Organized robberies in L.A. Hints of societal breakdown?

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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,033
    nicknyr15 said:
    brianlux said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    :lol: brianlux said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Who said anything about “problem solved?” A few posts were lamenting that nothing would be done and that there’d be no consequences though. Funny that.

    I think he had to have been joking... right, Nick?

    Not joking. There’s little consequence to their action, which I’m sure they knew before hand. Plus it looks like the Bay Area is refunding the police to combat this. This article seems to confirm all this, unless I’m misunderstanding? 

    I certainly hope you are right.  It would be great to see these robberies and thefts diminish just like it would be great to see corporate theft diminish.  Of course, that's about as likely as wishing to win the lottery four times.  :lol:
    I hear ya! The problem here is every time I bring something up I feel like people get so politically defensive. I don’t live in a red state or in a rural area and probably never will not for any other reason than preference for city life. It’d be nice  to have discussions without people getting so defensive politically that they need to search for a rebuttal instead of honestly discussing an obvious problem. 

    Yeah, gotta admit, we could do better here.  I try, but I backslide too.
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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,441
    brianlux said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    brianlux said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    :lol: brianlux said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Who said anything about “problem solved?” A few posts were lamenting that nothing would be done and that there’d be no consequences though. Funny that.

    I think he had to have been joking... right, Nick?

    Not joking. There’s little consequence to their action, which I’m sure they knew before hand. Plus it looks like the Bay Area is refunding the police to combat this. This article seems to confirm all this, unless I’m misunderstanding? 

    I certainly hope you are right.  It would be great to see these robberies and thefts diminish just like it would be great to see corporate theft diminish.  Of course, that's about as likely as wishing to win the lottery four times.  :lol:
    I hear ya! The problem here is every time I bring something up I feel like people get so politically defensive. I don’t live in a red state or in a rural area and probably never will not for any other reason than preference for city life. It’d be nice  to have discussions without people getting so defensive politically that they need to search for a rebuttal instead of honestly discussing an obvious problem. 

    Yeah, gotta admit, we could do better here.  I try, but I backslide too.
    Yea there’s obviously a handful trolls that look to illicit that response. Luckily there’s only a handful. 
  • nicknyr15 said:
    brianlux said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    :lol: brianlux said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Who said anything about “problem solved?” A few posts were lamenting that nothing would be done and that there’d be no consequences though. Funny that.

    I think he had to have been joking... right, Nick?

    Not joking. There’s little consequence to their action, which I’m sure they knew before hand. Plus it looks like the Bay Area is refunding the police to combat this. This article seems to confirm all this, unless I’m misunderstanding? 

    I certainly hope you are right.  It would be great to see these robberies and thefts diminish just like it would be great to see corporate theft diminish.  Of course, that's about as likely as wishing to win the lottery four times.  :lol:
    I hear ya! The problem here is every time I bring something up I feel like people get so politically defensive. I don’t live in a red state or in a rural area and probably never will not for any other reason than preference for city life. It’d be nice  to have discussions without people getting so defensive politically that they need to search for a rebuttal instead of honestly discussing an obvious problem. 
    Maybe for some of us, it’s not a problem that requires a whole shit ton of thought or attention because it’s property crime and besides the bringing on of the collapse of society, doesn’t impact us. As opposed to a much more serious problem of gun violence. Seriously, how difficult of a problem is it to address? Here’s a few suggestions for the retailers: lock your shit up at night and use cable locks during store hours; use knock offs for display purposes; put exploding dye packs or GPS tags in or on the merch; use revolving doors for entrances with manual push button locks; hire a cop on overtime to stand at the entrance. My low crime city has a cop at the exit to the Whole Foods. Why? No idea but he or she is there 7 days a week during opening hours, 7-10.

    You’ll never eliminate criminals and criminality. Unless you elect Deathsantis as POTUS.
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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,441
    nicknyr15 said:
    brianlux said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    :lol: brianlux said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Who said anything about “problem solved?” A few posts were lamenting that nothing would be done and that there’d be no consequences though. Funny that.

    I think he had to have been joking... right, Nick?

    Not joking. There’s little consequence to their action, which I’m sure they knew before hand. Plus it looks like the Bay Area is refunding the police to combat this. This article seems to confirm all this, unless I’m misunderstanding? 

