This thread must stay alive. Forever.

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

bootlegger10 said:

Haha, I read this thread when it only had the first post.  I thought to myself ‘this will go poorly’.

Liberals will try to defend stupid comments by liberals, and conservatives will try to defend stupid comments by conservatives.  A nice experiment in human nature here.

Well of course anyone would think it will go poorly.  I made the damn thing and figured it would go poorly..  It's AMT, lol.

Regarding your second statement, that seems normal to me.  I mean really, how many Trump fans are going so say something good about a statement made by Biden or visa versa?  How many McConnell fans (is there such a thing?) are going to say something good about a Pelosi statement?  Totally natural in this polarized nation.  And as long a Republicans continue to side with Trump, I think it has to stay polarized.  How could it not?

that's the problem. they should. they used to. people are just no longer willing to the let the "other side" score a point. or their side concede a point. it's ridiculous. there are people here who call me a trudeau fan boy/cultist, which is utterly preposterous. I'll be the first to admit he's had several gaffes and has lied (or has been incompetent/ignorant-not sure which is worse at that level). I voted for him, yet I'll own that shit. It's weird how people think they are losing something by admitting "their guy" fucked up. Justin has fucked up a LOT. 

sometimes I even agree with Theo Fleury (who is nuts-no fault of his own) that trudeau just wasn't ready for the job. 

I've given trump credit for good things he's done (I honestly can't recall what it was, but there was SOMETHING LOL). and biden deserves criticism. 

I guess that's why so many people in the middle like me get so disengaged from politics. it's too exhausting listening to the people who treat politicians as gods/devils on either side. 

In theory, I totally agree.  Looking back over the last several decades, both sides of the isle used to work together on issues.  I posted a graphic here a year or two ago (unfortunately can't find it now) that illustrates this.  That was a good thing.

But the problem is, how do you reach across the isle to Trump supporters?  I honestly don't know. 

I'm certainly not opposed to criticizing Biden.  In general, I think he's doing an OK job under the circumstances (but he's being thwarted at every turn).  I'm not 100% pro Dem or 100% anti Republican (I like some of the things the Lincoln Project stand for).  I'm not 100% Liberal or 100% anti-Conservative. 

But coming together with Trump people is just not something I know how to do. 

As for your last statement, I get it!  I think a lot of us are fed up with the whole mess.  It has to change or were screwed.  ALL of us!

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

Bentleyspop said:

"For you to come on my property and accuse me of something that absolutely has nothing to do with that Confederate flag except for my daughter’s heritage and my heritage is absolutely wrong.”

https://twitter.com/WatchDogBrunhil/status/1484897894482452485?t=54-hN-kz8UQ8EGeoAPizFA&s=19

love to ask,  ok then what does that mean to you, southern heritage.

AND that flag is specific to the army of virginia, adopted at the start of the civil war. where the attempted succesion states clearly state in their letters of succession AND the csa constitution it was about slavery.

AND missouri was admitted as the last slave state. THAT is your heritage.

There are so many people that view that flag as just "southern".  They don't look at it as racist because that isn't what it means to them.

Are they wrong?  I think so.  If you could turn it into something positive though why not do that?

DewieCox said:

Willful ignorance isn’t an excuse.

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

DewieCox said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

Bentleyspop said:

"For you to come on my property and accuse me of something that absolutely has nothing to do with that Confederate flag except for my daughter’s heritage and my heritage is absolutely wrong.”

https://twitter.com/WatchDogBrunhil/status/1484897894482452485?t=54-hN-kz8UQ8EGeoAPizFA&s=19

love to ask,  ok then what does that mean to you, southern heritage.

AND that flag is specific to the army of virginia, adopted at the start of the civil war. where the attempted succesion states clearly state in their letters of succession AND the csa constitution it was about slavery.

AND missouri was admitted as the last slave state. THAT is your heritage.

There are so many people that view that flag as just "southern".  They don't look at it as racist because that isn't what it means to them.

