DarthMaeglin said:

Parksy said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Here’s a bold prediction for the weekend. Despite the fear narrative being pushed, protests will be peaceful (outside of possibly isolated incidents). As long as the counter-protesters are smart and stay away (I see a higher likelihood of them showing up here in Toronto).

And of course we all know that any counter-protesters are on the side of the angels and are therefore utterly innocent of any provocation and any conflicts are completely the fault of these dirty, nasty truckers. (Disengage sarcasm, lol.)

I'm not with you on the fear narrative being pushed.  I think that every person needs to understand where their news is coming from and decide on their own what's biased, what's fake, and what's real. 

I think that when you add up 'isolated incidents' ... and what point does it go from peaceful to a nuisance? Maybe I'm just reading what you're saying a different way but to me it's like you have this prediction that "OH, this is going to be fine, with the exception of some isolated incidents." Well, that's convenient. lol   That's like me saying "Had an amazing date the other night... crapped my pants at dinner, but other than that... amazing." 

We're beyond truckers at this point.  I don't agree with the PM using this term, but I will.. this is a fringe minority.  This is the Canadian version of the types of people who show up at Trump rallies in the states. The agendas may be different, but the types of people are very  much in line.  I base this on me witnessing protesters in Vaughn, witnessing protesters on the 401, social media posts, live broadcast news, and main stream media news. Reports of harassment on the streets of Ottawa.  Me actually witnessing harassment. My friend who lives in downtown Ottawa and is right livid with what's going on. Like I get what a lot of these folks are protesting for, but it's just way too convenient to ignore and not pay attention to the shit it's bringing. 

Trudeau and the Liberals are handling this incorrectly. If anyone, THEY are the ones trying to focus on these 'isolated incidents' you speak of.  And while I don't agree with what they're doing as a political party, you can't possibly blame the media.  Are they supposed to ignore the incidents this protest has caused? Are they supposed to ignore confederate flags? Trump flags? Expressions of racism?  Defacing Terry Fox? Parking on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier?  Like I'm with you... I don't think anyone should take a couple incidents and paint the group with the same brush... but at the same time, are they honestly supposed to just ignore this stuff? If a citizen watches or reads a news report about Trump and Confederate flags at this protest, it's up to that person to be able to understand that its not everyone but at the same time...  and I gotta be honest here... I personally want to know that because that personally pisses me off to no end. As much as people hate on the media, I'm glad they do what they do. Because I'm not there to see what's going on, I'm relying on them. 

And while you may point to the media and blame them for exaggerating facts and focusing only on the negative aspects of the protest. Look at the other fellow on this thread doing the same thing. Focusing on all the 'good' these protesters are doing. A whole bunch of people just like him as well as small media groups as well.  So it's VERY much a two way street if you ask me.  People talking about how huge this protest is and how it represents Canada as a country. And how these protesters represent the moral fabric of Canada. Really? If you want to blame media for pushing false narratives...  you can't deny that there is a lot of that going on by both sides of this mess. 

 

I like that you stress media literacy/awareness. As I’ve said before, I don’t begrudge private media companies their bias. However, if they want to avoid critiques of “fake news” then it would be good for them to strive for accuracy. But we do have a responsibility to consider what we’re digesting. The only outlet I expect non-biased coverage from is the one that we all pay for.

As far as the “isolated incidents” I was only trying to acknowledge the possibility of individuals acting out who are not representative of the entire group. That doesn’t excuse such things or mean they shouldn’t be covered, only that they need to be kept in perspective.

You say you want to know Trump and Confederate flags are being waved. Fair enough, but I’ve only been able to find 2 confederate flags and one nazi. Should that be representative of the tens of thousands of other people that were there? Because many people are portraying these as having been common sights.

Do I like that I find myself quasi-defending people I wouldn’t personally associate with? Fuck no, but it’s like cops who have a duty to investigate gangland killings, they don’t get to choose the victims.

1ThoughtKnown said:

dignin said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Parksy said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Here’s a bold prediction for the weekend. Despite the fear narrative being pushed, protests will be peaceful (outside of possibly isolated incidents). As long as the counter-protesters are smart and stay away (I see a higher likelihood of them showing up here in Toronto).

And of course we all know that any counter-protesters are on the side of the angels and are therefore utterly innocent of any provocation and any conflicts are completely the fault of these dirty, nasty truckers. (Disengage sarcasm, lol.)

I'm not with you on the fear narrative being pushed.  I think that every person needs to understand where their news is coming from and decide on their own what's biased, what's fake, and what's real. 