    I certainly hope you are right.  It would be great to see these robberies and thefts diminish just like it would be great to see corporate theft diminish.  Of course, that's about as likely as wishing to win the lottery four times.  :lol:
    I hear ya! The problem here is every time I bring something up I feel like people get so politically defensive. I don’t live in a red state or in a rural area and probably never will not for any other reason than preference for city life. It’d be nice  to have discussions without people getting so defensive politically that they need to search for a rebuttal instead of honestly discussing an obvious problem. 
    Maybe for some of us, it’s not a problem that requires a whole shit ton of thought or attention because it’s property crime and besides the bringing on of the collapse of society, doesn’t impact us. As opposed to a much more serious problem of gun violence. Seriously, how difficult of a problem is it to address? Here’s a few suggestions for the retailers: lock your shit up at night and use cable locks during store hours; use knock offs for display purposes; put exploding dye packs or GPS tags in or on the merch; use revolving doors for entrances with manual push button locks; hire a cop on overtime to stand at the entrance. My low crime city has a cop at the exit to the Whole Foods. Why? No idea but he or she is there 7 days a week during opening hours, 7-10.

    You’ll never eliminate criminals and criminality. Unless you elect Deathsantis as POTUS.
    Ok. 🙄🙄🙄🙄

    you’re putting this on the retailers instead of the politicians who put certain laws into effect that lead to this problem. That’s your opinion I guess , to me, it’s ridiculous. 
  • nicknyr15 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    brianlux said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    :lol: brianlux said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Who said anything about “problem solved?” A few posts were lamenting that nothing would be done and that there’d be no consequences though. Funny that.

    I think he had to have been joking... right, Nick?

    Not joking. There’s little consequence to their action, which I’m sure they knew before hand. Plus it looks like the Bay Area is refunding the police to combat this. This article seems to confirm all this, unless I’m misunderstanding? 

    I certainly hope you are right.  It would be great to see these robberies and thefts diminish just like it would be great to see corporate theft diminish.  Of course, that's about as likely as wishing to win the lottery four times.  :lol:
    I hear ya! The problem here is every time I bring something up I feel like people get so politically defensive. I don’t live in a red state or in a rural area and probably never will not for any other reason than preference for city life. It’d be nice  to have discussions without people getting so defensive politically that they need to search for a rebuttal instead of honestly discussing an obvious problem. 
    Maybe for some of us, it’s not a problem that requires a whole shit ton of thought or attention because it’s property crime and besides the bringing on of the collapse of society, doesn’t impact us. As opposed to a much more serious problem of gun violence. Seriously, how difficult of a problem is it to address? Here’s a few suggestions for the retailers: lock your shit up at night and use cable locks during store hours; use knock offs for display purposes; put exploding dye packs or GPS tags in or on the merch; use revolving doors for entrances with manual push button locks; hire a cop on overtime to stand at the entrance. My low crime city has a cop at the exit to the Whole Foods. Why? No idea but he or she is there 7 days a week during opening hours, 7-10.

    You’ll never eliminate criminals and criminality. Unless you elect Deathsantis as POTUS.
    Ok. 🙄🙄🙄🙄

    you’re putting this on the retailers instead of the politicians who put certain laws into effect that lead to this problem. That’s your opinion I guess , to me, it’s ridiculous. 
    What laws went into effect that lead to this problem? How many of these smash n grab robberies have occurred? 5, 10 or 100s or 1,000s?

    Guess I should blame the politicians instead of the “responsible” gun owners for the gun violence problem?

    It’s ridiculous to be hand wringing over this when kids get shot in classrooms and nothing has changed. But whaaaaa the Gucci’s and the rolexes! See the difference?
    09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;

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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,441
    nicknyr15 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    brianlux said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    :lol: brianlux said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Who said anything about “problem solved?” A few posts were lamenting that nothing would be done and that there’d be no consequences though. Funny that.

    I think he had to have been joking... right, Nick?

    Not joking. There’s little consequence to their action, which I’m sure they knew before hand. Plus it looks like the Bay Area is refunding the police to combat this. This article seems to confirm all this, unless I’m misunderstanding? 

