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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,635
    cutz said:
    pjhawks said:
    The positive spin on the ticket prices is if you are really interested in going this will increase your chances of scoring tickets.   I don't really have a ton of interest in Ed solo and definitely not at these prices. My decision is really easy since he isn't coming to Philly.

    Philly to Newark on a Sunday is not a bad ride? 

    I'm not crazy about the 2 songs they've put out, so that right now is the main reason I'm leaning on not going.  But, who knows, I may change my mind.
    They will play more than 2 songs
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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,781
    mcgruff10 said:
    JimmyV said:
    I think many of you throughout these threads have made compelling arguments as to why these prices may not be as bad as they initially look, but there is no way I would ever pay these prices for Ed and his side band. It's not Pearl Jam. It's Ed and a lesser band. 
    The reality is that Ed is the band.  I ve seen pj minus Ed (totd) and it wasn’t nearly as good.  You put Ed with any group of musicians and it is going to be a great show. 
    Couldn't disagree more, Ed solo is fun, but for me his solo work pales in comparison to the songs he writes with Pearl Jam... not to mention the live experiences are night & day. Ed solo in the theaters is intimate & fun, but I would still take any PJ show over an Ed solo show 100 out of 100 times. (there's also something to be said about him sitting alone surrounded by guitars... personally I can't stand the RHCP, so I could care less about seeing him backed up by Chad Smith of Klinghoffer... to each his own) 

    Not to mention, TOTD in Philly was one of my favorite all time shows, so I guess we disagree on a lot here, which is fine.

    I'm not against paying $200+ post covid for musical acts I think are worth the price tag, so I don't think I'm out of touch with the times or reality of 2021... I just don't think Ed with this lineup supporting an album from which we've heard all of 2 songs (lakcluster ones at that IMO) is worth $240. It's possible the rest of the album kicks ass and I end up eating these words, but I'm reasonably confident this won't be the case. 
  • Cropduster-80
    Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    deweil said:
    I love that quote about $50 tickets...that's only $87 in 2021 money...so Eddie's REALLY changed his tune. 
    Now he's like, I only want to play for people who can afford $200 and forget about $6 in fees. Let's make it $40 (and FYI, the artist gets a cut of the fees too!)
    The payment landscape has changed as well as inflation.

    Most artists make a larger share of their money from touring today since album sales are a fraction of what they use to be.  To get a platinum album today even accounting for streaming is exceedingly rare 

    if hootie and the blowfish could sell 14 million records in the 90’s and Taylor Swift just gets over a million today it’s pretty clear that they need to make money from something other than off their recordings. 

     People are clearly spending less money on music today but more on concerts. It’s probably not that big of a difference then vs now on how much a person spends on their total music related expenditures. 

    I know I spend hundreds of dollars less per year on music than I did in the 90’s not even factoring inflation. As a college student I somehow spent well over 1k in early 2000’s dollars per year on CD’s I spend $120 per year today for all my music 

    people planning on going to 15 concerts a year are not the norm then or now. Those people probably are spending more today so I get why they are upset 
  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,635
    eddiec said:
    It's because we're old. We still remember when concerts were $20 to see a major act in a stadium.

    Someone mentioned this earlier- because of streaming, prices are only going to go up.

    Would you rather have:

    a) Still buy every CD you want to listen to for 10-15 a pop, and pay $100 for a concert ticket

    or

    b) Pay $10 a month and listen to everything, then shell out 200-250 every now and then for a concert

    I think you'll be financially better with b.


