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  • dankinddankind Posts: 20,840
    what is with this guy and his gigantic tables?

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,585
    Did POOTWH write this? Sounds like it in all its brilliant brilliance of brilliancy. Also sounds as if a certain poster who pops in about every six months or so would agree with the last paragraph. Sad.
    It's a translation issue.  I found it really interesting to see how he is viewing the world, when talking to the Russian people.  He's obviously trying to rally them to support the war, and unify the Soviets again.  Notice how he calls German unification stupid?  But again, he doesn't make any promises.  Is this a Russian cultural thing that you follow the order?  Remember that Russia has zero experience with democracy.  I mean I guess you have the Yeltsin years, but that was a disaster for them because it was right after the breaking of the USSR, as they tried to turn the economy capitalistic.
  • mrussel1 said:
    @Spiritual_Chaos Thanks for posting that.  It was a fascinating read.  It's a mix of Putin's thinking with propaganda, so it was interesting.  I can't say how a normal Russian will read that.  But it's interesting that Putin made no promises of economic prosperity from this clash with the Anglo Saxons and the West.  It was purely about reuniting empire.  

    One thing that I really took away early, was that he was focused on reuniting the ancient people of eastern Europe.  You could call them Rus or, go up one level and you have Lech, Rus and Czech, the supposed three brothers of legend that settled eastern Europe.  These are the Slavs.  So if Putin is bent on reuniting his people, where does it stop?  Poland, Czech, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia and even Serbia are rooted in these tribes.  Putin's ambition is limitless. 
    Its not limitless unless putin on the ritz gets greedy after reconstituting the old Soviet Union. Would that include what was once East Germany? Probably not as Germany is a NATO ally. Poland? Czech? Or any current NATO countries. I doubt it but putin on the ritz isn't very stable these days.
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    I mean... he/Russia has swung back and forth more than Trump over figuring out a defense. The Defense has been marely freeing two isolated areas. Then freeing the whole of Ukraine from nenoazis. From drugusers. From Ukraine wanting to commit genocide. To now in the UN saying Ukraine was on the way to develop nukes. If I understood the russian delegate correctly. 

    The truth is - Putin is 70 year old and want's his legacy to be that he was the one who restored the Russian empire by taking back, at least, Ukraine. 
    Is there any chance his inner circle will take him out?  
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  • brianlux said:
    I really don't know.  I suppose if those regions really do want to be part of Russia it would be hard to argue with that.  But how strongly do they want to separate?  I honestly don't know.
    Ukraine is a democracy. By that, shouldn't that separation be a democratic process? Do you think China should come in and save California from being a part of the US, with their being a movement in California to be freed from the shackles of the US?

    Also, people in those areas were kidnapped and forced to fight against other Ukrainian citizens. I doubt that would be needed if them leaving Ukraine was so natural and overwhelming and obvious.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,576
    dankind said:

    Hahaha....first thing I thought of too. 

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  • dankind said:

    Haha. I posted a picture from that scene in a group chat with some friends today. On the same subject.

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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,159
    Ukraine is a democracy. By that, shouldn't that separation be a democratic process? Do you think China should come in and save California from being a part of the US, with their being a movement in California to be freed from the shackles of the US?

    Also, people in those areas were kidnapped and forced to fight against other Ukrainian citizens. I doubt that would be needed if them leaving Ukraine was so natural and overwhelming and obvious.
    My response would be obviously not. 

    (But you must be thinking about Texas, not California, right?)

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  • Is there any chance his inner circle will take him out?  
    Maybe Trump will. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Maybe Trump will. 
    Lmfao.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,365
    brianlux said:

    I've heard others suggest the same thing, that the West needs to give Putin a way to save face.  I understand that argument and, considering his power and instability of mind, it's probably for the best.  But a better solution might be for him to be deposed or eliminated in some way by his own people.  He has brought total shame to his people and country.  Much of the world is united against him.  But of course, because of that, the question becomes, how desperate and unstable has he become.

    As a side note, I'm a little surprised how relative little traction this event has been gained here on AMT.  The war in Ukraine is the biggest current event to happen in the world in many years and yet only a handful of people post here while other, less pressing issues seem to get equal or greater attention.  Strange and baffling!

    how little traction? wtf are you talking about.? created on Jan 25. now on 40 pages with some 1200 plus comments.

    seems inordinate amount of traction.

    and the world did not stop turning.

    NK fired off another hey remember I'm a madman missle , other fucked up important shit is still going on.

    why havent we addressed Myanmar? or the other atrocities going on in the world.

    in 6 hours last week I woke up to 438 comments here. in SIX HOURS  too little traction.....
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,585
    Is there any chance his inner circle will take him out?  
    I think it's tough for the reasons I mentioned above.  His inner circle are as corrupt as he is.  If he is taken out, then he will have to be replaced by another corrupt depot.  Otherwise the oligarchs will be in jail or against a wall pretty quickly as well.  