    I certainly hope you are right.  It would be great to see these robberies and thefts diminish just like it would be great to see corporate theft diminish.  Of course, that's about as likely as wishing to win the lottery four times.  :lol:
    I hear ya! The problem here is every time I bring something up I feel like people get so politically defensive. I don’t live in a red state or in a rural area and probably never will not for any other reason than preference for city life. It’d be nice  to have discussions without people getting so defensive politically that they need to search for a rebuttal instead of honestly discussing an obvious problem. 
    Maybe for some of us, it’s not a problem that requires a whole shit ton of thought or attention because it’s property crime and besides the bringing on of the collapse of society, doesn’t impact us. As opposed to a much more serious problem of gun violence. Seriously, how difficult of a problem is it to address? Here’s a few suggestions for the retailers: lock your shit up at night and use cable locks during store hours; use knock offs for display purposes; put exploding dye packs or GPS tags in or on the merch; use revolving doors for entrances with manual push button locks; hire a cop on overtime to stand at the entrance. My low crime city has a cop at the exit to the Whole Foods. Why? No idea but he or she is there 7 days a week during opening hours, 7-10.

    You’ll never eliminate criminals and criminality. Unless you elect Deathsantis as POTUS.
    Ok. 🙄🙄🙄🙄

    you’re putting this on the retailers instead of the politicians who put certain laws into effect that lead to this problem. That’s your opinion I guess , to me, it’s ridiculous. 
    What laws went into effect that lead to this problem? How many of these smash n grab robberies have occurred? 5, 10 or 100s or 1,000s?

    Guess I should blame the politicians instead of the “responsible” gun owners for the gun violence problem?

    It’s ridiculous to be hand wringing over this when kids get shot in classrooms and nothing has changed. But whaaaaa the Gucci’s and the rolexes! See the difference?
    Like I was told
    in another thread…. This isn’t the gun violence thread. We’re discussing the topic that Brian brought up here. Go to the gun violence thread to talk about white conservatives and their ARs. See the difference? 
  • nicknyr15 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    brianlux said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    :lol: brianlux said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Who said anything about “problem solved?” A few posts were lamenting that nothing would be done and that there’d be no consequences though. Funny that.

    I think he had to have been joking... right, Nick?

    Not joking. There’s little consequence to their action, which I’m sure they knew before hand. Plus it looks like the Bay Area is refunding the police to combat this. This article seems to confirm all this, unless I’m misunderstanding? 

    I certainly hope you are right.  It would be great to see these robberies and thefts diminish just like it would be great to see corporate theft diminish.  Of course, that's about as likely as wishing to win the lottery four times.  :lol:
    I hear ya! The problem here is every time I bring something up I feel like people get so politically defensive. I don’t live in a red state or in a rural area and probably never will not for any other reason than preference for city life. It’d be nice  to have discussions without people getting so defensive politically that they need to search for a rebuttal instead of honestly discussing an obvious problem. 
    Maybe for some of us, it’s not a problem that requires a whole shit ton of thought or attention because it’s property crime and besides the bringing on of the collapse of society, doesn’t impact us. As opposed to a much more serious problem of gun violence. Seriously, how difficult of a problem is it to address? Here’s a few suggestions for the retailers: lock your shit up at night and use cable locks during store hours; use knock offs for display purposes; put exploding dye packs or GPS tags in or on the merch; use revolving doors for entrances with manual push button locks; hire a cop on overtime to stand at the entrance. My low crime city has a cop at the exit to the Whole Foods. Why? No idea but he or she is there 7 days a week during opening hours, 7-10.

    You’ll never eliminate criminals and criminality. Unless you elect Deathsantis as POTUS.
    Ok. 🙄🙄🙄🙄

    you’re putting this on the retailers instead of the politicians who put certain laws into effect that lead to this problem. That’s your opinion I guess , to me, it’s ridiculous. 
    What laws went into effect that lead to this problem? How many of these smash n grab robberies have occurred? 5, 10 or 100s or 1,000s?

    Guess I should blame the politicians instead of the “responsible” gun owners for the gun violence problem?

    It’s ridiculous to be hand wringing over this when kids get shot in classrooms and nothing has changed. But whaaaaa the Gucci’s and the rolexes! See the difference?
    Like I was told
    in another thread…. This isn’t the gun violence thread. We’re discussing the topic that Brian brought up here. Go to the gun violence thread to talk about white conservatives and their ARs. See the difference? 
    RIF, reread the first part of my post. I guess banks shouldn’t have vaults then?

