Roe v Wade

Cropduster-80 said:

brianlux said:

Cropduster-80 said:

brianlux said:

At some point (sooner than later), we need to do more than just complain (not that that isn't understandable and appropriate).  We need to protest, educate voters, promote birth control, support Planned Parenthood (re recently donated dollars yet again) and most urgently, we need to support women who live in red states who want an abortion by sheltering them (opening homes, hotel vouchers, etc) and providing transportation to places that still allow abortions.  Many women are going to need our support now, not just our gripes.

Democrats are too polite, generally. 

They bring a knife to a gun fight, are bound by traditional standards of what is acceptable, cling to the notion the moral high ground actually matters , etc 


The far right bomb abortion clinics and shoot doctors at church to protest Roe… what are democrats really going to do? Nothing. They can’t and won’t. It’s both admirable and a weakness as they will not do anything at any cost to get their way. These people were 40 feet away from murdering their own Vice President that would never happen in the opposite situation. I mean it actually happened in 2000.  Gore voters didn’t try to storm the capital and try to hang Al Gore for not declaring himself the winner 

The conservatives succeeded. Enabling the far right this whole time and maintaining plausible deniability in specifically what they were doing 

Ask any woman who’s used a planned parenthood in the last 30 years (for any reason) in a deep red state. Most (or at least a lot) of them will tell you they were physically afraid for their safety just getting through the front door.  That’s what the conservatives do when they disagree, they unleash the fringe with a wink and a nod 

I'm not sure were on the same page here, Cropduster.  My comment was basically about supporting women.  You're talking about political actions.  I was talking about supporting women.

I agree that Democrats are often to "polite", but what are you suggesting?  That we resort to violence to oppose the other side?

 

I know very what what happens at Planned Parenthood centers.  Years ago, a close family member of mine drove by a Planned Parenthood clinic in a rough neighbor on her work every day.  One day, the far right protestors started harassing patients who were trying to get in there.  She walked past the protestors and wrote a check for $100 to that clinic.  When she came back out to her car, she told the protestors what she had done and told them she would do the same thing every day until they left.  That ended up costing her several hundred dollars but eventually they did back off.  I was afraid for her every day.

I won't go into detail, but I've done things to resist the right that could have caused me a huge amount of grief and harm.  I'm guessing by the wording in your post, you've put yourself on the line as well.  If you haven't, you might want to back off on the bluster a bit.

I’m just referring to when you are talking about the need to “protest” and not just complain 

democrats and republicans protest very differently and republicans are far more tolerant of their fringe when things get out of control. 

Protesting as a democrat is kind of pointless as it’s not as effective.  Im not saying democrats should get out of control I’m saying they play by different rules. Far right protesters scare people and that’s by design. It’s not right, but it’s true and they get away with it.  And yes, in college a bunch of us escorted anyone in my sisters sorority house to planned parenthood any time they needed birth control.  That was our normal Saturday and it didn’t always go well.

brianlux said:

Cropduster-80 said:

brianlux said:

Cropduster-80 said:

brianlux said:

At some point (sooner than later), we need to do more than just complain (not that that isn't understandable and appropriate).  We need to protest, educate voters, promote birth control, support Planned Parenthood (re recently donated dollars yet again) and most urgently, we need to support women who live in red states who want an abortion by sheltering them (opening homes, hotel vouchers, etc) and providing transportation to places that still allow abortions.  Many women are going to need our support now, not just our gripes.

Democrats are too polite, generally. 

They bring a knife to a gun fight, are bound by traditional standards of what is acceptable, cling to the notion the moral high ground actually matters , etc 


The far right bomb abortion clinics and shoot doctors at church to protest Roe… what are democrats really going to do? Nothing. They can’t and won’t. It’s both admirable and a weakness as they will not do anything at any cost to get their way. These people were 40 feet away from murdering their own Vice President that would never happen in the opposite situation. I mean it actually happened in 2000.  Gore voters didn’t try to storm the capital and try to hang Al Gore for not declaring himself the winner 

The conservatives succeeded. Enabling the far right this whole time and maintaining plausible deniability in specifically what they were doing 

Ask any woman who’s used a planned parenthood in the last 30 years (for any reason) in a deep red state. Most (or at least a lot) of them will tell you they were physically afraid for their safety just getting through the front door.  That’s what the conservatives do when they disagree, they unleash the fringe with a wink and a nod 

I'm not sure were on the same page here, Cropduster.  My comment was basically about supporting women.  You're talking about political actions.  I was talking about supporting women.

I agree that Democrats are often to "polite", but what are you suggesting?  That we resort to violence to oppose the other side?

 

I know very what what happens at Planned Parenthood centers.  Years ago, a close family member of mine drove by a Planned Parenthood clinic in a rough neighbor on her work every day.  One day, the far right protestors started harassing patients who were trying to get in there.  She walked past the protestors and wrote a check for $100 to that clinic.  When she came back out to her car, she told the protestors what she had done and told them she would do the same thing every day until they left.  That ended up costing her several hundred dollars but eventually they did back off.  I was afraid for her every day.

I won't go into detail, but I've done things to resist the right that could have caused me a huge amount of grief and harm.  I'm guessing by the wording in your post, you've put yourself on the line as well.  If you haven't, you might want to back off on the bluster a bit.

I’m just referring to when you are talking about the need to “protest” and not just complain 

democrats and republicans protest very differently and republicans are far more tolerant of their fringe when things get out of control. 

