Organized robberies in L.A. Hints of societal breakdown?
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My only guess is it's a copy cat crime. It's a very safe town to live in so no one is expecting it.JeBurkhardt said:
I guess the TJ Maxx had too good of security in place to try to pull it there.tempo_n_groove said:We just had one happen in the town I used to live in at a damn Marshalls of all places.0 -
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Haha! When I was a kid, my buddies and I stole from freaking Kmart, man.brianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:
bedroom linens are getting out of control expensive, you know.tempo_n_groove said:We just had one happen in the town I used to live in at a damn Marshalls of all places.Haha!I was just thinking, what the hell would someone risk getting arrested for that would lead them to robbing a fricking Marshall's of all places? Maybe they though they were going to score some amps?
We also used to take trips to the mall every weekend and have a contest on who could steal the most shit.
We had four area malls, so we could rotate as we got bored as well.
We kept none to very little of of our haul. It was just for kicks. I mean, we had to ditch it. How would we explain to our parents huge shopping bags filled with merchandise they know we had no means to pay for?
I'm not proud of it or anything; it was just something to do while we waited for our drug dealer to show up.
At any rate, I'm wondering if some of these incidents are the same -- that is to say, basically driven more by peer pressure and crushing ennui than any real malice.
I can only confess to the one theft I've committed in my life: theft of cardboard.
When I was in my early 20's, a friend of mine said we should take the cardboard from behind the local grocery store and take it in to the recycle center for cash. He noticed I had a trailer hitch on my car and that we could hook up his small flatbed trailer and go load it up. He suggested we go after hours so as "not to get in the way of the store workers".It all sounded harmless enough, so I said OK. We loaded up the cardboard and took it to the recycle center and got something like $20 bucks for it- not bad money back then.A few days later I got a call of the Sheriff's office- from a detective, no less. I had to go in and talk to this detective and was told that the guy at the recycle center had taken down my license plate number and called it in. I had to go to court and stand before a judge and explain my stupid ass naive actions. The judge gave me a $40 fine and told me that because I had been truthful about what I did, he would not put the incident on my record. I'm guessing he thought it would be pretty lame to give a first time offender kid a record for stealing some fucking cardboard.
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Well, Mr. Lux, at least you didn’t throw it down an embankment, making two piles of garbage, and have to sit on a bench where everyone else sitting on the bench moved away from you when you told them you were in there for littering.brianlux said:dankind said:
Haha! When I was a kid, my buddies and I stole from freaking Kmart, man.brianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:
bedroom linens are getting out of control expensive, you know.tempo_n_groove said:We just had one happen in the town I used to live in at a damn Marshalls of all places.Haha!I was just thinking, what the hell would someone risk getting arrested for that would lead them to robbing a fricking Marshall's of all places? Maybe they though they were going to score some amps?
We also used to take trips to the mall every weekend and have a contest on who could steal the most shit.
We had four area malls, so we could rotate as we got bored as well.
We kept none to very little of of our haul. It was just for kicks. I mean, we had to ditch it. How would we explain to our parents huge shopping bags filled with merchandise they know we had no means to pay for?
I'm not proud of it or anything; it was just something to do while we waited for our drug dealer to show up.
At any rate, I'm wondering if some of these incidents are the same -- that is to say, basically driven more by peer pressure and crushing ennui than any real malice.
I can only confess to the one theft I've committed in my life: theft of cardboard.
When I was in my early 20's, a friend of mine said we should take the cardboard from behind the local grocery store and take it in to the recycle center for cash. He noticed I had a trailer hitch on my car and that we could hook up his small flatbed trailer and go load it up. He suggested we go after hours so as "not to get in the way of the store workers".It all sounded harmless enough, so I said OK. We loaded up the cardboard and took it to the recycle center and got something like $20 bucks for it- not bad money back then.A few days later I got a call of the Sheriff's office- from a detective, no less. I had to go in and talk to this detective and was told that the guy at the recycle center had taken down my license plate number and called it in. I had to go to court and stand before a judge and explain my stupid ass naive actions. The judge gave me a $40 fine and told me that because I had been truthful about what I did, he would not put the incident on my record. I'm guessing he thought it would be pretty lame to give a first time offender kid a record for stealing some fucking cardboard.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Well, Mr. Lux, at least you didn’t throw it down an embankment, making two piles of garbage, and have to sit on a bench where everyone else sitting on the bench moved away from you when you told them you were in there for littering.brianlux said:dankind said:
Haha! When I was a kid, my buddies and I stole from freaking Kmart, man.brianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:
bedroom linens are getting out of control expensive, you know.tempo_n_groove said:We just had one happen in the town I used to live in at a damn Marshalls of all places.Haha!I was just thinking, what the hell would someone risk getting arrested for that would lead them to robbing a fricking Marshall's of all places? Maybe they though they were going to score some amps?