    You complain about discourse and when I asked you what laws lead to this and how many of these Smash n grabs there’s been, you responded by complaining. Typical.
    09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;

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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,441
    nicknyr15 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    brianlux said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    :lol: brianlux said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Who said anything about “problem solved?” A few posts were lamenting that nothing would be done and that there’d be no consequences though. Funny that.

    I think he had to have been joking... right, Nick?

    Not joking. There’s little consequence to their action, which I’m sure they knew before hand. Plus it looks like the Bay Area is refunding the police to combat this. This article seems to confirm all this, unless I’m misunderstanding? 

    I certainly hope you are right.  It would be great to see these robberies and thefts diminish just like it would be great to see corporate theft diminish.  Of course, that's about as likely as wishing to win the lottery four times.  :lol:
    I hear ya! The problem here is every time I bring something up I feel like people get so politically defensive. I don’t live in a red state or in a rural area and probably never will not for any other reason than preference for city life. It’d be nice  to have discussions without people getting so defensive politically that they need to search for a rebuttal instead of honestly discussing an obvious problem. 
    Maybe for some of us, it’s not a problem that requires a whole shit ton of thought or attention because it’s property crime and besides the bringing on of the collapse of society, doesn’t impact us. As opposed to a much more serious problem of gun violence. Seriously, how difficult of a problem is it to address? Here’s a few suggestions for the retailers: lock your shit up at night and use cable locks during store hours; use knock offs for display purposes; put exploding dye packs or GPS tags in or on the merch; use revolving doors for entrances with manual push button locks; hire a cop on overtime to stand at the entrance. My low crime city has a cop at the exit to the Whole Foods. Why? No idea but he or she is there 7 days a week during opening hours, 7-10.

    You’ll never eliminate criminals and criminality. Unless you elect Deathsantis as POTUS.
    Ok. 🙄🙄🙄🙄

    you’re putting this on the retailers instead of the politicians who put certain laws into effect that lead to this problem. That’s your opinion I guess , to me, it’s ridiculous. 
    What laws went into effect that lead to this problem? How many of these smash n grab robberies have occurred? 5, 10 or 100s or 1,000s?

    Guess I should blame the politicians instead of the “responsible” gun owners for the gun violence problem?

    It’s ridiculous to be hand wringing over this when kids get shot in classrooms and nothing has changed. But whaaaaa the Gucci’s and the rolexes! See the difference?
    Like I was told
    in another thread…. This isn’t the gun violence thread. We’re discussing the topic that Brian brought up here. Go to the gun violence thread to talk about white conservatives and their ARs. See the difference? 
    RIF, reread the first part of my post. I guess banks shouldn’t have vaults then?

    You complain about discourse and when I asked you what laws lead to this and how many of these Smash n grabs there’s been, you responded by complaining. Typical.
    What a waste of time. 
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    Property crime costs everyone in society.  retailers pass the cost of theft on to customers... it's in all our best interest to want less property crime...of course easy for me to say.  I live in a no-crime small town in which I could leave my door unlocked and come home and all would be fine...
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,033
    Property crime costs everyone in society.  retailers pass the cost of theft on to customers... it's in all our best interest to want less property crime...of course easy for me to say.  I live in a no-crime small town in which I could leave my door unlocked and come home and all would be fine...

    Good point in general. 
    But not all businesses pass along those costs.  Some have to eat it.  Some small businesses (like used bookstores) already have a hard time making a go of it.  If we raise our prices because someone steals books from us (and it does happen more than I care to think about) people will stop buying from us.  It's already hard enough to compete with big on-line conglomerates (like You-Know-Who, or, as we refer to them, "The Evil One", lol).
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    brianlux said:
    Property crime costs everyone in society.  retailers pass the cost of theft on to customers... it's in all our best interest to want less property crime...of course easy for me to say.  I live in a no-crime small town in which I could leave my door unlocked and come home and all would be fine...

