanted to say grace before lunch at school as a teacher in a public school,  totally acceptable.  If I decided to lead the cafeteria in grace before lunch that’s different. Your speech being for your benefit vs your speech being directed at everyone present.  It becomes praying at people, not praying to god. God can hear you and doesn’t require a crowd.  If I want to eat lunch in the designated eating place I can’t leave. 

At the end of the day, there should be a line. What that line is, that’s a great debate.  However many evangelicals and this court seem to feel there should be no line. As long as it’s Christian prayer 

NASCAR wanting to be all inclusive nowadays makes it all the more interesting, private or not.

Your take is basically what I said to.  When it's a group thing is where it gets complicated.

NASCAR is hillarious.  They are doing that as an organisation 

the fans are pissed 

I did a double take when they started actively trying to change.  That’s a really interesting example for sure 

NASCAR has really changed from the Good ol Boys of old.  The fans might still be like that, I am not, but the people they are rooting for surely are not.  Great example was during the Bubba Wallace incident right after the banning of the confederate flag.  Every driver walked with him in solidarity.

NASCAR is trying.