Abortion-Keep Legal, Yes or No?

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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,141
    These people are crazy


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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,479
    These people are crazy


    Happens all the time. They just put it in the trash. Good thing we have patriots like Tim Pool asking the important relevant questions.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,808
    These people are crazy


    I actually looked this up and one of the replies was awesome.
    "don't they take the baby in, and they raise it in the ways of the clinic....and that's how abortion doctors are made?".

    lol
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,592
    These people are crazy


    I actually looked this up and one of the replies was awesome.
    "don't they take the baby in, and they raise it in the ways of the clinic....and that's how abortion doctors are made?".

    lol

    Unfuckingbelievable!  :lol:
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,129
    These people are crazy


    this is all kinds of incorrect. in most states abortions after the 2nd trimester were illegal. last i checked the 8th month was in the 3rd trimester. so if the baby falls out on the floor at the clinic, the mom can keep the baby or give it up for adoption. 
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,129
    a few days ago #adorpion was trending and i am still laughing about it.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,129
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,592
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,385
    These people are crazy


    this is all kinds of incorrect. in most states abortions after the 2nd trimester were illegal. last i checked the 8th month was in the 3rd trimester. so if the baby falls out on the floor at the clinic, the mom can keep the baby or give it up for adoption. 
    That's the great thing about bad faith arguments, whether or not they're rooted in fact or reality is completely irrelevant. 

  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,808
    Darwinspeed, all. 

    Cheers,

    HFD




  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,195
    Lol. So wrong, but hilarious nonetheless.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,592
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,473
    edited May 2022
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    PJPOWER said:
    brianlux said:
    PJPOWER said:
    brianlux said:
    Well OK, let's get creative!
    May be an image of text that says STOP ABORTION AT THE SOURCE VASECTOMIES ARE REVERSIBLE Make every young man have one When hes deemed financially  emotionally fit to be a father it will be reversed Whats that Did the idea regulating a man s body make you uncomfortable THEN MIND YOUR CKING BUSINESS stephenszczerba

    Actually doesn’t sound like a terrible idea, haha.  Wouldn’t it be more similar if men were told they couldn’t have vasectomies, though?  No woman is forced to have the medical procedure that I’m aware of.  Would all men having vasectomies not be just another way of men controlling pregnancy on their own terms? 

    Well, of course the meme isn't actually saying vasectomies should be mandated.  It's just implying that people who want to dictate what women should do with their own bodies should... well, the that line says it all!

    Another one I heard goes something like:  Have you noticed that go can't get a tax deduction for fetuses because the government doesn't consider a fetus a person? 

    Of course, then the right will want to make fetuses be persons.  Why not, right?  Corporations are persons.  In fact, I'm pretty sure my cat is a person.  I hope she lives to be voting age. 
    I get it, I was just being argumentative as usual :).  I hadn’t heard that one on the fetuses, but it does create a bit of a conundrum on the topic.

    Oh gosh, no problem.  I didn't see it as an argument.  :smile:                 
    True,the subject of  fetuses is tricky.  Biologically, in its earliest stages, a fetus is basically a fish.  It actually has gill slits like a fish (see here*).  So if anti-abortionists are going to insist that life starts at conception, and are against "killing" that life by way of abortion, they sure as hell better not be eating fish, or at least if they do, confess their sins as murderers!

    (* https://www.icr.org/article/does-human-embryo-go-through-animal-stages/  )                                                                                                            

    Insisting that it begins at conception, and extending personhood to that moment, would make morning after/Plan B and other contraceptives akin to abortion, and therefore murder under the personhood statute.  That is significantly sooner than the current medical standard of the fetus in the womb, if I'm not mistaken. 
    Plan B actually prevents fertilization by temporarily stopping ovulation, so no, that wouldn't and couldn't be considered. Conception occurs when the egg is fertilized by the sperm.