We also used to take trips to the mall every weekend and have a contest on who could steal the most shit.
We had four area malls, so we could rotate as we got bored as well.
We kept none to very little of of our haul. It was just for kicks. I mean, we had to ditch it. How would we explain to our parents huge shopping bags filled with merchandise they know we had no means to pay for?
I'm not proud of it or anything; it was just something to do while we waited for our drug dealer to show up.
At any rate, I'm wondering if some of these incidents are the same -- that is to say, basically driven more by peer pressure and crushing ennui than any real malice.
I can only confess to the one theft I've committed in my life: theft of cardboard.
When I was in my early 20's, a friend of mine said we should take the cardboard from behind the local grocery store and take it in to the recycle center for cash. He noticed I had a trailer hitch on my car and that we could hook up his small flatbed trailer and go load it up. He suggested we go after hours so as "not to get in the way of the store workers".It all sounded harmless enough, so I said OK. We loaded up the cardboard and took it to the recycle center and got something like $20 bucks for it- not bad money back then.A few days later I got a call of the Sheriff's office- from a detective, no less. I had to go in and talk to this detective and was told that the guy at the recycle center had taken down my license plate number and called it in. I had to go to court and stand before a judge and explain my stupid ass naive actions. The judge gave me a $40 fine and told me that because I had been truthful about what I did, he would not put the incident on my record. I'm guessing he thought it would be pretty lame to give a first time offender kid a record for stealing some fucking cardboard.
LOL, yeah, that would be a bit embarrassing. The weird thing about this is that while I was waiting outside, a woman who I guess was court security or a bailiff or something tried very hard to convince me to plead "not guilty" saying there is no way they could prove I did anything wrong. She had me really confused. Was she right, or was she trying to set me up? I opted to go with being honest and it paid off. I think she was trying to set me up.
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back in high school, a bunch of friends and I were walking home drunk after a party. we came across a 70's style van, so one idiot said "open it up!" so they did, and there was a bunch of lumber in there. So stupidly we grabbed some of the 2x4's and were doing our best Hacksaw Jim Duggan HOOOOOO as we drunkenly walked home.brianlux said:dankind said:
Haha! When I was a kid, my buddies and I stole from freaking Kmart, man.brianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:
bedroom linens are getting out of control expensive, you know.tempo_n_groove said:We just had one happen in the town I used to live in at a damn Marshalls of all places.Haha!I was just thinking, what the hell would someone risk getting arrested for that would lead them to robbing a fricking Marshall's of all places? Maybe they though they were going to score some amps?
We also used to take trips to the mall every weekend and have a contest on who could steal the most shit.
We had four area malls, so we could rotate as we got bored as well.
We kept none to very little of of our haul. It was just for kicks. I mean, we had to ditch it. How would we explain to our parents huge shopping bags filled with merchandise they know we had no means to pay for?
I'm not proud of it or anything; it was just something to do while we waited for our drug dealer to show up.
At any rate, I'm wondering if some of these incidents are the same -- that is to say, basically driven more by peer pressure and crushing ennui than any real malice.
I can only confess to the one theft I've committed in my life: theft of cardboard.