Protesting as a democrat is kind of pointless as it’s not as effective.  Im not saying democrats should get out of control I’m saying they play by different rules. Far right protesters scare people and that’s by design. It’s not right, but it’s true and they get away with it.  And yes, in college a bunch of us escorted anyone in my sisters sorority house to planned parenthood any time they needed birth control.  That was our normal Saturday and it didn’t always go well.

I didn't say just protest. First of all, it sounded like you were lecturing and I'm not up for that.  Secondly, I didn't just say protest.  Thirdly, protesting has it usefulness.  It keeps a focus on a problem.  And of course protesting is not the sole solution. 

So instead of trying to pick apart what I said (not sure what that's about), maybe respond to what I actually said.  Or we can ignore each other, no problem.  I didn't come here to argue.  Others here are into that.  No thanks.

Cropduster-80 said:

brianlux said:

Cropduster-80 said:

brianlux said:

Cropduster-80 said:

brianlux said:

At some point (sooner than later), we need to do more than just complain (not that that isn't understandable and appropriate).  We need to protest, educate voters, promote birth control, support Planned Parenthood (re recently donated dollars yet again) and most urgently, we need to support women who live in red states who want an abortion by sheltering them (opening homes, hotel vouchers, etc) and providing transportation to places that still allow abortions.  Many women are going to need our support now, not just our gripes.

Democrats are too polite, generally. 

They bring a knife to a gun fight, are bound by traditional standards of what is acceptable, cling to the notion the moral high ground actually matters , etc 


The far right bomb abortion clinics and shoot doctors at church to protest Roe… what are democrats really going to do? Nothing. They can’t and won’t. It’s both admirable and a weakness as they will not do anything at any cost to get their way. These people were 40 feet away from murdering their own Vice President that would never happen in the opposite situation. I mean it actually happened in 2000.  Gore voters didn’t try to storm the capital and try to hang Al Gore for not declaring himself the winner 

The conservatives succeeded. Enabling the far right this whole time and maintaining plausible deniability in specifically what they were doing 

Ask any woman who’s used a planned parenthood in the last 30 years (for any reason) in a deep red state. Most (or at least a lot) of them will tell you they were physically afraid for their safety just getting through the front door.  That’s what the conservatives do when they disagree, they unleash the fringe with a wink and a nod 

I'm not sure were on the same page here, Cropduster.  My comment was basically about supporting women.  You're talking about political actions.  I was talking about supporting women.

I agree that Democrats are often to "polite", but what are you suggesting?  That we resort to violence to oppose the other side?

 

I know very what what happens at Planned Parenthood centers.  Years ago, a close family member of mine drove by a Planned Parenthood clinic in a rough neighbor on her work every day.  One day, the far right protestors started harassing patients who were trying to get in there.  She walked past the protestors and wrote a check for $100 to that clinic.  When she came back out to her car, she told the protestors what she had done and told them she would do the same thing every day until they left.  That ended up costing her several hundred dollars but eventually they did back off.  I was afraid for her every day.

I won't go into detail, but I've done things to resist the right that could have caused me a huge amount of grief and harm.  I'm guessing by the wording in your post, you've put yourself on the line as well.  If you haven't, you might want to back off on the bluster a bit.

I’m just referring to when you are talking about the need to “protest” and not just complain 

democrats and republicans protest very differently and republicans are far more tolerant of their fringe when things get out of control. 

Protesting as a democrat is kind of pointless as it’s not as effective.  Im not saying democrats should get out of control I’m saying they play by different rules. Far right protesters scare people and that’s by design. It’s not right, but it’s true and they get away with it.  And yes, in college a bunch of us escorted anyone in my sisters sorority house to planned parenthood any time they needed birth control.  That was our normal Saturday and it didn’t always go well.

I didn't say just protest. First of all, it sounded like you were lecturing and I'm not up for that.  Secondly, I didn't just say protest.  Thirdly, protesting has it usefulness.  It keeps a focus on a problem.  And of course protesting is not the sole solution. 

So instead of trying to pick apart what I said (not sure what that's about), maybe respond to what I actually said.  Or we can ignore each other, no problem.  I didn't come here to argue.  Others here are into that.  No thanks.

I was really just expanding on what you said, as an add on

i don’t usually disagree with you and I don’t think I’m in disagreement with you here either really as Im totally aligned with literally everything else you wrote.  I’m not quoting you to challenge you. I’m quoting you because what you said was good 

all I was saying is yes I agree… however protesting and supporting planned parenthood etc is hard as a democrat.  For many reasons, chief among them being most democrats aren’t doing completely crazy stuff to get their point across 

I figured the fact I agree with you was implied.  My apologies 

and yeah, it’s been a rough day for a lot of us, even though we knew it was coming. Doesn’t make it easier. I’m upset. Not at you at all 

gimmesometruth27 said:

meanwhile, house democrats are doing the musical version of "thoughts and prayers".

this is so embarrassing.

https://twitter.com/FarnoushAmiri/status/1540370901803433984?s=20&t=O2Hd4mOVDJeOMb13KA5mbg

Get_Right said:

I am embarrassed to be an American man and a lawyer. Again. WTF is wrong with this country?

HughFreakingDillon said:

brian's not "testy". he's passionate, and sometimes when he reads something wrong, he can get his claws out. I understand it. I think most of us do. no need for the unnecessary swipe.