Are they wrong?  I think so.  If you could turn it into something positive though why not do that?

Of course they’re wrong. They’ve had 150+ years to change what it stands for and they’ve doubled and tripled down on it through the decades. Ship has sailed.

Again, they don't view it as a race thing, some do but a bunch do not.

Remember when it was on the General Lee?  It was just a flag on a car.  It had zero to do w race.

I'm just trying to get across that there are a bunch of people that see it as a southern thing and can care less about it's role as being racist.

I touched on that earlier. And I agree it’s not always about race for some people. But To do that in the 80s is one thing.  To do it today and not know it’s offensive would just be dumb.

tempo_n_groove said:

DewieCox said:

Willful ignorance isn’t an excuse.

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

DewieCox said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

Bentleyspop said:

"For you to come on my property and accuse me of something that absolutely has nothing to do with that Confederate flag except for my daughter’s heritage and my heritage is absolutely wrong.”

https://twitter.com/WatchDogBrunhil/status/1484897894482452485?t=54-hN-kz8UQ8EGeoAPizFA&s=19

love to ask,  ok then what does that mean to you, southern heritage.

AND that flag is specific to the army of virginia, adopted at the start of the civil war. where the attempted succesion states clearly state in their letters of succession AND the csa constitution it was about slavery.

AND missouri was admitted as the last slave state. THAT is your heritage.

There are so many people that view that flag as just "southern".  They don't look at it as racist because that isn't what it means to them.

Are they wrong?  I think so.  If you could turn it into something positive though why not do that?

Of course they’re wrong. They’ve had 150+ years to change what it stands for and they’ve doubled and tripled down on it through the decades. Ship has sailed.

Again, they don't view it as a race thing, some do but a bunch do not.

Remember when it was on the General Lee?  It was just a flag on a car.  It had zero to do w race.

I'm just trying to get across that there are a bunch of people that see it as a southern thing and can care less about it's role as being racist.

I touched on that earlier. And I agree it’s not always about race for some people. But To do that in the 80s is one thing.  To do it today and not know it’s offensive would just be dumb.

I too never saw it as a hate symbol until the past few years when it got more news about it.

eddiec said:

tempo_n_groove said:

DewieCox said:

Willful ignorance isn’t an excuse.

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

DewieCox said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

Bentleyspop said:

"For you to come on my property and accuse me of something that absolutely has nothing to do with that Confederate flag except for my daughter’s heritage and my heritage is absolutely wrong.”

https://twitter.com/WatchDogBrunhil/status/1484897894482452485?t=54-hN-kz8UQ8EGeoAPizFA&s=19

love to ask,  ok then what does that mean to you, southern heritage.

AND that flag is specific to the army of virginia, adopted at the start of the civil war. where the attempted succesion states clearly state in their letters of succession AND the csa constitution it was about slavery.

AND missouri was admitted as the last slave state. THAT is your heritage.

There are so many people that view that flag as just "southern".  They don't look at it as racist because that isn't what it means to them.

Are they wrong?  I think so.  If you could turn it into something positive though why not do that?

Of course they’re wrong. They’ve had 150+ years to change what it stands for and they’ve doubled and tripled down on it through the decades. Ship has sailed.

Again, they don't view it as a race thing, some do but a bunch do not.

Remember when it was on the General Lee?  It was just a flag on a car.  It had zero to do w race.

I'm just trying to get across that there are a bunch of people that see it as a southern thing and can care less about it's role as being racist.

I touched on that earlier. And I agree it’s not always about race for some people. But To do that in the 80s is one thing.  To do it today and not know it’s offensive would just be dumb.

I too never saw it as a hate symbol until the past few years when it got more news about it.

Probably in the same way we laughed off racist comments by grandparents and such. 
I never saw it as racist when I watched the Dukes of Hazzard as a kid. That's just how ingrained racism has always been in our society. 

Edit: Maybe saying 'laughed off' is the wrong choice of words.