When I was in my early 20's, a friend of mine said we should take the cardboard from behind the local grocery store and take it in to the recycle center for cash. He noticed I had a trailer hitch on my car and that we could hook up his small flatbed trailer and go load it up. He suggested we go after hours so as "not to get in the way of the store workers".It all sounded harmless enough, so I said OK. We loaded up the cardboard and took it to the recycle center and got something like $20 bucks for it- not bad money back then.A few days later I got a call of the Sheriff's office- from a detective, no less. I had to go in and talk to this detective and was told that the guy at the recycle center had taken down my license plate number and called it in. I had to go to court and stand before a judge and explain my stupid ass naive actions. The judge gave me a $40 fine and told me that because I had been truthful about what I did, he would not put the incident on my record. I'm guessing he thought it would be pretty lame to give a first time offender kid a record for stealing some fucking cardboard.
As luck would have it, one of my sister's friends was driving home and witnessed us doing this. As more luck would have it, the van belonged to a friend's dad. My sister's friend told my sister the next week at school, who was more than eager to tell my parents. My brother urged my mom to call the cops on me (to scare me straight) but they didn't. I guess my sister's friend wasn't willing to go "on record" about it. Or wasn't 100% sure it was me/us.
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back in high school, a bunch of friends and I were walking home drunk after a party. we came across a 70's style van, so one idiot said "open it up!" so they did, and there was a bunch of lumber in there. So stupidly we grabbed some of the 2x4's and were doing our best Hacksaw Jim Duggan HOOOOOO as we drunkenly walked home.brianlux said:dankind said:
Haha! When I was a kid, my buddies and I stole from freaking Kmart, man.brianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:
bedroom linens are getting out of control expensive, you know.tempo_n_groove said:We just had one happen in the town I used to live in at a damn Marshalls of all places.Haha!I was just thinking, what the hell would someone risk getting arrested for that would lead them to robbing a fricking Marshall's of all places? Maybe they though they were going to score some amps?
We also used to take trips to the mall every weekend and have a contest on who could steal the most shit.
We had four area malls, so we could rotate as we got bored as well.
We kept none to very little of of our haul. It was just for kicks. I mean, we had to ditch it. How would we explain to our parents huge shopping bags filled with merchandise they know we had no means to pay for?
I'm not proud of it or anything; it was just something to do while we waited for our drug dealer to show up.
At any rate, I'm wondering if some of these incidents are the same -- that is to say, basically driven more by peer pressure and crushing ennui than any real malice.
I can only confess to the one theft I've committed in my life: theft of cardboard.
When I was in my early 20's, a friend of mine said we should take the cardboard from behind the local grocery store and take it in to the recycle center for cash. He noticed I had a trailer hitch on my car and that we could hook up his small flatbed trailer and go load it up. He suggested we go after hours so as "not to get in the way of the store workers".It all sounded harmless enough, so I said OK. We loaded up the cardboard and took it to the recycle center and got something like $20 bucks for it- not bad money back then.A few days later I got a call of the Sheriff's office- from a detective, no less. I had to go in and talk to this detective and was told that the guy at the recycle center had taken down my license plate number and called it in. I had to go to court and stand before a judge and explain my stupid ass naive actions. The judge gave me a $40 fine and told me that because I had been truthful about what I did, he would not put the incident on my record. I'm guessing he thought it would be pretty lame to give a first time offender kid a record for stealing some fucking cardboard.
As luck would have it, one of my sister's friends was driving home and witnessed us doing this. As more luck would have it, the van belonged to a friend's dad. My sister's friend told my sister the next week at school, who was more than eager to tell my parents. My brother urged my mom to call the cops on me (to scare me straight) but they didn't. I guess my sister's friend wasn't willing to go "on record" about it. Or wasn't 100% sure it was me/us.
Lumber. Nowadays might as well have been gold.
Stealing lumber could get you life these days.
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Truck carrying $30,000 of gnocchi stolen from Australia restaurant
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Meltdown99 said:
Truck carrying $30,000 of gnocchi stolen from Australia restaurant
$21,130 U.S., $26,972 Canadian.Still, a lotta potato!"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
It's not LA, but likely due to macro-level societal breakdown.
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Society is not breaking down…crime has always existed…and always will.
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Yeah crime's always existed but the reaction to it has changed...often for partisan reasons. From conservatives backing the January 6th rioters (complete with a Tucker Carlson documentary called "Patriot Purge") to liberals backing last summer's BLM rioters (complete with soon-to-be VP Kamala Harris promoting a bail fund for those arrested).Meltdown99 said:Society is not breaking down…crime has always existed…and always will.
