This thread must stay alive. Forever.

tempo_n_groove

Gern Blansten said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

brianlux said:

bootlegger10 said:

Haha, I read this thread when it only had the first post.  I thought to myself ‘this will go poorly’.

Liberals will try to defend stupid comments by liberals, and conservatives will try to defend stupid comments by conservatives.  A nice experiment in human nature here.

Well of course anyone would think it will go poorly.  I made the damn thing and figured it would go poorly..  It's AMT, lol.

Regarding your second statement, that seems normal to me.  I mean really, how many Trump fans are going so say something good about a statement made by Biden or visa versa?  How many McConnell fans (is there such a thing?) are going to say something good about a Pelosi statement?  Totally natural in this polarized nation.  And as long a Republicans continue to side with Trump, I think it has to stay polarized.  How could it not?

I could never imagine being a “fan” of a politician.  It’s a strange world to me. 

It's so fucking weird. Bumper stickers and yard signs (close to an election) seem fairly normal but flags? Hats and shirts?

I passed merch tents for tRump near my neighborhood selling all kinds of bizarre tRump stuff.  Really fucking weird

There is a guy in his corolla that sells Trump flags and F Biden flags.

The F Biden stuff to me is classless.  To openly display the F word in public?  stupes...

Gern Blansten

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

bootlegger10 said:

Haha, I read this thread when it only had the first post.  I thought to myself ‘this will go poorly’.

Liberals will try to defend stupid comments by liberals, and conservatives will try to defend stupid comments by conservatives.  A nice experiment in human nature here.

Well of course anyone would think it will go poorly.  I made the damn thing and figured it would go poorly..  It's AMT, lol.

Regarding your second statement, that seems normal to me.  I mean really, how many Trump fans are going so say something good about a statement made by Biden or visa versa?  How many McConnell fans (is there such a thing?) are going to say something good about a Pelosi statement?  Totally natural in this polarized nation.  And as long a Republicans continue to side with Trump, I think it has to stay polarized.  How could it not?

that's the problem. they should. they used to. people are just no longer willing to the let the "other side" score a point. or their side concede a point. it's ridiculous. there are people here who call me a trudeau fan boy/cultist, which is utterly preposterous. I'll be the first to admit he's had several gaffes and has lied (or has been incompetent/ignorant-not sure which is worse at that level). I voted for him, yet I'll own that shit. It's weird how people think they are losing something by admitting "their guy" fucked up. Justin has fucked up a LOT. 

sometimes I even agree with Theo Fleury (who is nuts-no fault of his own) that trudeau just wasn't ready for the job. 

I've given trump credit for good things he's done (I honestly can't recall what it was, but there was SOMETHING LOL). and biden deserves criticism. 

I guess that's why so many people in the middle like me get so disengaged from politics. it's too exhausting listening to the people who treat politicians as gods/devils on either side. 

In theory, I totally agree.  Looking back over the last several decades, both sides of the isle used to work together on issues.  I posted a graphic here a year or two ago (unfortunately can't find it now) that illustrates this.  That was a good thing.

But the problem is, how do you reach across the isle to Trump supporters?  I honestly don't know. 

I'm certainly not opposed to criticizing Biden.  In general, I think he's doing an OK job under the circumstances (but he's being thwarted at every turn).  I'm not 100% pro Dem or 100% anti Republican (I like some of the things the Lincoln Project stand for).  I'm not 100% Liberal or 100% anti-Conservative. 

But coming together with Trump people is just not something I know how to do. 

As for your last statement, I get it!  I think a lot of us are fed up with the whole mess.  It has to change or were screwed.  ALL of us!

exactly....it's impossible. They attack the media even though a lot of the organizations they attack are reputable news sources. They refuse to acknowledge tRump's abuse of power and the emoluments clause. They refuse to acknowledge the hypocrisy of criticizing politicians for behavior that tRump himself carried out.

Gern Blansten

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

brianlux said:

bootlegger10 said:

Haha, I read this thread when it only had the first post.  I thought to myself ‘this will go poorly’.

