The all-purpose heavy duty Climate Chaos thread (sprinkled with hope).

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  • Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    California has a bunch of land so places build out , not up.

    Yes true, but what we don't have is enough water.  Folsom recently added 30,000 new homes with another (I believe) 30,000 to some.  A few miles down the road from us in the Diamond Spring and town of El Dorado, 4 large condensed housing projects are being planned.  WE just don't have enough water to supply all of these new homes, especially considering how much food California produces.  Land is being converted to more roads, buildings, and houses, so more land and water is taken from agriculture- not to mention something most of us value- the beauty and importance of nature.  If we continue to convert more and more open space to suit or growth, we are hurting both nature and (of course) ourselves in the long run.  Cities like NY do it right, build up, not out.  California is blowing it.  This state is doomed.
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  • Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    we're about to get hit with the "worst blizzard in decades". 30-80 cm of snow. climate change? not sure. but I think this is the best thread for it. 
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  • Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    we're about to get hit with the "worst blizzard in decades". 30-80 cm of snow. climate change? not sure. but I think this is the best thread for it. 

    Even though (as we all know now) that local weather is not in itself a reflection of global climate, weather extremes- hot or cold, wet or dry- are very much indicators of global warming and climate change.

    Stay safe and warm and keep us posted!
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    It snowed here this morning.  Very rare for Vancouver Island. Haven't seen April snow in what feels like 25 years.

  • Posts: 7,873
    70 with strong sun here on long guy land. It’s been too long.
  • Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    long guy land? haha
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  • Posts: 7,873
    That’s how the locals say it
  • Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    That’s how the locals say it
    I remember seeing a tv show or movie where a local said it like that, accentuating GUY in longGUYland. I thought it was an over exaggeration of the local accent. 
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  • Posts: 42,193
    But let's cut funding to major research institutions and instead, forgo alternatives and just keep relying on carbon based fuel, particularly digging coal.

    I can't recall if POOTWH ever expressed an interest in or visited an institution of higher education? You know, to see what the future could look like?

    A new heat engine with no moving parts is as efficient as a steam turbine

    The design could someday enable a fully decarbonized power grid, researchers say.

    Engineers at MIT and the National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL) have designed a heat engine with no moving parts. Their new demonstrations show that it converts heat to electricity with over 40 percent efficiency — a performance better than that of traditional steam turbines.

    The heat engine is a thermophotovoltaic (TPV) cell, similar to a solar panel’s photovoltaic cells, that passively captures high-energy photons from a white-hot heat source and converts them into electricity. The team’s design can generate electricity from a heat source of between 1,900 to 2,400 degrees Celsius, or up to about 4,300 degrees Fahrenheit.

    The researchers plan to incorporate the TPV cell into a grid-scale thermal battery. The system would absorb excess energy from renewable sources such as the sun and store that energy in heavily insulated banks of hot graphite. When the energy is needed, such as on overcast days, TPV cells would convert the heat into electricity, and dispatch the energy to a power grid.

    The cell in the experiments is about a square centimeter. For a grid-scale thermal battery system, Henry envisions the TPV cells would have to scale up to about 10,000 square feet (about a quarter of a football field), and would operate in climate-controlled warehouses to draw power from huge banks of stored solar energy. He points out that an infrastructure exists for making large-scale photovoltaic cells, which could also be adapted to manufacture TPVs.

    “There’s definitely a huge net positive here in terms of sustainability,” Henry says. “The technology is safe, environmentally benign in its life cycle, and can have a tremendous impact on abating carbon dioxide emissions from electricity production.”

    This research was supported, in part, by the U.S. Department of Energy.

    https://news.mit.edu/2022/thermal-heat-engine-0413

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  • Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Please, killing yourself will not galvanize enough people to stop global warming.  Don't do this.  There has to be a better way.

    It was a stunning, grisly act. A man, a climate activist and Buddhist, had set himself on fire on the steps of the US supreme court. He sat upright and didn’t immediately scream despite the agony. Police officers desperately plunged nearby orange traffic cones into the court’s marbled fountain and hurled water at him. It wasn’t enough to save him.