    Good point in general. 
    But not all businesses pass along those costs.  Some have to eat it.  Some small businesses (like used bookstores) already have a hard time making a go of it.  If we raise our prices because someone steals books from us (and it does happen more than I care to think about) people will stop buying from us.  It's already hard enough to compete with big on-line conglomerates (like You-Know-Who, or, as we refer to them, "The Evil One", lol).
    Those are valid points.  Any cost increase to small businesses is detrimental to the owners...less wiggle room.  I worked with a fellow a few years ago and his brother-in-law owned a variety store that he closed because he could no longer get insurance to cover break-ins...he had numerous break-ins over the years...
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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,441
    brianlux said:
    Property crime costs everyone in society.  retailers pass the cost of theft on to customers... it's in all our best interest to want less property crime...of course easy for me to say.  I live in a no-crime small town in which I could leave my door unlocked and come home and all would be fine...

    Good point in general. 
    But not all businesses pass along those costs.  Some have to eat it.  Some small businesses (like used bookstores) already have a hard time making a go of it.  If we raise our prices because someone steals books from us (and it does happen more than I care to think about) people will stop buying from us.  It's already hard enough to compete with big on-line conglomerates (like You-Know-Who, or, as we refer to them, "The Evil One", lol).
    Yea but according to some, it’s a victimless crime!!! So move on! Stop complaining. 
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,033
    nicknyr15 said:
    brianlux said:
    Property crime costs everyone in society.  retailers pass the cost of theft on to customers... it's in all our best interest to want less property crime...of course easy for me to say.  I live in a no-crime small town in which I could leave my door unlocked and come home and all would be fine...

    Good point in general. 
    But not all businesses pass along those costs.  Some have to eat it.  Some small businesses (like used bookstores) already have a hard time making a go of it.  If we raise our prices because someone steals books from us (and it does happen more than I care to think about) people will stop buying from us.  It's already hard enough to compete with big on-line conglomerates (like You-Know-Who, or, as we refer to them, "The Evil One", lol).
    Yea but according to some, it’s a victimless crime!!! So move on! Stop complaining. 

    LOL, move on indeed!  I'm laughing because I'm at this tipping point with wanting to keep doing my little book and record business and at the same time very much wanting to move on and get out of it.  After 38  year in the business, my wife got to that same point this year and got out of it.  She's plenty busy doing other thing AND happier.  Smart lady!
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  • ZodZod Posts: 10,588
    I remember one in high school or university, a teacher/professor talked about how police work because it makes the populous feel like there's a reasonable chance of being caught and punished for committing a crime.   Police don't have the manpower to enforce things, so they enforce them just enough that people feel this way.

    I'm not sure how it is in the US, but in Canada it seems like all the police efforts pretty much go into having to deal with the fallout of the homeless/mental health/drug addicted problems.   Not much left for anything else.  Even then because the federal government passed laws on how long you can detain someone, the courts let them back out, and the police have to go arrest them again the same day.

    There's less and less police power to enforce anything else.

    It probably doesn't help that there's something like a million things that are illegal.  No chance of enforcing all of it. lol.
  • We just had one happen in the town I used to live in at a damn Marshalls of all places.
  • JeBurkhardtJeBurkhardt Posts: 4,858
    We just had one happen in the town I used to live in at a damn Marshalls of all places.
    I guess the TJ Maxx had too good of security in place to try to pull it there.
  • We just had one happen in the town I used to live in at a damn Marshalls of all places.
    bedroom linens are getting out of control expensive, you know. 
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,033
    We just had one happen in the town I used to live in at a damn Marshalls of all places.
    bedroom linens are getting out of control expensive, you know. 

    Haha!
    I was just thinking, what the hell would someone risk getting arrested for that would lead them to robbing a fricking Marshall's of all places?  Maybe they though they were going to score some amps?
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  • dankinddankind Posts: 20,839
    brianlux said:
    We just had one happen in the town I used to live in at a damn Marshalls of all places.
    bedroom linens are getting out of control expensive, you know. 

    Haha!
    I was just thinking, what the hell would someone risk getting arrested for that would lead them to robbing a fricking Marshall's of all places?  Maybe they though they were going to score some amps?
    Haha! When I was a kid, my buddies and I stole from freaking Kmart, man.

    We also used to take trips to the mall every weekend and have a contest on who could steal the most shit. 

    We had four area malls, so we could rotate as we got bored as well.

    We kept none to very little of of our haul. It was just for kicks. I mean, we had to ditch it. How would we explain to our parents huge shopping bags filled with merchandise they know we had no means to pay for?