    I hope I'm wrong. 
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,257
    edited February 2022

    Following the initial decisions adopted by the FIFA Council and the UEFA Executive Committee, which envisaged the adoption of additional measures, FIFA and UEFA have today decided together that all Russian teams, whether national representative teams or club teams, shall be suspended from participation in both FIFA and UEFA competitions until further notice.

    These decisions were adopted today by the Bureau of the FIFA Council and the Executive Committee of UEFA, respectively the highest decision-making bodies of both institutions on such urgent matters.

    Football is fully united here and in full solidarity with all the people affected in Ukraine. Both Presidents hope that the situation in Ukraine will improve significantly and rapidly so that football can again be a vector for unity and peace amongst people.

    For you americans, Football = soccer


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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    mrussel1 said:
    I think it's tough for the reasons I mentioned above.  His inner circle are as corrupt as he is.  If he is taken out, then he will have to be replaced by another corrupt depot.  Otherwise the oligarchs will be in jail or against a wall pretty quickly as well.  

    I hope I'm wrong. 
    Ok.  I did not know if these sanctions might be making people close to him nervous.  However, I’m sure Vlad and his inner circle have billions that can’t be touched by sanctions…when this is over or maybe before it’s over, Ukraine should be given NATO membership…I’m not sure if they were offered NATO membership before Russia invaded if that would have stopped the invasion?  And now that NATO countries are supplying weaponry, NATO countries are involved far more than I anticipated…
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739

    I hope the west will leave Vlad an exit strategy if things do go real bad…we don’t need Vlad feeling so desperate that he does something even dumber…
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,159
    mickeyrat said:

    how little traction? wtf are you talking about.? created on Jan 25. now on 40 pages with some 1200 plus comments.

    seems inordinate amount of traction.

    and the world did not stop turning.

    NK fired off another hey remember I'm a madman missle , other fucked up important shit is still going on.

    why havent we addressed Myanmar? or the other atrocities going on in the world.

    in 6 hours last week I woke up to 438 comments here. in SIX HOURS  too little traction.....

    I feel like I'm getting my ass chewed. 

    What, maybe 10 people posting here and most of the post from about half of those.

    Sometime I just feel like fuck this place.  Angry nasty posts and stupid memes.  Fuck it.

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  • bbiggsbbiggs Posts: 6,963

    I hope the west will leave Vlad an exit strategy if things do go real bad…we don’t need Vlad feeling so desperate that he does something even dumber…
    It is too bad the exit strategy can't be taking him out.  The "rules of war" won't be too meaningful if nukes start flying in multiple directions. 

  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,585
    edited February 2022
    Ok.  I did not know if these sanctions might be making people close to him nervous.  However, I’m sure Vlad and his inner circle have billions that can’t be touched by sanctions…when this is over or maybe before it’s over, Ukraine should be given NATO membership…I’m not sure if they were offered NATO membership before Russia invaded if that would have stopped the invasion?  And now that NATO countries are supplying weaponry, NATO countries are involved far more than I anticipated…
    They are being personally sanctioned, so money they have in the West is getting frozen.  Additionally, they can't travel to the West as their passports are invalid.  Known family members and children will also be prohibited from attending western schools (which is important to them).  I'm not sure if family will be restricted from travel.  But these oligarchs are being hit.  But if they think they will be at risk in Russia if Putin is deposed, then it's not happening.  If they can protect their assets, remove Putin and get the support of the military, then it could happen.  
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,073
    brianlux said:

    I feel like I'm getting my ass chewed. 

    What, maybe 10 people posting here and most of the post from about half of those.

    Sometime I just feel like fuck this place.  Angry nasty posts and stupid memes.  Fuck it.

    mickey loves to chew a good ass. don't take it personally brian. 
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  • Norway breaks with tradition - they will also send lethal aid to Ukraine
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,365
    mrussel1 said:
    They are being personally sanctioned, so money they have in the West is getting frozen.  Additionally, they can't travel to the West as their passports are invalid.  Known family members and children will also be prohibited from attending western schools (which is important to them).  I'm not sure if family will be restricted from travel.  But these oligarchs are being hit.  But if they think they will be at risk in Russia if Putin is deposed, then it's not happening.  If they can protect their assets, remove Putin and get the support of the military, then it could happen.  

    it comes down to, if they become deposed from positions freely given then exploited under putin, they still have that cash(even though frozen at present) as its not been seized,  so how much is enough?
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  • mickey loves to chew a good ass. 


    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,365
    last night. couldnt readily isolate just the opening so ignore after. John shows some great video clips, in particukar of a Ukrainian woman confront a russian soldier...


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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,585
    Norway breaks with tradition - they will also send lethal aid to Ukraine
    Switzerland joins sanctions..

    When you've lost the Swiss...
  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 17,631
    Maybe Trump will. 
    Trump will gladly take Putin out.... to dinner.
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  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 17,631
    mickey loves to chew a good ass. don't take it personally brian. 
    Which make Minnie quite happy.
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