Abortion-Keep Legal, Yes or No?

oceaninmyeyes

tempo_n_groove said:

So.  PJ is doing 4 dates in abortion banning Texas.  I wonder if they will stir up some shit there or they are part of festivals like ACL?

I'm hoping for some shit stirring.

Gotta say, I love ya, Pearl Jam, but I just can't bring myself to spend any time or $ in states that devalue women's health so much. I'm sure someone else will happily take my spot. But as a nurse who has worked in women's care and who has seen, first hand, the things that can go wrong, I have to stand up for women and put my money where my mouth is.

gotthebottle

oceaninmyeyes said:

tempo_n_groove said:

So.  PJ is doing 4 dates in abortion banning Texas.  I wonder if they will stir up some shit there or they are part of festivals like ACL?

I'm hoping for some shit stirring.

Gotta say, I love ya, Pearl Jam, but I just can't bring myself to spend any time or $ in states that devalue women's health so much. I'm sure someone else will happily take my spot. But as a nurse who has worked in women's care and who has seen, first hand, the things that can go wrong, I have to stand up for women and put my money where my mouth is.

Yes!!! And now Texas is forcing public schools to display 10 Commandments!

I too will speak out with my wallet.. I'll never set foot in Texas

mickeyrat

https://twitter.com/AngelSSMO/status/1649241750572072968?t=H8z1SahQksIf7hc3KeTbIw&s=19

mickeyrat

he needs to find a new wig maker.

https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1652128577121406976?t=zgqZx4lwmoHPqnhfRiZ_Sg&s=19

mickeyrat

https://apnews.com/article/abortion-nebraska-south-carolina-c78ec68b095180a9b53f6e136ba3e045

 

Abortion South Carolina Nebraska

Abortion bans fail in conservative South Carolina, Nebraska

By MARGERY A. BECK and JAMES POLLARD

Yesterday

LINCOLN, Neb. (AP) — Abortion bans in Nebraska and South Carolina fell short of advancing in close votes amid heated debates among Republicans, confounding conservatives who have dominated both legislatures and further exposing the chasm on the issue of abortion within the GOP.

In Nebraska, where abortion is banned after 20 weeks of pregnancy, an effort to ban abortion at about the sixth week of pregnancy fell one vote short of breaking a filibuster. Cheers erupted outside the legislative chamber as the last vote was cast, with opponents of the bill waving signs and chanting, “Whose house? Our house!”

In South Carolina, lawmakers voted 22-21 to shelve a near-total abortion ban for the rest of the year. Republican Sen. Sandy Senn criticized Majority Leader Shane Massey for repeatedly “taking us off a cliff on abortion.”

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“The only thing that we can do when you all, you men in the chamber, metaphorically keep slapping women by raising abortion again and again and again, is for us to slap you back with our words,” she said.

The Nebraska proposal, backed by Republican Gov. Jim Pillen, is unlikely to move forward this year. And in South Carolina, where abortion remains legal through 22 weeks of pregnancy, the vote marked the third time a near-total abortion ban has failed in the Republican-led Senate chamber since the U.S. Supreme Court reversed Roe v. Wade last summer.

Katie Glenn, the state policy director for Susan B. Anthony Pro-Life America, characterized the failure of both proposed abortion bans as disappointing.

“It’s a sign that legislating is hard, and there’s a lot of pieces and parts that all have to come together,” Glenn said.

The bans’ staunchest supporters have promised political retribution.

Since the fall of Roe, both states have become regional havens of sorts as they've watched neighboring states enact stricter abortion bans. Conservative lawmakers have bitterly made that observation in Nebraska, which has a long history as a leader in abortion restrictions. In 2010, it was the first state in the nation to ban abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy.

Most aggravating to some Republicans is that the pushback is coming from inside the house. The Nebraska bill on Thursday failed when Republican Sen. Merv Riepe, an 80-year-old former hospital administrator, refused to give it the crucial 33rd vote needed to advance. Riepe was an original co-signer of the bill but later expressed concern that a six-week ban might not give women enough time to know they were pregnant.