    I'm not proud of it or anything; it was just something to do while we waited for our drug dealer to show up.

    At any rate, I'm wondering if some of these incidents are the same -- that is to say, basically driven more by peer pressure and crushing ennui than any real malice.

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  • We just had one happen in the town I used to live in at a damn Marshalls of all places.
    I guess the TJ Maxx had too good of security in place to try to pull it there.
    My only guess is it's a copy cat crime.  It's a very safe town to live in so no one is expecting it.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,033
    dankind said:
    brianlux said:
    We just had one happen in the town I used to live in at a damn Marshalls of all places.
    bedroom linens are getting out of control expensive, you know. 

    Haha!
    I was just thinking, what the hell would someone risk getting arrested for that would lead them to robbing a fricking Marshall's of all places?  Maybe they though they were going to score some amps?
    Haha! When I was a kid, my buddies and I stole from freaking Kmart, man.

    We also used to take trips to the mall every weekend and have a contest on who could steal the most shit. 

    We had four area malls, so we could rotate as we got bored as well.

    We kept none to very little of of our haul. It was just for kicks. I mean, we had to ditch it. How would we explain to our parents huge shopping bags filled with merchandise they know we had no means to pay for?

    I'm not proud of it or anything; it was just something to do while we waited for our drug dealer to show up.

    At any rate, I'm wondering if some of these incidents are the same -- that is to say, basically driven more by peer pressure and crushing ennui than any real malice.


    I can only confess to the one theft I've committed in my life:  theft of cardboard. 
    When I was in my early 20's, a friend of mine said we should take the cardboard from behind the local grocery store and take it in to the recycle center for cash.  He noticed I had a trailer hitch on my car and that we could hook up his small flatbed trailer and go load it up.  He suggested we go after hours so as "not to get in the way of the store workers". 
    It all sounded harmless enough, so I said OK.  We loaded up the cardboard and took it to the recycle center and got something like $20 bucks for it- not bad money back then.
    A few days later I got a call of the Sheriff's office- from a detective, no less.  I had to go in and talk to this detective and was told that the guy at the recycle center had taken down my license plate number and called it in.  I had to go to court and stand before a judge and explain my stupid ass naive actions.  The judge gave me a $40 fine and told me that because I had been truthful about what I did, he would not put the incident on my record.  I'm guessing he thought it would be pretty lame to give a first time offender kid a record for stealing some fucking cardboard. :lol:

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  • brianlux said:
    dankind said:
    brianlux said:
    We just had one happen in the town I used to live in at a damn Marshalls of all places.
    bedroom linens are getting out of control expensive, you know. 

    Haha!
    I was just thinking, what the hell would someone risk getting arrested for that would lead them to robbing a fricking Marshall's of all places?  Maybe they though they were going to score some amps?
    Haha! When I was a kid, my buddies and I stole from freaking Kmart, man.

    We also used to take trips to the mall every weekend and have a contest on who could steal the most shit. 

    We had four area malls, so we could rotate as we got bored as well.

    We kept none to very little of of our haul. It was just for kicks. I mean, we had to ditch it. How would we explain to our parents huge shopping bags filled with merchandise they know we had no means to pay for?

    I'm not proud of it or anything; it was just something to do while we waited for our drug dealer to show up.

    At any rate, I'm wondering if some of these incidents are the same -- that is to say, basically driven more by peer pressure and crushing ennui than any real malice.


    I can only confess to the one theft I've committed in my life:  theft of cardboard. 
    When I was in my early 20's, a friend of mine said we should take the cardboard from behind the local grocery store and take it in to the recycle center for cash.  He noticed I had a trailer hitch on my car and that we could hook up his small flatbed trailer and go load it up.  He suggested we go after hours so as "not to get in the way of the store workers". 
    It all sounded harmless enough, so I said OK.  We loaded up the cardboard and took it to the recycle center and got something like $20 bucks for it- not bad money back then.
    A few days later I got a call of the Sheriff's office- from a detective, no less.  I had to go in and talk to this detective and was told that the guy at the recycle center had taken down my license plate number and called it in.  I had to go to court and stand before a judge and explain my stupid ass naive actions.  The judge gave me a $40 fine and told me that because I had been truthful about what I did, he would not put the incident on my record.  I'm guessing he thought it would be pretty lame to give a first time offender kid a record for stealing some fucking cardboard. :lol:

    Well, Mr. Lux, at least you didn’t throw it down an embankment, making two piles of garbage, and have to sit on a bench where everyone else sitting on the bench moved away from you when you told them you were in there for littering.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,033
    brianlux said:
    dankind said:
    brianlux said:
    We just had one happen in the town I used to live in at a damn Marshalls of all places.
    bedroom linens are getting out of control expensive, you know. 