Liberals will try to defend stupid comments by liberals, and conservatives will try to defend stupid comments by conservatives.  A nice experiment in human nature here.

Well of course anyone would think it will go poorly.  I made the damn thing and figured it would go poorly..  It's AMT, lol.

Regarding your second statement, that seems normal to me.  I mean really, how many Trump fans are going so say something good about a statement made by Biden or visa versa?  How many McConnell fans (is there such a thing?) are going to say something good about a Pelosi statement?  Totally natural in this polarized nation.  And as long a Republicans continue to side with Trump, I think it has to stay polarized.  How could it not?

I could never imagine being a “fan” of a politician.  It’s a strange world to me. 

It's so fucking weird. Bumper stickers and yard signs (close to an election) seem fairly normal but flags? Hats and shirts?

I passed merch tents for tRump near my neighborhood selling all kinds of bizarre tRump stuff.  Really fucking weird

There is a guy in his corolla that sells Trump flags and F Biden flags.

The F Biden stuff to me is classless.  To openly display the F word in public?  stupes...

There is a guy in my neighborhood that has a "F**K Biden" flag. I guess he thinks the asterisks are acceptable. 

Really classless

DewieCox

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

Bentleyspop said:

"For you to come on my property and accuse me of something that absolutely has nothing to do with that Confederate flag except for my daughter’s heritage and my heritage is absolutely wrong.”

https://twitter.com/WatchDogBrunhil/status/1484897894482452485?t=54-hN-kz8UQ8EGeoAPizFA&s=19

love to ask,  ok then what does that mean to you, southern heritage.

AND that flag is specific to the army of virginia, adopted at the start of the civil war. where the attempted succesion states clearly state in their letters of succession AND the csa constitution it was about slavery.

AND missouri was admitted as the last slave state. THAT is your heritage.

There are so many people that view that flag as just "southern".  They don't look at it as racist because that isn't what it means to them.

Are they wrong?  I think so.  If you could turn it into something positive though why not do that?

Of course they’re wrong. They’ve had 150+ years to change what it stands for and they’ve doubled and tripled down on it through the decades. Ship has sailed.

tempo_n_groove

DewieCox said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

Bentleyspop said:

"For you to come on my property and accuse me of something that absolutely has nothing to do with that Confederate flag except for my daughter’s heritage and my heritage is absolutely wrong.”

https://twitter.com/WatchDogBrunhil/status/1484897894482452485?t=54-hN-kz8UQ8EGeoAPizFA&s=19

love to ask,  ok then what does that mean to you, southern heritage.

AND that flag is specific to the army of virginia, adopted at the start of the civil war. where the attempted succesion states clearly state in their letters of succession AND the csa constitution it was about slavery.

AND missouri was admitted as the last slave state. THAT is your heritage.

There are so many people that view that flag as just "southern".  They don't look at it as racist because that isn't what it means to them.

Are they wrong?  I think so.  If you could turn it into something positive though why not do that?

Of course they’re wrong. They’ve had 150+ years to change what it stands for and they’ve doubled and tripled down on it through the decades. Ship has sailed.

Again, they don't view it as a race thing, some do but a bunch do not.

Remember when it was on the General Lee?  It was just a flag on a car.  It had zero to do w race.

I'm just trying to get across that there are a bunch of people that see it as a southern thing and can care less about it's role as being racist.

DewieCox

Willful ignorance isn’t an excuse.

mace1229

tempo_n_groove said:

DewieCox said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

Bentleyspop said:

"For you to come on my property and accuse me of something that absolutely has nothing to do with that Confederate flag except for my daughter’s heritage and my heritage is absolutely wrong.”

https://twitter.com/WatchDogBrunhil/status/1484897894482452485?t=54-hN-kz8UQ8EGeoAPizFA&s=19

love to ask,  ok then what does that mean to you, southern heritage.

AND that flag is specific to the army of virginia, adopted at the start of the civil war. where the attempted succesion states clearly state in their letters of succession AND the csa constitution it was about slavery.

AND missouri was admitted as the last slave state. THAT is your heritage.