When his fellow Republicans rejected an amendment he offered to extend the proposed ban to 12 weeks and add an exception for fatal fetal anomalies, Riepe pointed to his own election last year against a Democrat who made abortion rights central to her campaign. His margin of victory dropped from 27 percentage points in the May primary election, which occurred before the fall of Roe, to under 5 percentage points in the general election.

“Had my opponent had more time, more money, and more name recognition, she could have won. This made the message clear to me how critical abortion will be in 2024," he said. “We must embrace the future of reproductive rights."

Riepe and some Republicans across the country have noted evidence pointing to abortion bans as unpopular with a majority of Americans. An AP VoteCast nationwide survey of the 2022 electorate showed only about 1 in 10 midterm voters — including Republicans — believe abortion should be “illegal in all cases." Overall, a majority of voters said abortion should be legal in all or most cases. That includes nearly 9 in 10 Democrats and about 4 in 10 Republicans.

An Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research poll in July showed Republicans are largely opposed to abortion “for any reason” and at 15 weeks into a pregnancy. But only 16% of Republicans say abortion generally should be “illegal in all cases.”

Even so, Republican politicians who buck party leadership on abortion can find themselves targets of political retaliation. The backlash against Riepe was swift, with public reprimands from the governor and fellow Republican lawmakers. Anti-abortion groups demanded his immediate resignation. And the Nebraska Republican Party issued a statement warning that Riepe would be censured.

“The entities and individuals who aided in the defeat of a Core Republican Value have been duly noted by the leadership of this party. ‘The Watchfulness in the Citizen’ applies now more than ever,” the statement reads.

Riepe did not return a message Friday seeking comment on the backlash.

Likewise, some of the South Carolina Republican holdouts shared last week that they received anatomical backbone figurines from an anti-abortion group urging them to “grow a spine” and pass a ban starting at conception.

The South Carolina vote came with days left in a session that began shortly after the state’s highest court struck down a 2021 law banning abortion when cardiac activity is detected, about six weeks into pregnancy. Since then, both chambers have advanced abortion bans at differing stages -- a disagreement that Massey, the Senate majority leader, hoped to resolve by considering the stricter House bill.

Frustrated after his last-ditch effort to break the impasse, Massey issued a warning for the ban’s fiercest Republican opponent.

“The response to Sen. Senn will be in 2024,” Massey told reporters after the vote, referring to elections next year.

Fourteen states have bans in place on abortion at all stages of pregnancy. Four other states have bans throughout pregnancy where enforcement is blocked by courts. The majority of those bans were adopted in anticipation of Roe being overturned, and most do not have exceptions for rape or incest.

Gov. Jay Inslee on Thursday enacted legal protections for people who travel to Washington state seeking reproductive and gender-affirming procedures and treatment. (April 27)

In Utah, a judge on Friday heard a request from Planned Parenthood to delay implementing a statewide ban on abortion clinics set to take effect next week. Planned Parenthood argues a state law passed this year will effectively end access to abortion throughout the state when clinics stop being able to apply for the licenses they’ve historically relied on to operate.

In North Dakota, Gov. Doug Burgum signed a ban Monday that has narrow exceptions: Abortion is legal in pregnancies caused by rape or incest, but only in the first six weeks of pregnancy. Abortion is allowed later in pregnancy only in specific medical emergencies. The North Dakota law is intended to replace a previous ban that is not being enforced while a state court weighs its constitutionality.

And on Friday, Tennessee Republican Gov. Bill Lee reversed course and signed off on softening the state’s strict abortion ban. That change came after several high-profile Republican lawmakers warned early in the session that doctors and patients were facing steep risks under Tennessee’s so-called trigger law, arguing that the statute did not include clear exemptions when a physician may provide abortion services.

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Pollard reported from Columbia, South Carolina. Associated Press writer Freida Frisaro contributed from Fort Lauderdale, Florida. James Pollard is a corps member for the Associated Press/Report for America Statehouse News Initiative. Report for America is a nonprofit national service program that places journalists in local newsrooms to report on undercovered issues.

