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I get it, I was just being argumentative as usualbrianlux said:PJPOWER said:
Actually doesn’t sound like a terrible idea, haha. Wouldn’t it be more similar if men were told they couldn’t have vasectomies, though? No woman is forced to have the medical procedure that I’m aware of. Would all men having vasectomies not be just another way of men controlling pregnancy on their own terms?brianlux said:Well OK, let's get creative!
Well, of course the meme isn't actually saying vasectomies should be mandated. It's just implying that people who want to dictate what women should do with their own bodies should... well, the that line says it all!Another one I heard goes something like: Have you noticed that go can't get a tax deduction for fetuses because the government doesn't consider a fetus a person?Of course, then the right will want to make fetuses be persons. Why not, right? Corporations are persons. In fact, I'm pretty sure my cat is a person. I hope she lives to be voting age.
. I hadn’t heard that one on the fetuses, but it does create a bit of a conundrum on the topic. 0 -
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I get it, I was just being argumentative as usualbrianlux said:PJPOWER said:
Actually doesn’t sound like a terrible idea, haha. Wouldn’t it be more similar if men were told they couldn’t have vasectomies, though? No woman is forced to have the medical procedure that I’m aware of. Would all men having vasectomies not be just another way of men controlling pregnancy on their own terms?brianlux said:Well OK, let's get creative!Well, of course the meme isn't actually saying vasectomies should be mandated. It's just implying that people who want to dictate what women should do with their own bodies should... well, the that line says it all!Another one I heard goes something like: Have you noticed that go can't get a tax deduction for fetuses because the government doesn't consider a fetus a person?Of course, then the right will want to make fetuses be persons. Why not, right? Corporations are persons. In fact, I'm pretty sure my cat is a person. I hope she lives to be voting age.. I hadn’t heard that one on the fetuses, but it does create a bit of a conundrum on the topic.Oh gosh, no problem. I didn't see it as an argument. True,the subject of fetuses is tricky. Biologically, in its earliest stages, a fetus is basically a fish. It actually has gill slits like a fish (see here*). So if anti-abortionists are going to insist that life starts at conception, and are against "killing" that life by way of abortion, they sure as hell better not be eating fish, or at least if they do, confess their sins as murderers!
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Insisting that it begins at conception, and extending personhood to that moment, would make morning after/Plan B and other contraceptives akin to abortion, and therefore murder under the personhood statute. That is significantly sooner than the current medical standard of the fetus in the womb, if I'm not mistaken.brianlux said:PJPOWER said:
I get it, I was just being argumentative as usualbrianlux said:PJPOWER said:
Actually doesn’t sound like a terrible idea, haha. Wouldn’t it be more similar if men were told they couldn’t have vasectomies, though? No woman is forced to have the medical procedure that I’m aware of. Would all men having vasectomies not be just another way of men controlling pregnancy on their own terms?brianlux said:Well OK, let's get creative!Well, of course the meme isn't actually saying vasectomies should be mandated. It's just implying that people who want to dictate what women should do with their own bodies should... well, the that line says it all!Another one I heard goes something like: Have you noticed that go can't get a tax deduction for fetuses because the government doesn't consider a fetus a person?Of course, then the right will want to make fetuses be persons. Why not, right? Corporations are persons. In fact, I'm pretty sure my cat is a person. I hope she lives to be voting age.. I hadn’t heard that one on the fetuses, but it does create a bit of a conundrum on the topic.Oh gosh, no problem. I didn't see it as an argument. True,the subject of fetuses is tricky. Biologically, in its earliest stages, a fetus is basically a fish. It actually has gill slits like a fish (see here*). So if anti-abortionists are going to insist that life starts at conception, and are against "killing" that life by way of abortion, they sure as hell better not be eating fish, or at least if they do, confess their sins as murderers!0 -
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Insisting that it begins at conception, and extending personhood to that moment, would make morning after/Plan B and other contraceptives akin to abortion, and therefore murder under the personhood statute. That is significantly sooner than the current medical standard of the fetus in the womb, if I'm not mistaken.brianlux said:PJPOWER said:
I get it, I was just being argumentative as usualbrianlux said:PJPOWER said:
Actually doesn’t sound like a terrible idea, haha. Wouldn’t it be more similar if men were told they couldn’t have vasectomies, though? No woman is forced to have the medical procedure that I’m aware of. Would all men having vasectomies not be just another way of men controlling pregnancy on their own terms?brianlux said:Well OK, let's get creative!Well, of course the meme isn't actually saying vasectomies should be mandated. It's just implying that people who want to dictate what women should do with their own bodies should... well, the that line says it all!Another one I heard goes something like: Have you noticed that go can't get a tax deduction for fetuses because the government doesn't consider a fetus a person?Of course, then the right will want to make fetuses be persons. Why not, right? Corporations are persons. In fact, I'm pretty sure my cat is a person. I hope she lives to be voting age.. I hadn’t heard that one on the fetuses, but it does create a bit of a conundrum on the topic.Oh gosh, no problem. I didn't see it as an argument. True,the subject of fetuses is tricky. Biologically, in its earliest stages, a fetus is basically a fish. It actually has gill slits like a fish (see here*). So if anti-abortionists are going to insist that life starts at conception, and are against "killing" that life by way of abortion, they sure as hell better not be eating fish, or at least if they do, confess their sins as murderers!
That's sounds correct, M.
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what i want to know is how can fucking missouri enforce a law that prohibits women from mo from going to other states to have an abortion. are they really saying women cannot leave the state if that law passes? i travel to illinois every day for work. how can this law pass?
these republicans are absolutely insane."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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I think you answered your question! Yes, they a unhinged, wheels coming off, out to lunch, and bat-shit crazy!gimmesometruth27 said:what i want to know is how can fucking missouri enforce a law that prohibits women from mo from going to other states to have an abortion. are they really saying women cannot leave the state if that law passes? i travel to illinois every day for work. how can this law pass?
these republicans are absolutely insane.
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I hadn't heard about it until your post. that is literally insane.gimmesometruth27 said:what i want to know is how can fucking missouri enforce a law that prohibits women from mo from going to other states to have an abortion. are they really saying women cannot leave the state if that law passes? i travel to illinois every day for work. how can this law pass?
these republicans are absolutely insane.
like I've said....Margaret Atwood was on to something.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/19/travel-abortion-law-missouri-00018539
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I hadn't heard about it until your post. that is literally insane.gimmesometruth27 said:what i want to know is how can fucking missouri enforce a law that prohibits women from mo from going to other states to have an abortion. are they really saying women cannot leave the state if that law passes? i travel to illinois every day for work. how can this law pass?
these republicans are absolutely insane.
like I've said....Margaret Atwood was on to something.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/19/travel-abortion-law-missouri-00018539
I'm sure this will never happen, just like they won't go after same sex marriage... or inter racial marriage... or contraception.... or Roe v Wade
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Remember it's not just the politicians.brianlux said:
I think you answered your question! Yes, they a unhinged, wheels coming off, out to lunch, and bat-shit crazy!gimmesometruth27 said:what i want to know is how can fucking missouri enforce a law that prohibits women from mo from going to other states to have an abortion. are they really saying women cannot leave the state if that law passes? i travel to illinois every day for work. how can this law pass?
these republicans are absolutely insane.
It's also every single person who supports them in some way.
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Uh-oh. You know what they say about anyone who shows support for another person, right? Well, this obviously means Pelosi supports antiabortion views, and loves Texas. Gonna be a tough pill to swallow for those who subscribe to that way of thinking.nicknyr15 said:
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Guess we’ll never know how people feel about this.FiveBelow said:
Uh-oh. You know what they say about anyone who shows support for another person, right? Well, this obviously means Pelosi supports antiabortion views, and loves Texas. Gonna be a tough pill to swallow for those who subscribe to that way of thinking.nicknyr15 said:0 -
Yes, it should be legal.
The discussion we should be having is what are the restrictions? And before you jump down my throat - do people really believe there should be unfettered access to abortions in the 9th month? On the other side of the coin, obvious exceptions at all times is mother's life. What else and at what times?