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If your Vice President cared about justice then the government would have to reimburse all legal fees upon an acquittal…people not getting good lawyers likely lead to a lot of miscarriages of justice.Ledbetterman10 said:
Yeah crime's always existed but the reaction to it has changed...often for partisan reasons. From conservatives backing the January 6th rioters (complete with a Tucker Carlson documentary called "Patriot Purge") to liberals backing last summer's BLM rioters (complete with soon-to-be VP Kamala Harris promoting a bail fund for those arrested).Meltdown99 said:Society is not breaking down…crime has always existed…and always will.I live in liberal Canada where our liberal government is reducing sentences including sentences for gun crime…gotta get the votes.
a town I lived in for 20 years had a triple homicide in the early 90s…an 18 year killed a young fellow and this young fellows grandparents…he was convicted of 1st degree murder x3…he is out on parole.
one of the most famous Canadian murderers, Paul Bernardo and his wife at the time raped and killed 3 teenagers, she’s free, lives in Quebec and he’s had 2 parole hearings, so he gets to traumatize the families every 2 fucking years when his parole hearing comes due. One of the teenagers raped and murdered was the sister of Karla Homolka (his wife)…yup she raped and murdered her own sister and only got 12 years.And on and on…it’s bullshit. If you are not removing peoples freedoms for committing crimes then you remove the deterrent.
and I could go on and on…
guns flow in freely from the US…what are the minions who man those border booths biggest concern is these days…making sure they punish Canadians returning from day trips who don’t use some dumbass government app to re-enter our country fully vaccinated…Give Peas A Chance…0 -
Because we all know the two types of demonstrations/insurrections are same-same, from motive, to numbers of arrests, to severity, etc. Its a fair comparison. Mostly peaceful protestors versus a vacation like Disney World visit.
‘They set us up’: US police arrested over 10,000 protesters, many non-violent
Since George Floyd’s death at the hands of police in Minneapolis, Minnesota, on 25 May, about 140 cities in all 50 states throughout the US have seen protests and demonstrations in response to the killing.
More than 10,000 people have been arrested around the US during the protests, as police forces regularly use pepper spray, rubber bullets, teargas and batons on protesters, media and bystanders. Several major US cities have enacted curfews in an attempt to stop demonstrations and curb unrest.
‘They set us up’: US police arrested over 10,000 protesters, many non-violent | George Floyd | The Guardian
During protests over the police in-custody death of George Floyd in the summer of 2020, Kamala Harris donated money to a Minnesota nonprofit that helped protesters who were arrested get out of jail and break more laws.What's TrueHarris expressed support for a nonprofit called the Minnesota Freedom Fund (MFF), which pays criminal bail and immigration bonds, and encouraged her supporters to donate to it during the protests over Floyd's death in the summer of 2020.
And funny this:What's FalseHowever, Harris did not donate money to the nonprofit before, after, or during the protests, according to its records. Additionally, no evidence shows people who received bail or bond assistance from MFF for arrests during the demonstrations committed more crimes after their initial detainment.
Did Kamala Harris Bail Out 'Violent Rioters' During George Floyd Protests? | Snopes.com
Keep perpetuating the myth. Has "Umbrella Man" been charged yet?
The vast majority of citations and charges against George Floyd protesters were ultimately dropped, dismissed or otherwise not filed, according to a Guardian analysis of law enforcement records and media reports in a dozen jurisdictions around the nation.
But some prosecutors and law enforcement observers charge that departments carried out mass arrests as a crowd control tactic, as a means to silence peaceful protesters, and as a public relations strategy designed to turn the public against demonstrators by making them appear more violent than they were. And what’s more – some of the citing officers never witnessed the protests in the first place.
Most charges against George Floyd protesters dropped, analysis shows | US policing | The Guardian
Why Charges Against Protesters Are Being Dismissed by the Thousands - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
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Meltdown99 said:Society is not breaking down…crime has always existed…and always will.Crime is but one indicator or societal break down. Here are some other indicators of societal breakdown in the U.S., possibly other countries:-Democracy, which was once held as sacred, is threatened.
-Knee jerk bating and hate on the internet is rampant.