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This story has been corrected to show that the votes in Nebraska and South Carolina blocked advancement, not passage, of abortion bills; and that 14 states, not 13, now have abortion bans.

Bentleyspop

https://twitter.com/daily_grunge/status/1660393730220736513?t=LrthlkWEOL7TyKxIdbl2sQ&s=19

Halifax2TheMax

Let this sink in but hey, you know, 10 year olds can be “responsible” with firearms so why not being a parent? And, the State will be right there with them every step of the way!

Doctor in 10-year-old rape victim’s abortion could lose license

Indiana’s medical licensing board will determine as soon as Thursday whether to take any disciplinary action against a doctor who made headlines last year for performing an abortion for a 10-year-old Ohio rape victim, after the state’s antiabortion attorney general alleged the doctor violated ethical standards and state reporting laws.

Indiana’s Republican Attorney General Todd Rokita for nearly a year has pursued punishment for Caitlin Bernard, an OB/GYN and an assistant professor at the Indiana University School of Medicine who performed the abortion in June 2022, less than a week after Roe v. Wade was struck down, enacting trigger laws.

The stakes of Thursday’s hearing are significant for Bernard, whose lawyers have refuted Rokita’s allegations as baseless and politically motivated. The seven-member board of governor appointees can, by a majority vote, either take no action against Bernard or impose a range of disciplinary measures up to and including the immediate termination of Bernard’s medical license.

Rokita alleges Bernard broke state child abuse reporting laws and federal patient privacy laws by telling an Indianapolis Star reporter about the patient’s care. Bernard’s lawyers argue she properly reported the incident to an IU Health social worker and did not run afoul of privacy laws when she discussed the patient’s case in a general and de-identified manner that is typical for doctors. Records obtained by The Washington Post last year show that Bernard reported the girl’s abortion to the relevant state agencies ahead of the legally mandated deadline.

Cory Voight, an attorney with Rokita’s office, framed Bernard’s actions as undermining trust in medical professionals and medical privacy and accused her of being “brazen in pursuit of her own agenda” in his opening statement Thursday.

“This is about privacy and trust. Privacy is the foundation, as you know, of health care. It’s something upon which patients rely,” Voight said.

But Alice Morical, one of the attorneys for Bernard, was unequivocal in her opening statement that Bernard followed policy and complied with Indiana law.

“Dr. Bernard could not have anticipated the atypical and intense scrutiny that this story received,” Morical said. “She did not expect that the politicians would say that she made the story up. She did not expect that people would say that the reporter didn’t have sufficient information. The politicalization of this [is] what caused this issue to continue to grow and be a focus.”

Outside the hearing Thursday, several doctors in white coats were seen entering the hearing room to sit in support of Bernard.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/05/25/caitlin-bernard-indiana-abortion-rape-victim/

mickeyrat

Obviously this dies in the Senate but still..

 

https://twitter.com/TristanSnell/status/1671708602363510785?t=3WM7epXH6n6AeTWNJNtpGQ&s=19

mickeyrat

https://twitter.com/brat2381/status/1676986194012540930?t=T7o25sMF9vAu70phsXe9xA&s=19

HughFreakingDillon

piece of shit republicans

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/07/health/kentucky-abortion-anencephaly/index.html

mickeyrat

https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/1679253822538145792?t=6PFFhQDDtq_Q_NAu4E8W6w&s=19

Bentleyspop

Texas is clearly a "pro-life' state...

Nearly two years after Texas’ six-week abortion ban, more infants are dying

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/20/health/texas-abortion-ban-infant-mortality-invs

Halifax2TheMax

Bentleyspop said:

Texas is clearly a "pro-life' state...

Nearly two years after Texas’ six-week abortion ban, more infants are dying

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/20/health/texas-abortion-ban-infant-mortality-invs

The “great” state of Tejas.

mickeyrat

this is why my states legislature is holding a special election on Aug 8 (counter to a new law they themselves pushed through barring special elections) to raise the threshold for citizen driven initiatives to change the state constitution..... decision on enough verified signatures is revealed tomorrow....