I think that when you add up 'isolated incidents' ... and what point does it go from peaceful to a nuisance? Maybe I'm just reading what you're saying a different way but to me it's like you have this prediction that "OH, this is going to be fine, with the exception of some isolated incidents." Well, that's convenient. lol   That's like me saying "Had an amazing date the other night... crapped my pants at dinner, but other than that... amazing." 

We're beyond truckers at this point.  I don't agree with the PM using this term, but I will.. this is a fringe minority.  This is the Canadian version of the types of people who show up at Trump rallies in the states. The agendas may be different, but the types of people are very  much in line.  I base this on me witnessing protesters in Vaughn, witnessing protesters on the 401, social media posts, live broadcast news, and main stream media news. Reports of harassment on the streets of Ottawa.  Me actually witnessing harassment. My friend who lives in downtown Ottawa and is right livid with what's going on. Like I get what a lot of these folks are protesting for, but it's just way too convenient to ignore and not pay attention to the shit it's bringing. 

Trudeau and the Liberals are handling this incorrectly. If anyone, THEY are the ones trying to focus on these 'isolated incidents' you speak of.  And while I don't agree with what they're doing as a political party, you can't possibly blame the media.  Are they supposed to ignore the incidents this protest has caused? Are they supposed to ignore confederate flags? Trump flags? Expressions of racism?  Defacing Terry Fox? Parking on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier?  Like I'm with you... I don't think anyone should take a couple incidents and paint the group with the same brush... but at the same time, are they honestly supposed to just ignore this stuff? If a citizen watches or reads a news report about Trump and Confederate flags at this protest, it's up to that person to be able to understand that its not everyone but at the same time...  and I gotta be honest here... I personally want to know that because that personally pisses me off to no end. As much as people hate on the media, I'm glad they do what they do. Because I'm not there to see what's going on, I'm relying on them. 

And while you may point to the media and blame them for exaggerating facts and focusing only on the negative aspects of the protest. Look at the other fellow on this thread doing the same thing. Focusing on all the 'good' these protesters are doing. A whole bunch of people just like him as well as small media groups as well.  So it's VERY much a two way street if you ask me.  People talking about how huge this protest is and how it represents Canada as a country. And how these protesters represent the moral fabric of Canada. Really? If you want to blame media for pushing false narratives...  you can't deny that there is a lot of that going on by both sides of this mess. 

 

I like that you stress media literacy/awareness. As I’ve said before, I don’t begrudge private media companies their bias. However, if they want to avoid critiques of “fake news” then it would be good for them to strive for accuracy. But we do have a responsibility to consider what we’re digesting. The only outlet I expect non-biased coverage from is the one that we all pay for.

As far as the “isolated incidents” I was only trying to acknowledge the possibility of individuals acting out who are not representative of the entire group. That doesn’t excuse such things or mean they shouldn’t be covered, only that they need to be kept in perspective.

You say you want to know Trump and Confederate flags are being waved. Fair enough, but I’ve only been able to find 2 confederate flags and one nazi. Should that be representative of the tens of thousands of other people that were there? Because many people are portraying these as having been common sights.

Do I like that I find myself quasi-defending people I wouldn’t personally associate with? Fuck no, but it’s like cops who have a duty to investigate gangland killings, they don’t get to choose the victims.

When it comes to the offensive flags, they are not isolated. Throughout the pandemic at all the anti vaccine and anti restriction protests these flags have flown. In all parts of the country. It's part of the roots of the movement.

I’ve seen them in Calgary with my own eyes.  Pro-Trump flags and banners as well. Dudes sporting Proud Boys jackets 

dignin said:

GoFundMe ends payments to convoy protest, citing reports of violence and harassment

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/gofundme-stops-payments-1.6340526

Nami said:

dignin said:

GoFundMe ends payments to convoy protest, citing reports of violence and harassment

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/gofundme-stops-payments-1.6340526

That ain't going to end well.  Just recently saw the press conference the truckers and their lawyer (s) had last week. All info presented to GFM.

Guess that's one way to stop the convoy.  Wonder who's behind that?

1ThoughtKnown said:

I will always support the right to protest, but without being disruptive.  Particularly in Alberta, where laws are in place (passed into law in 2020) to prevent highways, railways, borders, etc. from being blocked or otherwise impeded as a result of indigenous protests in the province.  This law was passed by the conservatives to ensure commerce would not be affected by protests and universally applauded by the same folks who are now involved in similar actions of civil unrest.  The protests by the BLM movement were also uniformly criticized by the regressive right for not being “law abiding” and causing civil unrest. 

The same folks and their (quite puzzling) demi-gods (Trump, Tucker Carlson, etc) are now in full support of these illegal protests.  My heart bleeds for the poor downtrodden and unfairly treated white people involved who have had such a hard life since confederation 155 years ago. 

The hypocrisy is astounding.