-People are becoming more aggressive in their driving habits. "Road rage" has not always been a thing.
-Education in the U.S. is on the decline.*
-Environmental degradation is a sign of societal collapse (For example, deforestation was a major factor in the fall of the Greek empire.)
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Crazy stuff. We're probably heading down the same road. I guess a most recent example would be that guy Darrell Brooks that killed a bunch of people at a Christmas parade by running them over with his car. He was arrested just a month earlier for....running someone over with his car....but was released on $1,000 bond. He, as you might expect, has a long criminal history. He's also a registered sex offender.Meltdown99 said:
If your Vice President cared about justice then the government would have to reimburse all legal fees upon an acquittal…people not getting good lawyers likely lead to a lot of miscarriages of justice.Ledbetterman10 said:
Yeah crime's always existed but the reaction to it has changed...often for partisan reasons. From conservatives backing the January 6th rioters (complete with a Tucker Carlson documentary called "Patriot Purge") to liberals backing last summer's BLM rioters (complete with soon-to-be VP Kamala Harris promoting a bail fund for those arrested).Meltdown99 said:Society is not breaking down…crime has always existed…and always will.I live in liberal Canada where our liberal government is reducing sentences including sentences for gun crime…gotta get the votes.
a town I lived in for 20 years had a triple homicide in the early 90s…an 18 year killed a young fellow and this young fellows grandparents…he was convicted of 1st degree murder x3…he is out on parole.
one of the most famous Canadian murderers, Paul Bernardo and his wife at the time raped and killed 3 teenagers, she’s free, lives in Quebec and he’s had 2 parole hearings, so he gets to traumatize the families every 2 fucking years when his parole hearing comes due. One of the teenagers raped and murdered was the sister of Karla Homolka (his wife)…yup she raped and murdered her own sister and only got 12 years.And on and on…it’s bullshit. If you are not removing peoples freedoms for committing crimes then you remove the deterrent.
and I could go on and on…
guns flow in freely from the US…what are the minions who man those border booths biggest concern is these days…making sure they punish Canadians returning from day trips who don’t use some dumbass government app to re-enter our country fully vaccinated…
Darrell E. Brooks: The suspect was out on bond after allegedly running over a woman earlier this month - CNN
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Does Canada reimburse legal fees if you’re found not guilty?Meltdown99 said:
If your Vice President cared about justice then the government would have to reimburse all legal fees upon an acquittal…people not getting good lawyers likely lead to a lot of miscarriages of justice.Ledbetterman10 said:
Yeah crime's always existed but the reaction to it has changed...often for partisan reasons. From conservatives backing the January 6th rioters (complete with a Tucker Carlson documentary called "Patriot Purge") to liberals backing last summer's BLM rioters (complete with soon-to-be VP Kamala Harris promoting a bail fund for those arrested).Meltdown99 said:Society is not breaking down…crime has always existed…and always will.I live in liberal Canada where our liberal government is reducing sentences including sentences for gun crime…gotta get the votes.
a town I lived in for 20 years had a triple homicide in the early 90s…an 18 year killed a young fellow and this young fellows grandparents…he was convicted of 1st degree murder x3…he is out on parole.
one of the most famous Canadian murderers, Paul Bernardo and his wife at the time raped and killed 3 teenagers, she’s free, lives in Quebec and he’s had 2 parole hearings, so he gets to traumatize the families every 2 fucking years when his parole hearing comes due. One of the teenagers raped and murdered was the sister of Karla Homolka (his wife)…yup she raped and murdered her own sister and only got 12 years.And on and on…it’s bullshit. If you are not removing peoples freedoms for committing crimes then you remove the deterrent.
and I could go on and on…
guns flow in freely from the US…what are the minions who man those border booths biggest concern is these days…making sure they punish Canadians returning from day trips who don’t use some dumbass government app to re-enter our country fully vaccinated…
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You'd trust your freedom to a public defender?mace1229 said:
Does Canada reimburse legal fees if you’re found not guilty?Meltdown99 said:
If your Vice President cared about justice then the government would have to reimburse all legal fees upon an acquittal…people not getting good lawyers likely lead to a lot of miscarriages of justice.Ledbetterman10 said:
Yeah crime's always existed but the reaction to it has changed...often for partisan reasons. From conservatives backing the January 6th rioters (complete with a Tucker Carlson documentary called "Patriot Purge") to liberals backing last summer's BLM rioters (complete with soon-to-be VP Kamala Harris promoting a bail fund for those arrested).Meltdown99 said:Society is not breaking down…crime has always existed…and always will.I live in liberal Canada where our liberal government is reducing sentences including sentences for gun crime…gotta get the votes.