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/07/24/ohioans-back-abortion-rights-amendment-a-test-case-for-other-states/70413318007/

mickeyrat

mickeyrat said:

this is why my states legislature is holding a special election on Aug 8 (counter to a new law they themselves pushed through barring special elections) to raise the threshold for citizen driven initiatives to change the state constitution..... decision on enough verified signatures is revealed tomorrow....

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/07/24/ohioans-back-abortion-rights-amendment-a-test-case-for-other-states/70413318007/

early voted no on this amendment today to raise the bar on changes. Was encouraged that at 430 pm there was a line outside. steady replacements arriving for each person that left. poll worker said its been like that all day and since early voting started....

mickeyrat

https://apnews.com/article/abortion-rights-ohio-ballot-constitutional-amendment-e921f46d04a1f3367cf0e42917485335

  

Ohio voters will decide on abortion access in November ballot

By JULIE CARR SMYTH

31 mins ago

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — Ohio voters will have the opportunity this fall to decide whether to guarantee access to abortion in the state, setting up a volatile fight rife with emotional messaging and competing factual claims.

State officials said Tuesday that a ballot measure to change the state constitution had enough signatures. It would establish “a fundamental right to reproductive freedom” with “reasonable limits.” In language similar to a constitutional amendment that Michigan voters approved last November, it would require restrictions imposed past a fetus’ viability outside the womb, which is typically around the 24th week of pregnancy and was the standard under Roe v. Wade, to be based on evidence of patient health and safety benefits.

“Every person deserves respect, dignity, and the right to make reproductive health care decisions, including those related to their own pregnancy, miscarriage care, and abortion free from government interference,” Lauren Blauvelt and Dr. Lauren Beene, executive committee members for Ohioans United for Reproductive Rights, said in a statement.

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Republican Secretary of State Frank LaRose determined that Ohioans United for Reproductive Rights submitted nearly 496,000 valid signatures, more than the 413,446 needed to put the question before voters on Nov. 7. The coalition submitted more than 700,000 signatures in total.

It remains to be seen what percentage of the Ohio electorate needs to support the amendment for it to pass. That will depend on the outcome of an Aug. 8 special election called by Statehouse Republicans to determine whether to raise the threshold for passing future constitutional changes from a simple majority in place since 1912 to a 60% supermajority. AP VoteCast polling last year found 59% of Ohio voters say abortion should generally be legal.

The August ballot measure also would eliminate the 10-day curing period when citizen-led campaigns may submit additional signatures if they fall short the first time, and increase the number of counties where signatures must be collected from 44 to all 88. But those provisions would come too late to impact the abortion issue, which has already faced both legal and administrative hurdles to now be poised for a vote.

Abortion remains legal in the state up to 20 weeks’ gestation, under a judge’s order issued in a lawsuit challenging a ban once cardiac activity can be detected, or around six weeks into pregnancy, which is before many women even know they are pregnant. The Republican attorney general has asked the Ohio Supreme Court to overturn the stay.

Ohio’s anti-abortion network has signaled it is ready to fight the November proposal, vowing a vehement and well-funded opposition campaign.

Opponents of the measure have advanced an argument that, because the amendment protects “individuals,” it has the potential to trump Ohio's parental consent laws around abortion. The proposal's authors reject that legal theory. Opponents have also suggested in advertisements that the measure would open the door to gender transitioning surgeries for all ages, matching national political messaging that experts deem misleading.

Amy Natoce, press secretary for Protect Ohio Women, the official opposition campaign, said the group will “continue to shine a light on the ACLU’s disastrous agenda until it is defeated in November.” The American Civil Liberties Union of Ohio is on the November campaign's executive committee and serves as part of Ohioans United For Reproductive Rights' legal team.

“Ohioans are waking up to the dangers of the ACLU’s anti-parent amendment and they are terrified — and rightfully so,” she said in a statement.