    Four years ago nearly to the exact date, David Buckel, a civil rights lawyer, walked to New York City’s Prospect Park early one morning, doused himself with gasoline and set himself alight. Unlike Bruce, Buckel, who was 60, left a two-page note emailed to media outlets minutes before his death stating that “my early death by fossil fuel reflects what we are doing to ourselves.”

    “We have no leaders on this issue, none, no one,” Kaelber said. “So I get the despair people have but the answer isn’t to do what they did. They could’ve had more impact joining with people who are driving for change. Imagine if Wynn had chained himself and 100 Buddhists to the gates of the supreme court instead.

    “They think doing this will galvanize people, and maybe it will a few people, but my first thought with Wynn was that no one on the supreme court will care. It will just be this passing thing in the media. It’s tragic.”





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    -Roberto Benigni

  • Posts: 41,372
    brianlux said:
    Please, killing yourself will not galvanize enough people to stop global warming.  Don't do this.  There has to be a better way.

    It was a stunning, grisly act. A man, a climate activist and Buddhist, had set himself on fire on the steps of the US supreme court. He sat upright and didn’t immediately scream despite the agony. Police officers desperately plunged nearby orange traffic cones into the court’s marbled fountain and hurled water at him. It wasn’t enough to save him.

    Four years ago nearly to the exact date, David Buckel, a civil rights lawyer, walked to New York City’s Prospect Park early one morning, doused himself with gasoline and set himself alight. Unlike Bruce, Buckel, who was 60, left a two-page note emailed to media outlets minutes before his death stating that “my early death by fossil fuel reflects what we are doing to ourselves.”

    “We have no leaders on this issue, none, no one,” Kaelber said. “So I get the despair people have but the answer isn’t to do what they did. They could’ve had more impact joining with people who are driving for change. Imagine if Wynn had chained himself and 100 Buddhists to the gates of the supreme court instead.

    “They think doing this will galvanize people, and maybe it will a few people, but my first thought with Wynn was that no one on the supreme court will care. It will just be this passing thing in the media. It’s tragic.”





    It did have an effect on the Vietnam War but nowadays I agree w you.
  • Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    It did have an effect on the Vietnam War but nowadays I agree w you.

    I remember that well and it had huge effect and was widely heard and read about.  I'm not sure why these self immolation protests over global warming/ environment have not been as widely reported.  Protests in general have become such a regular thing that I'm not sure how much difference they make.  Maybe we just don't want badly enough to change.  Maybe we have just capitulated to our fate.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Posts: 41,372
    I saw an unruly sight this morning.  A pickup truck full of horsehoe crabs.  These have always meant to me as a warning sign.  If these are plentiful then the ocean is alright.  I had never seen this before.  The guy has a license to harvest them.

    Who knew.
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  • Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    mickeyrat said:

    I hope he's right.  Coal needs to go bye!
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  • Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    beautiful clean coal? why bri? /s
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  • Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    beautiful clean coal? why bri? /s

    Ahhh, beautiful clean coal.  Dontcha just wish you could eat it for breakfast!  Coal pancakes!  Coal waffles!  Coal eggs Benedict!
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    -Roberto Benigni

  • Posts: 41,372
    mickeyrat said:
    I hope the coal states have a contingency plan or there will be a whole lot of people unemployed.
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    I hope the coal states have a contingency plan or there will be a whole lot of people unemployed.
    they didnt for the losses stemming from mountain top removal processes that dodnt require the same number of miners


    2010 to 2020 mining jobs in the u.s.

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    mickeyrat said:
    they didnt for the losses stemming from mountain top removal processes that dodnt require the same number of miners


    2010 to 2020 mining jobs in the u.s.

    Mining coal from the topside or underground is still a job though and they have been in a sharp decline looking at those charts.

    If you go out to those mining areas there isn't a whole lot going on usually and the other areas that stopped mining are just dead towns with no life.

    Put up some wind turbines in those areas for a shot of life?

    I understand for the need to stop burning coal.  It's just the areas that they effect are bad off as it is.  I think of the old steel areas too.  Most of those towns never recovered.

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