a town I lived in for 20 years had a triple homicide in the early 90s…an 18 year killed a young fellow and this young fellows grandparents…he was convicted of 1st degree murder x3…he is out on parole.
one of the most famous Canadian murderers, Paul Bernardo and his wife at the time raped and killed 3 teenagers, she’s free, lives in Quebec and he’s had 2 parole hearings, so he gets to traumatize the families every 2 fucking years when his parole hearing comes due. One of the teenagers raped and murdered was the sister of Karla Homolka (his wife)…yup she raped and murdered her own sister and only got 12 years.And on and on…it’s bullshit. If you are not removing peoples freedoms for committing crimes then you remove the deterrent.
and I could go on and on…
guns flow in freely from the US…what are the minions who man those border booths biggest concern is these days…making sure they punish Canadians returning from day trips who don’t use some dumbass government app to re-enter our country fully vaccinated…
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Hell no. But we have legal aid and I believe you get your own lawyer…but that only applies to people who can not afford a lawyer.mace1229 said:
Does Canada reimburse legal fees if you’re found not guilty?Meltdown99 said:
If your Vice President cared about justice then the government would have to reimburse all legal fees upon an acquittal…people not getting good lawyers likely lead to a lot of miscarriages of justice.Ledbetterman10 said:
Yeah crime's always existed but the reaction to it has changed...often for partisan reasons. From conservatives backing the January 6th rioters (complete with a Tucker Carlson documentary called "Patriot Purge") to liberals backing last summer's BLM rioters (complete with soon-to-be VP Kamala Harris promoting a bail fund for those arrested).Meltdown99 said:Society is not breaking down…crime has always existed…and always will.I live in liberal Canada where our liberal government is reducing sentences including sentences for gun crime…gotta get the votes.
a town I lived in for 20 years had a triple homicide in the early 90s…an 18 year killed a young fellow and this young fellows grandparents…he was convicted of 1st degree murder x3…he is out on parole.
one of the most famous Canadian murderers, Paul Bernardo and his wife at the time raped and killed 3 teenagers, she’s free, lives in Quebec and he’s had 2 parole hearings, so he gets to traumatize the families every 2 fucking years when his parole hearing comes due. One of the teenagers raped and murdered was the sister of Karla Homolka (his wife)…yup she raped and murdered her own sister and only got 12 years.And on and on…it’s bullshit. If you are not removing peoples freedoms for committing crimes then you remove the deterrent.
and I could go on and on…
guns flow in freely from the US…what are the minions who man those border booths biggest concern is these days…making sure they punish Canadians returning from day trips who don’t use some dumbass government app to re-enter our country fully vaccinated…
I guess an easy way to get out of it here is you’re provided a lawyer for free if needed.
But I say the same, if found not guilty all legal fees should be reimbursed. Why should someone be handed a legal bill if the state either could not prove their case or they have the wrong person…
one of the most famous wrongful convictions in Canadian history was Guy Paul Morin…He had two trials before dna cleared him…but the evidence cleared him in the 1st trial and that jury had it right…he was compensated around 1 million.
another Steven Truscott…convicted as a teenager for a murder he never committed nor could he have physically committed the crime…he was the youngest person to ever be sentenced to death…he was originally sentenced to hang…I believe he was 14. His convictions were not overturned till mid 2000s…he was eventually compensated.The there are others Donald Marshall and David Millard are other more notable ones that had wrongful convictions overturned and were compensated…
canada has a history of some interesting criminal cases…Give Peas A Chance…0 -
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record levels of income disparity in spite of record unemployment
highest prison population per capita
children murdering children in schools
megachurches
more guns than people
homelessness
hunger
pandemic
unaffordable health and mental care
isolationist foreign policy
structural racism
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