The proposal joins others around the nation that have been motivated by last summer’s U.S. Supreme Court decision to overturn Roe v. Wade and the nationwide right to abortion it once protected, leaving abortion policy to individual states.

In the first statewide test following that decision, Kansas voters resoundingly protected abortion rights last August. In November, five other states — California, Kentucky, Michigan, Montana and Vermont — either enshrined abortion rights in their constitutions or rejected constitutional restrictions on the procedure.

mickeyrat

https://twitter.com/highbrow_nobrow/status/1685842726577639424?t=md-hvkoazIfFIT0lCAl7Ug&s=19

mickeyrat

https://twitter.com/TristanSnell/status/1687633182609334272?t=AI3J_dCtFBuv0KPIMqTFww&s=19

mace1229

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/brat2381/status/1676986194012540930?t=T7o25sMF9vAu70phsXe9xA&s=19

Am I missing something, or is this article just completely false and misleading?
First, the title is misleading because they aren’t just sharing data with “anti-abortion” states. It’s common to share that data to track all sorts of criminals, and not just tracking people who travel for an abortion.
The article then says this data can be used to track where out pf t owners go to seek medical care by tracking where their plate is seen, and predict who traveled to get an abortion. That seems extremely far fetched that they would use the resources to do that, and very difficult to know who went to clinics even if they did.
But what really go me was they claim it’s illegal to share data, but their source they use says it’s completely legal. They quote it as “The practice is in violation of a 2015 law that states “a (California law enforcement) agency shall not sell, share, or transfer ALPR information, except to another (California law enforcement) agency, and only as otherwise permitted by law.”
And yup, you guessed it, they added in all that California talk. The law just says “A public agency shall not sell, share, or transfer ALPR information, except to another public agency, and only as otherwise permitted by law.”
So they are completely allowed to share data with another agency according to their own source.
This article seems to be completely fabricated to make you think it’s illegal to cross state lines for an abortion and Sacramento is helping other states enforce it, when that’s not true at all.

mrussel1

mace1229 said:

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/brat2381/status/1676986194012540930?t=T7o25sMF9vAu70phsXe9xA&s=19

Am I missing something, or is this article just completely false and misleading?
First, the title is misleading because they aren’t just sharing data with “anti-abortion” states. It’s common to share that data to track all sorts of criminals, and not just tracking people who travel for an abortion.
The article then says this data can be used to track where out pf t owners go to seek medical care by tracking where their plate is seen, and predict who traveled to get an abortion. That seems extremely far fetched that they would use the resources to do that, and very difficult to know who went to clinics even if they did.
But what really go me was they claim it’s illegal to share data, but their source they use says it’s completely legal. They quote it as “The practice is in violation of a 2015 law that states “a (California law enforcement) agency shall not sell, share, or transfer ALPR information, except to another (California law enforcement) agency, and only as otherwise permitted by law.”
And yup, you guessed it, they added in all that California talk. The law just says “A public agency shall not sell, share, or transfer ALPR information, except to another public agency, and only as otherwise permitted by law.”
So they are completely allowed to share data with another agency according to their own source.
This article seems to be completely fabricated to make you think it’s illegal to cross state lines for an abortion and Sacramento is helping other states enforce it, when that’s not true at all.

Not quite.  When you read a law or statute (or a contract) you have to go to the definitions section to understand what the words mean.  So if you go back to the statutory definition for this particular code, it's below. Note: emphasis is mine. 

“Public agency” means the state, any city, county, or city and county, or any agency or political subdivision of the state or a city, county, or city and county, including, but not limited to, a law enforcement agency.

https://california.public.law/codes/ca_civ_code_section_1798.90.5

It is not saying "A" state, it's saying "THE" state.  Which is California.  Now I agree one could theoretically challenge the conclusion, but there is likely case law already addressing this or a corresponding statute.  In fact, you can delineate it from the predicate where it says "any city, county...", it does not say "any" state.  So don't jump too quickly to accusations.