We need to get the crazy and extreme out of both sides and start concentrating our national discussions in the middle where most of the country is.Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.0 -
A dead-end of when it should no longer be done needs to exist, even if it's kinda arbitrary (kinda like a drinking age). I know people that say "as long as it's not born" but most people would be more along the lines of "first two trimesters." I'm OK with that.EdsonNascimento said:Yes, it should be legal.
The discussion we should be having is what are the restrictions? And before you jump down my throat - do people really believe there should be unfettered access to abortions in the 9th month? On the other side of the coin, obvious exceptions at all times is mother's life. What else and at what times?
We need to get the crazy and extreme out of both sides and start concentrating our national discussions in the middle where most of the country is.
After that, most exceptions for "all times" hopefully are not needed. Rape/incest should be able to be taken care of in the first two trimesters.
That said, while you probably can find "crazy and extreme" on the pro-choice side, it's pretty small and toothless. Only the extreme anti-choice matters at this point.1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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9th month abortions don't happen unless the mother's life is in danger. nor do 8th month or 7th month.EdsonNascimento said:Yes, it should be legal.
The discussion we should be having is what are the restrictions? And before you jump down my throat - do people really believe there should be unfettered access to abortions in the 9th month? On the other side of the coin, obvious exceptions at all times is mother's life. What else and at what times?
We need to get the crazy and extreme out of both sides and start concentrating our national discussions in the middle where most of the country is.
In Manitoba, it's only allowed at a maximum of 19 weeks after your last menstrual cycle ends. that's 4.75 months. Ontario is 24 weeks. end of the second trimester is considered the norm at the extreme end.
only 1.3 percent of abortions in the states were performed during this time period. so guess how many were done after that?
91 percent performed before 13 weeks.Post edited by HughFreakingDillon onHugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
nicknyr15 said:
Guess we’ll never know how people feel about this.FiveBelow said:
Uh-oh. You know what they say about anyone who shows support for another person, right? Well, this obviously means Pelosi supports antiabortion views, and loves Texas. Gonna be a tough pill to swallow for those who subscribe to that way of thinking.nicknyr15 said:
To be honest, Nick, a little nonplussed, a lot unconcerned. Most people have already made up their minds about a woman's right to control their won body (I'm obviously in favor of that), and I can't see Pelosi's take on it changing enough minds to make a difference.
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The idea that women are getting abortions in the last few weeks of pregnancy for any reason other than fatal malformations or risk to the woman’s life is a bogeyman put forward by the anti-choice crowd.I am in favour of no legal restrictions on abortion. That’s what we’ve had in Canada for decades and surprise, there hasn’t been a problem with third trimester abortions.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0
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Not that it isn’t allowed, as there isn’t legislation preventing it; it just isn’t available.HughFreakingDillon said:
9th month abortions don't happen unless the mother's life is in danger. nor do 8th month or 7th month.EdsonNascimento said:Yes, it should be legal.
The discussion we should be having is what are the restrictions? And before you jump down my throat - do people really believe there should be unfettered access to abortions in the 9th month? On the other side of the coin, obvious exceptions at all times is mother's life. What else and at what times?
We need to get the crazy and extreme out of both sides and start concentrating our national discussions in the middle where most of the country is.
In Manitoba, it's only allowed at a maximum of 19 weeks after your last menstrual cycle ends. that's 4.75 months. Ontario is 24 weeks. end of the second trimester is considered the norm at the extreme end.
only 1.3 percent of abortions in the states were performed during this time period. so guess how many were done after that?
91 percent performed before 13 weeks.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
well, the issue is not just abortion. it is bodily autonomy. i believe a woman should have control over her body at all times, so it is their choice. men need to stay the fuck out of it. people can not like abortion all they want, but do not impose your views on women.EdsonNascimento said:Yes, it should be legal.
The discussion we should be having is what are the restrictions? And before you jump down my throat - do people really believe there should be unfettered access to abortions in the 9th month? On the other side of the coin, obvious exceptions at all times is mother's life. What else and at what times?
We need to get the crazy and extreme out of both sides and start concentrating our national discussions in the middle where most of the country is.
i do not like abortion, but i like the fact that women had the option to make the best decision for themselves."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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