There are so many people that view that flag as just "southern".  They don't look at it as racist because that isn't what it means to them.

Are they wrong?  I think so.  If you could turn it into something positive though why not do that?

Of course they’re wrong. They’ve had 150+ years to change what it stands for and they’ve doubled and tripled down on it through the decades. Ship has sailed.

Again, they don't view it as a race thing, some do but a bunch do not.

Remember when it was on the General Lee?  It was just a flag on a car.  It had zero to do w race.

I'm just trying to get across that there are a bunch of people that see it as a southern thing and can care less about it's role as being racist.

I touched on that earlier. And I agree it’s not always about race for some people. But To do that in the 80s is one thing.  To do it today and not know it’s offensive would just be dumb.

tempo_n_groove

DewieCox said:

Willful ignorance isn’t an excuse.

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

DewieCox said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

Bentleyspop said:

"For you to come on my property and accuse me of something that absolutely has nothing to do with that Confederate flag except for my daughter’s heritage and my heritage is absolutely wrong.”

https://twitter.com/WatchDogBrunhil/status/1484897894482452485?t=54-hN-kz8UQ8EGeoAPizFA&s=19

love to ask,  ok then what does that mean to you, southern heritage.

AND that flag is specific to the army of virginia, adopted at the start of the civil war. where the attempted succesion states clearly state in their letters of succession AND the csa constitution it was about slavery.

AND missouri was admitted as the last slave state. THAT is your heritage.

There are so many people that view that flag as just "southern".  They don't look at it as racist because that isn't what it means to them.

Are they wrong?  I think so.  If you could turn it into something positive though why not do that?

Of course they’re wrong. They’ve had 150+ years to change what it stands for and they’ve doubled and tripled down on it through the decades. Ship has sailed.

Again, they don't view it as a race thing, some do but a bunch do not.

Remember when it was on the General Lee?  It was just a flag on a car.  It had zero to do w race.

I'm just trying to get across that there are a bunch of people that see it as a southern thing and can care less about it's role as being racist.

I touched on that earlier. And I agree it’s not always about race for some people. But To do that in the 80s is one thing.  To do it today and not know it’s offensive would just be dumb.

I too never saw it as a hate symbol until the past few years when it got more news about it.

DewieCox

It was probably the least hateful when it was originally flown and the fact that it was used by southern chase sympathizers has been buried and dug up multiple times. At this point, if you’re waving it or complaining about its removal it’s because you’re a bigot. 

cincybearcat

Found the perfect quote for this thread...

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Gern Blansten

cincybearcat said:

Found the perfect quote for this thread...

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looks familiar....

brianlux

cincybearcat said:

Found the perfect quote for this thread...

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I can believe a Mod said it.  What I can't believe is how often it is ignored!

Poncier

Gern Blansten said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

brianlux said:

bootlegger10 said:

Haha, I read this thread when it only had the first post.  I thought to myself ‘this will go poorly’.

Liberals will try to defend stupid comments by liberals, and conservatives will try to defend stupid comments by conservatives.  A nice experiment in human nature here.

Well of course anyone would think it will go poorly.  I made the damn thing and figured it would go poorly..  It's AMT, lol.

Regarding your second statement, that seems normal to me.  I mean really, how many Trump fans are going so say something good about a statement made by Biden or visa versa?  How many McConnell fans (is there such a thing?) are going to say something good about a Pelosi statement?  Totally natural in this polarized nation.  And as long a Republicans continue to side with Trump, I think it has to stay polarized.  How could it not?

I could never imagine being a “fan” of a politician.  It’s a strange world to me. 

It's so fucking weird. Bumper stickers and yard signs (close to an election) seem fairly normal but flags? Hats and shirts?

I passed merch tents for tRump near my neighborhood selling all kinds of bizarre tRump stuff.  Really fucking weird

There is a guy in his corolla that sells Trump flags and F Biden flags.

The F Biden stuff to me is classless.  To openly display the F word in public?  stupes...

There is a guy in my neighborhood that has a "F**K Biden" flag. I guess he thinks the asterisks are acceptable. 