    Haha!
    I was just thinking, what the hell would someone risk getting arrested for that would lead them to robbing a fricking Marshall's of all places?  Maybe they though they were going to score some amps?
    Haha! When I was a kid, my buddies and I stole from freaking Kmart, man.

    We also used to take trips to the mall every weekend and have a contest on who could steal the most shit. 

    We had four area malls, so we could rotate as we got bored as well.

    We kept none to very little of of our haul. It was just for kicks. I mean, we had to ditch it. How would we explain to our parents huge shopping bags filled with merchandise they know we had no means to pay for?

    I'm not proud of it or anything; it was just something to do while we waited for our drug dealer to show up.

    At any rate, I'm wondering if some of these incidents are the same -- that is to say, basically driven more by peer pressure and crushing ennui than any real malice.


    I can only confess to the one theft I've committed in my life:  theft of cardboard. 
    When I was in my early 20's, a friend of mine said we should take the cardboard from behind the local grocery store and take it in to the recycle center for cash.  He noticed I had a trailer hitch on my car and that we could hook up his small flatbed trailer and go load it up.  He suggested we go after hours so as "not to get in the way of the store workers". 
    It all sounded harmless enough, so I said OK.  We loaded up the cardboard and took it to the recycle center and got something like $20 bucks for it- not bad money back then.
    A few days later I got a call of the Sheriff's office- from a detective, no less.  I had to go in and talk to this detective and was told that the guy at the recycle center had taken down my license plate number and called it in.  I had to go to court and stand before a judge and explain my stupid ass naive actions.  The judge gave me a $40 fine and told me that because I had been truthful about what I did, he would not put the incident on my record.  I'm guessing he thought it would be pretty lame to give a first time offender kid a record for stealing some fucking cardboard. :lol:

    Well, Mr. Lux, at least you didn’t throw it down an embankment, making two piles of garbage, and have to sit on a bench where everyone else sitting on the bench moved away from you when you told them you were in there for littering.

    LOL, yeah, that would be a bit embarrassing.  The weird thing about this is that while I was waiting outside, a woman who I guess was court security or a bailiff or something tried very hard to convince me to plead "not guilty" saying there is no way they could prove I did anything wrong.  She had me really confused.  Was she right, or was she trying to set me up?  I opted to go with being honest and it paid off.  I think she was trying to set me up.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 36,982
    edited December 2021
    brianlux said:
    dankind said:
    brianlux said:
    We just had one happen in the town I used to live in at a damn Marshalls of all places.
    bedroom linens are getting out of control expensive, you know. 

    Haha!
    I was just thinking, what the hell would someone risk getting arrested for that would lead them to robbing a fricking Marshall's of all places?  Maybe they though they were going to score some amps?
    Haha! When I was a kid, my buddies and I stole from freaking Kmart, man.

    We also used to take trips to the mall every weekend and have a contest on who could steal the most shit. 

    We had four area malls, so we could rotate as we got bored as well.

    We kept none to very little of of our haul. It was just for kicks. I mean, we had to ditch it. How would we explain to our parents huge shopping bags filled with merchandise they know we had no means to pay for?

    I'm not proud of it or anything; it was just something to do while we waited for our drug dealer to show up.

    At any rate, I'm wondering if some of these incidents are the same -- that is to say, basically driven more by peer pressure and crushing ennui than any real malice.


