Abortion-Keep Legal, Yes or No?

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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,400
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    adorpian: (noun) adopting an aborted fetus
    Lol. So wrong, but hilarious nonetheless.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,660
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    adorpian: (noun) adopting an aborted fetus

    Haha!
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,660
    edited May 2022
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    PJPOWER said:
    brianlux said:
    PJPOWER said:
    brianlux said:
    Well OK, let's get creative!
    May be an image of text that says STOP ABORTION AT THE SOURCE VASECTOMIES ARE REVERSIBLE Make every young man have one When hes deemed financially emotionally fit to be a father it will be reversed Whats that Did the idea regulating a man s body make you uncomfortable THEN MIND YOUR CKING BUSINESS stephenszczerba

    Actually doesn’t sound like a terrible idea, haha.  Wouldn’t it be more similar if men were told they couldn’t have vasectomies, though?  No woman is forced to have the medical procedure that I’m aware of.  Would all men having vasectomies not be just another way of men controlling pregnancy on their own terms? 

    Well, of course the meme isn't actually saying vasectomies should be mandated.  It's just implying that people who want to dictate what women should do with their own bodies should... well, the that line says it all!

    Another one I heard goes something like:  Have you noticed that go can't get a tax deduction for fetuses because the government doesn't consider a fetus a person? 

    Of course, then the right will want to make fetuses be persons.  Why not, right?  Corporations are persons.  In fact, I'm pretty sure my cat is a person.  I hope she lives to be voting age. 
    I get it, I was just being argumentative as usual :).  I hadn’t heard that one on the fetuses, but it does create a bit of a conundrum on the topic.

    Oh gosh, no problem.  I didn't see it as an argument.  :smile:                 
    True,the subject of  fetuses is tricky.  Biologically, in its earliest stages, a fetus is basically a fish.  It actually has gill slits like a fish (see here*).  So if anti-abortionists are going to insist that life starts at conception, and are against "killing" that life by way of abortion, they sure as hell better not be eating fish, or at least if they do, confess their sins as murderers!

    (* https://www.icr.org/article/does-human-embryo-go-through-animal-stages/  )                                                                                                            

    Insisting that it begins at conception, and extending personhood to that moment, would make morning after/Plan B and other contraceptives akin to abortion, and therefore murder under the personhood statute.  That is significantly sooner than the current medical standard of the fetus in the womb, if I'm not mistaken. 
    Plan B actually prevents fertilization by temporarily stopping ovulation, so no, that wouldn't and couldn't be considered. Conception occurs when the egg is fertilized by the sperm.

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  • cblock4life
    cblock4life Posts: 1,855
    edited May 2022
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    PJPOWER said:
    brianlux said:
    PJPOWER said:
    brianlux said:
    Well OK, let's get creative!
    May be an image of text that says STOP ABORTION AT THE SOURCE VASECTOMIES ARE REVERSIBLE Make every young man have one When hes deemed financially emotionally fit to be a father it will be reversed Whats that Did the idea regulating a man s body make you uncomfortable THEN MIND YOUR CKING BUSINESS stephenszczerba

    Actually doesn’t sound like a terrible idea, haha.  Wouldn’t it be more similar if men were told they couldn’t have vasectomies, though?  No woman is forced to have the medical procedure that I’m aware of.  Would all men having vasectomies not be just another way of men controlling pregnancy on their own terms? 

    Well, of course the meme isn't actually saying vasectomies should be mandated.  It's just implying that people who want to dictate what women should do with their own bodies should... well, the that line says it all!

    Another one I heard goes something like:  Have you noticed that go can't get a tax deduction for fetuses because the government doesn't consider a fetus a person? 

    Of course, then the right will want to make fetuses be persons.  Why not, right?  Corporations are persons.  In fact, I'm pretty sure my cat is a person.  I hope she lives to be voting age. 
    I get it, I was just being argumentative as usual :).  I hadn’t heard that one on the fetuses, but it does create a bit of a conundrum on the topic.

