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  • JBob87 said:
    Have seen a few comments here and elsewhere that variety has not decreased as well so I checked out the numbers.

    In both 2022 and 2016 (most recent semi-comparable tour) there were 17 songs that were played at least 40%+ of the time.

    13 songs were in this group in both 2022 and 2016 (Alive, Even Flow, Porch, Corduroy, Do The Evolution, Small Town, Given to Fly, Daughter, Better Man, Jeremy, Why Go, Black, Yellow Ledbetter).

    4 songs were common in one year but not the other (Quick Escape, Clairvoyants, Superblood Wolfmoon, Seven O’Clock in 2022; Mind Your Manners, Lightning Bolt, Rearviewmirror, State of Love & Trust in 2016).

    In 2022 with an average setlist of 21 songs / show this means that these 17 songs represent 80% of the setlist aka the average show gets ~4 relatively uncommon songs per night.

    In 2016 with an average setlist of 31 songs, the 17 common songs were 55% of the setlist, leaving room for ~14 unique songs per night.

    So objectively they are playing much more standard setlists on this tour than they have previously. I think it would go a long way to making people happy if they considered rotating a few of the ol standbys a bit more often. 
    This right here! Well said!
  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,462
    edited June 2022
    That first 3EB record is still one of my all time favorites. That was sophomore year of college for me. Also, saw them open for U2 during their PopMart tour at the Edward Jones Dome in St.Louis. 
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,601
    I'll need to see this trend continue into a next tour - one negotiated, contracted and scheduled with COVID in mind - before I am prepared to admit this is the new normal. 
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  • evenflow82
    evenflow82 Posts: 3,892
    100 Pacer said:
    PJNB said:
    It was said they were going to change things up well before the tour. So here we are. 
    Where was this said and what was said? I do not remember that 

    Wasn't it Jeff that was quoted saying he'd like the band to play more concise Zepplin-esque shows?

    Concise zeppelin shows?!?! 45 minute versions of no quarter and dazed and confused isn't concise. Zepp would be at the top of my list for bloated overly long live shows.
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  • droptheleash9
    droptheleash9 Posts: 1,468
    edited June 2022
    That first 3EB record is still one of my all time favorites. That was sophomore year of college for me. Also, saw them open for U2 during their PopMart tour at the Edward Jones Dome in St.Louis. 
    The self-titled Third Eye Blind album is one of my favorites from the 90s. It’s a complete album start to finish and one that I never have to skip a song on (my personal test of a what I consider a great album). They can play great fast songs and great slow songs…that part is similar to Pearl Jam IMO. Do they compare live to PJ? No. But they have put out some of the most popular music from the 90s. As others have said though it’s too bad Jenkins has had a falling out with multiple other band members. Him and Cadigan were an unbelievable song-writing duo.
  • droptheleash9
    droptheleash9 Posts: 1,468
    JimmyV said:
    I'll need to see this trend continue into a next tour - one negotiated, contracted and scheduled with COVID in mind - before I am prepared to admit this is the new normal. 
    ^ This. This tour could very well be an anomaly. I’m very much in the camp of let’s see what happens on the next tour before we declare the glory years over.
  • RT85129
    RT85129 Posts: 183
    I went to LA1 / LA2 and I will be going to MSG, Nash and probably STL or Toronto.....Thought LA1 / LA2 were great.  

    My off the wall take is if the band is going to do 20-25 songs a night, I'd love to see them seriously mix it up significantly.  Make it a pure...who the hell knows what they are going to play???  This is the perfect band with an unbelievable catalogue to do it.  It would mean that Elderly, DTE, Corduroy aren't heard every night....but, it would give some life to those songs which aren't played often.  For instance, I might be wrong....but, I'm not sure if we've heard Inside Job, Breakerfall during this tour.

    Anyways, just my opinion....if shorter shows.....go the Grateful Dead route and make it a who knows what we're going to get. 
  • mr bungle
    mr bungle Posts: 1,424
    JimmyV said:
    I'll need to see this trend continue into a next tour - one negotiated, contracted and scheduled with COVID in mind - before I am prepared to admit this is the new normal. 
    finally, a sensible take
  • unknown
    unknown Posts: 531
    One of the best songs ever written right here

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TcjyYqNrwec
  • cp3iverson
    cp3iverson Posts: 8,702
    edited June 2022
    unknown said:
    One of the best songs ever written right here

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TcjyYqNrwec
    Yeah that’s a great one.  Definitely a band that was way better than their big hits.  Motorcycle Drive By.  God of Wine.  Slow Motion.  Blinded.  So many classics. 