    I can only confess to the one theft I've committed in my life:  theft of cardboard. 
    When I was in my early 20's, a friend of mine said we should take the cardboard from behind the local grocery store and take it in to the recycle center for cash.  He noticed I had a trailer hitch on my car and that we could hook up his small flatbed trailer and go load it up.  He suggested we go after hours so as "not to get in the way of the store workers". 
    It all sounded harmless enough, so I said OK.  We loaded up the cardboard and took it to the recycle center and got something like $20 bucks for it- not bad money back then.
    A few days later I got a call of the Sheriff's office- from a detective, no less.  I had to go in and talk to this detective and was told that the guy at the recycle center had taken down my license plate number and called it in.  I had to go to court and stand before a judge and explain my stupid ass naive actions.  The judge gave me a $40 fine and told me that because I had been truthful about what I did, he would not put the incident on my record.  I'm guessing he thought it would be pretty lame to give a first time offender kid a record for stealing some fucking cardboard. :lol:

    back in high school, a bunch of friends and I were walking home drunk after a party. we came across a 70's style van, so one idiot said "open it up!" so they did, and there was a bunch of lumber in there. So stupidly we grabbed some of the 2x4's and were doing our best Hacksaw Jim Duggan HOOOOOO as we drunkenly walked home. 

    As luck would have it, one of my sister's friends was driving home and witnessed us doing this. As more luck would have it, the van belonged to a friend's dad. My sister's friend told my sister the next week at school, who was more than eager to tell my parents. My brother urged my mom to call the cops on me (to scare me straight) but they didn't. I guess my sister's friend wasn't willing to go "on record" about it. Or wasn't 100% sure it was me/us. 

    Lumber. Nowadays might as well have been gold. 
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,033
    brianlux said:
    dankind said:
    brianlux said:
    We just had one happen in the town I used to live in at a damn Marshalls of all places.
    bedroom linens are getting out of control expensive, you know. 

    Haha!
    I was just thinking, what the hell would someone risk getting arrested for that would lead them to robbing a fricking Marshall's of all places?  Maybe they though they were going to score some amps?
    Haha! When I was a kid, my buddies and I stole from freaking Kmart, man.

    We also used to take trips to the mall every weekend and have a contest on who could steal the most shit. 

    We had four area malls, so we could rotate as we got bored as well.

    We kept none to very little of of our haul. It was just for kicks. I mean, we had to ditch it. How would we explain to our parents huge shopping bags filled with merchandise they know we had no means to pay for?

    I'm not proud of it or anything; it was just something to do while we waited for our drug dealer to show up.

    At any rate, I'm wondering if some of these incidents are the same -- that is to say, basically driven more by peer pressure and crushing ennui than any real malice.


    I can only confess to the one theft I've committed in my life:  theft of cardboard. 
    When I was in my early 20's, a friend of mine said we should take the cardboard from behind the local grocery store and take it in to the recycle center for cash.  He noticed I had a trailer hitch on my car and that we could hook up his small flatbed trailer and go load it up.  He suggested we go after hours so as "not to get in the way of the store workers". 
    It all sounded harmless enough, so I said OK.  We loaded up the cardboard and took it to the recycle center and got something like $20 bucks for it- not bad money back then.
    A few days later I got a call of the Sheriff's office- from a detective, no less.  I had to go in and talk to this detective and was told that the guy at the recycle center had taken down my license plate number and called it in.  I had to go to court and stand before a judge and explain my stupid ass naive actions.  The judge gave me a $40 fine and told me that because I had been truthful about what I did, he would not put the incident on my record.  I'm guessing he thought it would be pretty lame to give a first time offender kid a record for stealing some fucking cardboard. :lol:

    back in high school, a bunch of friends and I were walking home drunk after a party. we came across a 70's style van, so one idiot said "open it up!" so they did, and there was a bunch of lumber in there. So stupidly we grabbed some of the 2x4's and were doing our best Hacksaw Jim Duggan HOOOOOO as we drunkenly walked home. 

    As luck would have it, one of my sister's friends was driving home and witnessed us doing this. As more luck would have it, the van belonged to a friend's dad. My sister's friend told my sister the next week at school, who was more than eager to tell my parents. My brother urged my mom to call the cops on me (to scare me straight) but they didn't. I guess my sister's friend wasn't willing to go "on record" about it. Or wasn't 100% sure it was me/us. 

    Lumber. Nowadays might as well have been gold. 

    Stealing lumber could get you life these days.  :lol:
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,033

    $21,130 U.S., $26,972 Canadian. 
    Still, a lotta potato!
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  • SpunkieSpunkie Posts: 6,672
    edited December 2021
    It's not LA, but likely due to macro-level societal breakdown.

  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    Society is not breaking down…crime has always existed…and always will.




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