    Oh gosh, no problem.  I didn't see it as an argument.  :smile:                 
    True,the subject of  fetuses is tricky.  Biologically, in its earliest stages, a fetus is basically a fish.  It actually has gill slits like a fish (see here*).  So if anti-abortionists are going to insist that life starts at conception, and are against "killing" that life by way of abortion, they sure as hell better not be eating fish, or at least if they do, confess their sins as murderers!

    (* https://www.icr.org/article/does-human-embryo-go-through-animal-stages/  )                                                                                                            

    Insisting that it begins at conception, and extending personhood to that moment, would make morning after/Plan B and other contraceptives akin to abortion, and therefore murder under the personhood statute.  That is significantly sooner than the current medical standard of the fetus in the womb, if I'm not mistaken. 
    Plan B actually prevents fertilization by temporarily stopping ovulation, so no, that wouldn't and couldn't be considered. Conception occurs when the egg is fertilized by the sperm.

    And, if I’m not mistaken, sperm can live up to five days so pjsoul is absolutely correct since conception can occur long after Plan B is utilized. 
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,450
    FUCK OKLAHOMA

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/19/politics/oklahoma-abortion-ban-hb-4327-passed/index.html
    Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall




  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,340
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    FUCK OKLAHOMA

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/19/politics/oklahoma-abortion-ban-hb-4327-passed/index.html

    I wonder how this plays on Reservations.  Do these laws apply there as well since they are under Fed control with some autonomy....
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,397
    Only the best people...


  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,397
    mickeyrat said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    FUCK OKLAHOMA

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/19/politics/oklahoma-abortion-ban-hb-4327-passed/index.html

    I wonder how this plays on Reservations.  Do these laws apply there as well since they are under Fed control with some autonomy....
    Nope
    They can do as they please 
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Bentleyspop said:
    Only the best people...


    Are all repubs like this?
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  • brianlux
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    Bentleyspop said:
    Only the best people...



    And here all this time I thought they were used to make Soylent Green for kids.
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  • mrussel1
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    Bentleyspop said:
    mickeyrat said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    FUCK OKLAHOMA

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/19/politics/oklahoma-abortion-ban-hb-4327-passed/index.html

    I wonder how this plays on Reservations.  Do these laws apply there as well since they are under Fed control with some autonomy....
    Nope
    They can do as they please 
    That's true, so it would be interesting to see if Planned Parenthood would relocate to a reservation.  But at the same time, they would not receive any federal funds if they are in a territory I bet.  
  • mickeyrat
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    gift article. opinion piece..


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  • cblock4life
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    mickeyrat said:
    gift article. opinion piece..


    The most disgusting part of all this is it’s ok to stigmatize a child for the rest of their life by raping and sexually abusing them using religion to hide their pedophilia but an abortion…?  Much better to fuck a child up forever.  
    These fucking religions….


  • Hobbes
    Hobbes Pacific Northwest Posts: 6,438
    Oh, and fuck Oklahoma. Not OK.
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,400
    Long, but informative and interesting read about Collins' decision to support Kavanaugh's confirmation based on private meetings she had and supposed assurances he made that Roe v. Wade was precedent upon precedent. Also digs in to her history as a senator and her reputation for skirting the middle.

    Gift article:


    It's a hopeless situation...
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,340
    gift article....


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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,397
    edited June 2022
    She gets it....


  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,035
    Bentleyspop said:
    She gets it....


    Yea but, but, but white people hear arguments, in general, and decide, so you have to go with it, yo.

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  • stuckinline
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    Judge Overturns Georgia's Ban on Abortion After 6 Weeks

    https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-11-15/judge-overturns-georgias-ban-on-abortion-after-6-weeks
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,345
    So.  PJ is doing 4 dates in abortion banning Texas.  I wonder if they will stir up some shit there or they are part of festivals like ACL?

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