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  • cblock4lifecblock4life Posts: 1,390
    edited May 2022
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    PJPOWER said:
    brianlux said:
    PJPOWER said:
    brianlux said:
    Well OK, let's get creative!
    May be an image of text that says STOP ABORTION AT THE SOURCE VASECTOMIES ARE REVERSIBLE Make every young man have one When hes deemed financially  emotionally fit to be a father it will be reversed Whats that Did the idea regulating a man s body make you uncomfortable THEN MIND YOUR CKING BUSINESS stephenszczerba

    Actually doesn’t sound like a terrible idea, haha.  Wouldn’t it be more similar if men were told they couldn’t have vasectomies, though?  No woman is forced to have the medical procedure that I’m aware of.  Would all men having vasectomies not be just another way of men controlling pregnancy on their own terms? 

    Well, of course the meme isn't actually saying vasectomies should be mandated.  It's just implying that people who want to dictate what women should do with their own bodies should... well, the that line says it all!

    Another one I heard goes something like:  Have you noticed that go can't get a tax deduction for fetuses because the government doesn't consider a fetus a person? 

    Of course, then the right will want to make fetuses be persons.  Why not, right?  Corporations are persons.  In fact, I'm pretty sure my cat is a person.  I hope she lives to be voting age. 
    I get it, I was just being argumentative as usual :).  I hadn’t heard that one on the fetuses, but it does create a bit of a conundrum on the topic.

    Oh gosh, no problem.  I didn't see it as an argument.  :smile:                 
    True,the subject of  fetuses is tricky.  Biologically, in its earliest stages, a fetus is basically a fish.  It actually has gill slits like a fish (see here*).  So if anti-abortionists are going to insist that life starts at conception, and are against "killing" that life by way of abortion, they sure as hell better not be eating fish, or at least if they do, confess their sins as murderers!

    (* https://www.icr.org/article/does-human-embryo-go-through-animal-stages/  )                                                                                                            

    Insisting that it begins at conception, and extending personhood to that moment, would make morning after/Plan B and other contraceptives akin to abortion, and therefore murder under the personhood statute.  That is significantly sooner than the current medical standard of the fetus in the womb, if I'm not mistaken. 
    Plan B actually prevents fertilization by temporarily stopping ovulation, so no, that wouldn't and couldn't be considered. Conception occurs when the egg is fertilized by the sperm.

    And, if I’m not mistaken, sperm can live up to five days so pjsoul is absolutely correct since conception can occur long after Plan B is utilized. 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,410

    I wonder how this plays on Reservations.  Do these laws apply there as well since they are under Fed control with some autonomy....
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,524
    mickeyrat said:

    I wonder how this plays on Reservations.  Do these laws apply there as well since they are under Fed control with some autonomy....
    Nope
    They can do as they please 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,479
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,592

    And here all this time I thought they were used to make Soylent Green for kids.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,600
    mickeyrat said:

    I wonder how this plays on Reservations.  Do these laws apply there as well since they are under Fed control with some autonomy....
    Nope
    They can do as they please 
    That's true, so it would be interesting to see if Planned Parenthood would relocate to a reservation.  But at the same time, they would not receive any federal funds if they are in a territory I bet.  
  • mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,410
    gift article. opinion piece..


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    mickeyrat said:
    gift article. opinion piece..


    The most disgusting part of all this is it’s ok to stigmatize a child for the rest of their life by raping and sexually abusing them using religion to hide their pedophilia but an abortion…?  Much better to fuck a child up forever.  
    These fucking religions….


  • HobbesHobbes Pacific Northwest Posts: 6,377
    Oh, and fuck Oklahoma. Not OK.
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,195
    Long, but informative and interesting read about Collins' decision to support Kavanaugh's confirmation based on private meetings she had and supposed assurances he made that Roe v. Wade was precedent upon precedent. Also digs in to her history as a senator and her reputation for skirting the middle.

    Gift article:


    It's a hopeless situation...
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,479
    Yea but, but, but white people hear arguments, in general, and decide, so you have to go with it, yo.

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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 38,852
    So.  PJ is doing 4 dates in abortion banning Texas.  I wonder if they will stir up some shit there or they are part of festivals like ACL?
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