Viruses / Vaccines

bootlegger10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

bootlegger10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

bootlegger10 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Per above. The democratic governor is requesting a proper count of hospitalizations for Covid versus people who just happen to be Covid positive but hospitalized for different reasons.  You would think that is a silly question, but sadly it isn’t and we are not being provided with the correct numbers.  I am sure they are still high, but the governor said in the article that AS MUCH as 50% of patients may have been hospitalized for non Covid reasons.  

I can’t remember which thread but Fauci said something similar about children being hospitalized. 

Crap like this is why people don’t trust the government and the media.  This crap supports the far right argument that the government is playing up the virus and trying to control behavior…yada yada yada.  We shouldn’t be having these issues about hospitalization numbers this far into the pandemic.  It screams of an agenda to purposefully overstate the numbers.

Bump so this doesn’t get lost in all of the health care cost debate.  I remember any time someone came on here and said that hospitals were coding deaths or patients as Covid when Covid wasn’t the issue that they were some far right conspiracy theorist.  Here we are though two years into the pandemic and the Democrat governor is asking about the % of those hospitalized with Covid but not because of Covid and that the number may be as much as 50%.

50% of hospital use for covid is bad....

That wasn’t the question she was asking.   What she was asking about is if 100 patients are hospitalized for Covid, how many of those are actually hospitalized because of Covid or because they happen to have Covid but are being treated for something completely different.  The dem governor has heard it may be as much of 50% of the 100 that may be in the hospital but are not there because of Covid.  That is an important number to know.  50% may still be high but when you give false or misleading info to the public then you deserve to be questioned on it.  It is hard to debate conspiracy theorists when they point to stories like this one.  

Yes saying that 100% of hospital occupants are there because of covid would likely be incorrect....but if 50% are there because of covid that is really bad. 30% is bad....even 25% would be alarming

It is an important number because we should be working with accurate information.  50%=bad

It begs the follow-up question... how many of the 800k people that have died from COVID actually died from COVID or from some other non-COVID issue?   Is it 750k?  Is it 600k?  It is still a lot whatever it is but we should be acting on accurate information.  Hospitalizations are basically the main driver of whether we shut our economy down or not.  That is a big deal.  

How is the governor of New York to decide vaccination requirements, event attendance limits, etc... when hospitalizations may be overstated by 50%?   There is a push to trust everything from the government on this and I'm glad that a Democrat isn't blindly following the narrative.  If those actually hospitalized due to COVID are closer to what we typically see with a bad flu season, then perhaps we don't take as extreme measures because we never did before.  Regardless of the decisions, the public should be informed of the right data to judge the decisions made by the government.

gimmesometruth27 said:

nicknyr15 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

st louis now has the highest number of new cases and highest number of hospitalizations since the pandemic began. the girl i am dating tested positive this morning. thankfully she is vaxxed, as am i. i have no symptoms, and cannot find a fucking test anywhere.

our governor and ag believe the pandemic is over though and is fighting our county executive and local government officials that are wanting to implement temporary restrictions again. these are small government republicans that are interfering with local municipalities, mind you.

What kind of restrictions are you looking for? I’m not familiar with your area so I’m just curious. Here in NYC we’ve been breaking records daily but are standing firm on no more lockdown restrictions and keeping schools open. There are mask mandates and very aggressive vaccine mandates though. 

personally i want mask mandates and vaccination proof in indoor settings like restaurants and bars. also a temporary return to social distancing in those settings. it was helpful in the beginning and is the only way people can enjoy the things they want to do in a safe manner.

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

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mrussel1 said:

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mace1229 said:

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Meltdown99 said:

static111 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Socialized medicine in Canada is really great until a crisis hits then it easily collapses…

just kidding it has never been great…

Well here in the US we have private for profit medicine, and it still sucks and gets overwhelmed, but we do pay an arm and a leg and keep those insurance company profits high!

Oh please.  Cry me a river.  We pay a shit ton of tax for a system that bogs down at the 1st sign of a crisis.  And if you don’t think people in our socialized medicine don’t make big bucks…think again.  The CEO of my local hospital makes 500 grand a year…pretty generous for a so called not for profit system. 

I get the feeling you have a limited understanding of not for profit.

our tax systems, also, compare pretty closely, except for one main area: our tax rate stays lower to a higher income bracket in the middle class income area, so the lower-to-middle class are often better off in canada. but it's marginal. 

until you have to pay for healthcare. imagine having our same taxes and on top of that paying an additional $1500 per month for a family of 4 for a copay on top of that. 

I'd say he has every right to cry as many rivers as he wishes. 

Our healthcare plan is about 2k a month. About half is paid by us and half by our employer. So if you’re self employed you pay the whole 2k.
And the copays are often terrible. $30 for a regular dr visit, that’s not bad. But if they run tests, lab work, X-rays, or see a specialist that’s all additional.
Urgent care visit for something simple will usually run about $500. Emergency room is going to be a minimum of 2k, and that’s assuming it’s a short in and out visit. It’s several thousand a day if you stay over night.

Sounds like you need a new plan.

Don’t have a choice, only one offered. Only other option is paying fully out of pocket for the insurance.

It's the one part of Obamacare that I was unhappy with.  The lack of good choices as an individual.  I have a "gold package"  not sure what tier you were offered or have but it's nothing like my company health care I had previous to this one.

Insurance plans have been markedly worse every year since about 2000.  

For individuals?  If so I wouldn't know.  I didn't have to find a private one until 2014 and I will say it was night and day from my group one I had previously...

Family, to be clear.  But it sounds like you are comparing what's available on Obamacare vs an employment plan.  I was saying that employer plans are worse and worse every year.  

Obamacare ones will follow the same trend since all Obamacare does is provide a portal for private insurers to underwrite you in a group from the portal.  The reason the individual mandate is so important is that Obamacare entries would be high risk, as they are the ones that would go in and need the insurance.  So you need healthy young people to offset it.  But in general, the pool of insured is going to be higher risk than that of an employer plan, hence bad rates comparatively. 

Are employer plans worse every year? Mine hasn’t been. In fact, Obamacare resulted in my co pay and rise of premiums at their slowest percentage change since employment or were flat. This year we received enhanced benefits with a 2% increase in cost. Medical, dental and eye care coverage.

mrussel1 said:

tish said:

Ask yourself: while Canadian children lose the social and academic benefits of in-person schooling this week, what unnecessary freedoms are you enjoying? A trip to the mall, dinner with friends, or perhaps a movie night out?

What's your point?  Should we not go out dinner because Canadian kids aren't in school?

Meltdown99 said:

mrussel1 said:

tish said:

Ask yourself: while Canadian children lose the social and academic benefits of in-person schooling this week, what unnecessary freedoms are you enjoying? A trip to the mall, dinner with friends, or perhaps a movie night out?

What's your point?  Should we not go out dinner because Canadian kids aren't in school?

So when Canadians kids are locked out of school you’ve gone out to dinner?  Shaking my head…