    I don’t really pay attention to Jenkins personally but that dude can write some great lyrics.  
  • cp3iverson
    cp3iverson Posts: 8,702
    They did just release their Unplugged album on Friday…
    really really good
    https://youtu.be/AHlOybXcT7o
  • 23scidoo
    23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 20,006
    For me, only health issues can excuse the short shows .. matter of age??..i don't think so, Bruce plays 3 hours??
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  • JBob87 said:
    Have seen a few comments here and elsewhere that variety has not decreased as well so I checked out the numbers.

    In both 2022 and 2016 (most recent semi-comparable tour) there were 17 songs that were played at least 40%+ of the time.

    13 songs were in this group in both 2022 and 2016 (Alive, Even Flow, Porch, Corduroy, Do The Evolution, Small Town, Given to Fly, Daughter, Better Man, Jeremy, Why Go, Black, Yellow Ledbetter).

    4 songs were common in one year but not the other (Quick Escape, Clairvoyants, Superblood Wolfmoon, Seven O’Clock in 2022; Mind Your Manners, Lightning Bolt, Rearviewmirror, State of Love & Trust in 2016).

    In 2022 with an average setlist of 21 songs / show this means that these 17 songs represent 80% of the setlist aka the average show gets ~4 relatively uncommon songs per night.

    In 2016 with an average setlist of 31 songs, the 17 common songs were 55% of the setlist, leaving room for ~14 unique songs per night.

    So objectively they are playing much more standard setlists on this tour than they have previously. I think it would go a long way to making people happy if they considered rotating a few of the ol standbys a bit more often. 
    This was a good post. 
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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,975
    JBob87 said:
    Have seen a few comments here and elsewhere that variety has not decreased as well so I checked out the numbers.

    In both 2022 and 2016 (most recent semi-comparable tour) there were 17 songs that were played at least 40%+ of the time.

    13 songs were in this group in both 2022 and 2016 (Alive, Even Flow, Porch, Corduroy, Do The Evolution, Small Town, Given to Fly, Daughter, Better Man, Jeremy, Why Go, Black, Yellow Ledbetter).

    4 songs were common in one year but not the other (Quick Escape, Clairvoyants, Superblood Wolfmoon, Seven O’Clock in 2022; Mind Your Manners, Lightning Bolt, Rearviewmirror, State of Love & Trust in 2016).

    In 2022 with an average setlist of 21 songs / show this means that these 17 songs represent 80% of the setlist aka the average show gets ~4 relatively uncommon songs per night.

    In 2016 with an average setlist of 31 songs, the 17 common songs were 55% of the setlist, leaving room for ~14 unique songs per night.

    So objectively they are playing much more standard setlists on this tour than they have previously. I think it would go a long way to making people happy if they considered rotating a few of the ol standbys a bit more often. 
    This was a good post. 

    +1

    PJ built its concert reputation with length, variety and surprise. If Father Time requires a shorter set (I get it, I’m in my late 50s) so be it. But why throw away all three points on their live reputation? They can play a shorter show and still rotate six to seven songs that aren’t staples.

    it seems they want that “crispness” to the shows, which is difficult when dusting off rarely played tunes.
  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    edited June 2022
    What year was it when they set out some info saying that they hear the fans complaints about the sets and are going to mix it up even more. Maybe I am remembering that wrong but I feel like there was something in the 10C newsletter or somewhere that said something along those lines a decade or two ago. 
  • demetrios
    demetrios Posts: 97,607
    Last night's set list was pretty, pretty, pretty good. :)
  • maximumlawman
    maximumlawman Regensburg, Germany Posts: 229
    demetrios said:
    Last night's set list was pretty, pretty, pretty good. :)
    I second that! In my opinion it was the perfect example of how you create a nicely balanced setlist, that pleases casual fans and rarity-hunters at the same time and leaves the crowd happy and exhausted after an energetic and tight 2 hour show that  (at least to me) felt 30 (or so) minutes longer. 
  • droptheleash9
    droptheleash9 Posts: 1,468
    demetrios said:
    Last night's set list was pretty, pretty, pretty good. :)
    I second that! In my opinion it was the perfect example of how you create a nicely balanced setlist, that pleases casual fans and rarity-hunters at the same time and leaves the crowd happy and exhausted after an energetic and tight 2 hour show that  (at least to me) felt 30 (or so) minutes longer. 
    Yup. Most here won't complain if the shows are shortened to 20-24 songs if we get the things you mentioned in your post in each set. Last night's set looked like a real treat!
  • Much better variety in Frankfurt.  That’s how you make the most out of a shorter set. 👍
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    10-02-96. The Meadows.  Hartford, CT
    08-29-00. Tweeter Center.  Mansfield, MA
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    03-27-11. Tres Mts (with Jeff and Mike).  Paradise Rock Club.  Boston, MA  
    06-16-11. EV solo tour.  The Wang Theater.  Boston, MA
    09-03-11. Alpine Valley. PJ20.  East Troy, WI
    09-04-11. Alpine Valley. PJ20.  East Troy, WI
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