Really classless

I was in traffic last week behind a pickup with a "Fuck Biden" bumper sticker. No asterisks, just put the word right out there for all to see.
So, if people have kids in their cars the kids get exposed to this. Classless is an understatement.

brianlux

Poncier said:

Gern Blansten said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

brianlux said:

bootlegger10 said:

Haha, I read this thread when it only had the first post.  I thought to myself ‘this will go poorly’.

Liberals will try to defend stupid comments by liberals, and conservatives will try to defend stupid comments by conservatives.  A nice experiment in human nature here.

Well of course anyone would think it will go poorly.  I made the damn thing and figured it would go poorly..  It's AMT, lol.

Regarding your second statement, that seems normal to me.  I mean really, how many Trump fans are going so say something good about a statement made by Biden or visa versa?  How many McConnell fans (is there such a thing?) are going to say something good about a Pelosi statement?  Totally natural in this polarized nation.  And as long a Republicans continue to side with Trump, I think it has to stay polarized.  How could it not?

I could never imagine being a “fan” of a politician.  It’s a strange world to me. 

It's so fucking weird. Bumper stickers and yard signs (close to an election) seem fairly normal but flags? Hats and shirts?

I passed merch tents for tRump near my neighborhood selling all kinds of bizarre tRump stuff.  Really fucking weird

There is a guy in his corolla that sells Trump flags and F Biden flags.

The F Biden stuff to me is classless.  To openly display the F word in public?  stupes...

There is a guy in my neighborhood that has a "F**K Biden" flag. I guess he thinks the asterisks are acceptable. 

Really classless

I was in traffic last week behind a pickup with a "Fuck Biden" bumper sticker. No asterisks, just put the word right out there for all to see.
So, if people have kids in their cars the kids get exposed to this. Classless is an understatement.

These people with their "Fuck Biden" sign and flags are the epitome of cretins (and I don't mean in the good way like the Ramones' song).  They glorify being on the lowest rung, having the least amount of class, reveling in stupidity.  Welcome to the new America. They are a disease that is spreading.  I would put them on a par with COVID.  Maybe worse. 

cincybearcat

Oh man, I was really just having some fun as I figured that several of us had seen that quote before...seems like I messed up.  Sorry, didn't realize I couldn't post it.

Kat

Thank you. Not upset...let's keep PMs private for everyone. Stay safe. 

mace1229

Poncier said:

Gern Blansten said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

brianlux said:

bootlegger10 said:

Haha, I read this thread when it only had the first post.  I thought to myself ‘this will go poorly’.

Liberals will try to defend stupid comments by liberals, and conservatives will try to defend stupid comments by conservatives.  A nice experiment in human nature here.

Well of course anyone would think it will go poorly.  I made the damn thing and figured it would go poorly..  It's AMT, lol.

Regarding your second statement, that seems normal to me.  I mean really, how many Trump fans are going so say something good about a statement made by Biden or visa versa?  How many McConnell fans (is there such a thing?) are going to say something good about a Pelosi statement?  Totally natural in this polarized nation.  And as long a Republicans continue to side with Trump, I think it has to stay polarized.  How could it not?

I could never imagine being a “fan” of a politician.  It’s a strange world to me. 

It's so fucking weird. Bumper stickers and yard signs (close to an election) seem fairly normal but flags? Hats and shirts?

I passed merch tents for tRump near my neighborhood selling all kinds of bizarre tRump stuff.  Really fucking weird

There is a guy in his corolla that sells Trump flags and F Biden flags.

The F Biden stuff to me is classless.  To openly display the F word in public?  stupes...

There is a guy in my neighborhood that has a "F**K Biden" flag. I guess he thinks the asterisks are acceptable. 

Really classless

I was in traffic last week behind a pickup with a "Fuck Biden" bumper sticker. No asterisks, just put the word right out there for all to see.
So, if people have kids in their cars the kids get exposed to this. Classless is an understatement.

I agree is classless. But I’m pretty sure I remember seeing those for every president in the last 20 years. It’s not new.

eddiec

tempo_n_groove said:

DewieCox said:

Willful ignorance isn’t an excuse.

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

DewieCox said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

Bentleyspop said:

"For you to come on my property and accuse me of something that absolutely has nothing to do with that Confederate flag except for my daughter’s heritage and my heritage is absolutely wrong.”

https://twitter.com/WatchDogBrunhil/status/1484897894482452485?t=54-hN-kz8UQ8EGeoAPizFA&s=19

love to ask,  ok then what does that mean to you, southern heritage.

AND that flag is specific to the army of virginia, adopted at the start of the civil war. where the attempted succesion states clearly state in their letters of succession AND the csa constitution it was about slavery.

AND missouri was admitted as the last slave state. THAT is your heritage.

There are so many people that view that flag as just "southern".  They don't look at it as racist because that isn't what it means to them.

Are they wrong?  I think so.  If you could turn it into something positive though why not do that?

Of course they’re wrong. They’ve had 150+ years to change what it stands for and they’ve doubled and tripled down on it through the decades. Ship has sailed.

Again, they don't view it as a race thing, some do but a bunch do not.

Remember when it was on the General Lee?  It was just a flag on a car.  It had zero to do w race.

I'm just trying to get across that there are a bunch of people that see it as a southern thing and can care less about it's role as being racist.

I touched on that earlier. And I agree it’s not always about race for some people. But To do that in the 80s is one thing.  To do it today and not know it’s offensive would just be dumb.

I too never saw it as a hate symbol until the past few years when it got more news about it.

Probably in the same way we laughed off racist comments by grandparents and such. 
I never saw it as racist when I watched the Dukes of Hazzard as a kid. That's just how ingrained racism has always been in our society. 

Edit: Maybe saying 'laughed off' is the wrong choice of words. 

gimmesometruth27

when i was in dc a few months ago i saw someone driving with a bumper sticker that was a portrait of ben franklin and he was quoted as saying "Tax this dick". I thought it was pretty classless, but still kinda funny. reminded me to the tea party. i was like "i wonder if he really said that??"

Gern Blansten

eddiec said:

tempo_n_groove said:

DewieCox said:

Willful ignorance isn’t an excuse.

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

DewieCox said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

Bentleyspop said:

"For you to come on my property and accuse me of something that absolutely has nothing to do with that Confederate flag except for my daughter’s heritage and my heritage is absolutely wrong.”

https://twitter.com/WatchDogBrunhil/status/1484897894482452485?t=54-hN-kz8UQ8EGeoAPizFA&s=19

love to ask,  ok then what does that mean to you, southern heritage.

AND that flag is specific to the army of virginia, adopted at the start of the civil war. where the attempted succesion states clearly state in their letters of succession AND the csa constitution it was about slavery.

AND missouri was admitted as the last slave state. THAT is your heritage.

There are so many people that view that flag as just "southern".  They don't look at it as racist because that isn't what it means to them.

Are they wrong?  I think so.  If you could turn it into something positive though why not do that?

Of course they’re wrong. They’ve had 150+ years to change what it stands for and they’ve doubled and tripled down on it through the decades. Ship has sailed.

Again, they don't view it as a race thing, some do but a bunch do not.

Remember when it was on the General Lee?  It was just a flag on a car.  It had zero to do w race.

I'm just trying to get across that there are a bunch of people that see it as a southern thing and can care less about it's role as being racist.

I touched on that earlier. And I agree it’s not always about race for some people. But To do that in the 80s is one thing.  To do it today and not know it’s offensive would just be dumb.

I too never saw it as a hate symbol until the past few years when it got more news about it.

Probably in the same way we laughed off racist comments by grandparents and such. 
I never saw it as racist when I watched the Dukes of Hazzard as a kid. That's just how ingrained racism has always been in our society. 

Edit: Maybe saying 'laughed off' is the wrong choice of words. 

Yeah I never made the connection with the Dukes of Hazzard. I was too interested in Daisy's jugs to think about that flag.

I would think that those offended by the confederate flag were probably not too vocal about it back then. That was 45 years or so ago...still pretty close to the civil rights movement.