    But most artists who don't have a huge fanbase won't make any money with B.
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  • Long Red
    Long Red NY Posts: 185
    Thinking back on creating this thread yesterday, and I'm pretty sure I regret it. Lol ... it sucks getting old and not being able to afford my favorite activities like I was able to in my younger days, even though I have more money now. Aging...is the absolute worst, especially aging in this day and age.
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,116
    edited December 2021
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    JimmyV said:
    I think many of you throughout these threads have made compelling arguments as to why these prices may not be as bad as they initially look, but there is no way I would ever pay these prices for Ed and his side band. It's not Pearl Jam. It's Ed and a lesser band. 
    The reality is that Ed is the band.  I ve seen pj minus Ed (totd) and it wasn’t nearly as good.  
    Weird comparison. 
    Sorry if I wasn’t clear. I d rather see Ed with a backing band than Pearl Jam with another singer.  Totd was good but no where near pj.  
    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
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  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,460
    Long Red said:
    Thinking back on creating this thread yesterday, and I'm pretty sure I regret it. Lol ... it sucks getting old and not being able to afford my favorite activities like I was able to in my younger days, even though I have more money now. Aging...is the absolute worst, especially aging in this day and age.
    Yep, nice one dude! You win Thursday for sure! 
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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,076
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    JimmyV said:
    I think many of you throughout these threads have made compelling arguments as to why these prices may not be as bad as they initially look, but there is no way I would ever pay these prices for Ed and his side band. It's not Pearl Jam. It's Ed and a lesser band. 
    The reality is that Ed is the band.  I ve seen pj minus Ed (totd) and it wasn’t nearly as good.  
    Weird comparison. 
    Why?  I d rather see Ed with a backing band than Pearl Jam with another singer.  
    Id rather see Neil Jam than EV and the Earthlings and I would probably easily pay 250 or more per ticket.
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,635
    static111 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    JimmyV said:
    I think many of you throughout these threads have made compelling arguments as to why these prices may not be as bad as they initially look, but there is no way I would ever pay these prices for Ed and his side band. It's not Pearl Jam. It's Ed and a lesser band. 
    The reality is that Ed is the band.  I ve seen pj minus Ed (totd) and it wasn’t nearly as good.  
    Weird comparison. 
    Why?  I d rather see Ed with a backing band than Pearl Jam with another singer.  
    Id rather see Neil Jam than EV and the Earthlings and I would probably easily pay 250 or more per ticket.
    Well then it's not about the money
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    mcgruff10 said:
    JimmyV said:
    I think many of you throughout these threads have made compelling arguments as to why these prices may not be as bad as they initially look, but there is no way I would ever pay these prices for Ed and his side band. It's not Pearl Jam. It's Ed and a lesser band. 
    The reality is that Ed is the band.  I ve seen pj minus Ed (totd) and it wasn’t nearly as good.  You put Ed with any group of musicians and it is going to be a great show. 
    I do not agree. Ed on his own is great but it is a different thing. There is no Pearl Jam without Mike McCready's guitar, IMO. 

    I was not overly impressed by what I heard from the Earthlings at Ohana, but I've been blown away both by Pearl Jam and Ed solo. This tour isn't for me. 
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  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,460
    JimmyV said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    JimmyV said:
    I think many of you throughout these threads have made compelling arguments as to why these prices may not be as bad as they initially look, but there is no way I would ever pay these prices for Ed and his side band. It's not Pearl Jam. It's Ed and a lesser band. 
    The reality is that Ed is the band.  I ve seen pj minus Ed (totd) and it wasn’t nearly as good.  You put Ed with any group of musicians and it is going to be a great show. 
    I do not agree. Ed on his own is great but it is a different thing. There is no Pearl Jam without Mike McCready's guitar, IMO. 

    I was not overly impressed by what I heard from the Earthlings at Ohana, but I've been blown away both by Pearl Jam and Ed solo. This tour isn't for me. 
    Sounds like more cash for PJ, whenever they do decide to launch another tour! 
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  • foodshop65
    foodshop65 Connecticut Posts: 731
    hrd2imgn said:
    the going rate.....Ed used to fight this kind of insanity.  So now he is in the 1% group he rails against as if he is a man of the people.  He makes his concerts accessible to only those with a lot of cash.....amazing how age makes you what you once despised.

    Yep, well said. Those days are gone!
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan said:
    OceansJenny said:
    darthvedder said:
    Asking people to pay these types of prices while people are still holding on to tickets for a PJ tour that still hasn't been rescheduled yet...not cool.
    Clearly EV isn’t the hold up with COVID indoor venue concerns. It’s one of the other 4.
    Maybe mike since he has crohns? My bil has crohns also but he isn’t part of the immunocompromised whereas another friend of mine is
    Yeah, my co-worker's husband has it, and he is in the immunocrompromised group. He and his wife are VERY concerned for his well-being during COVID and have to be more careful than most.

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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,116
    JimmyV said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    JimmyV said:
    I think many of you throughout these threads have made compelling arguments as to why these prices may not be as bad as they initially look, but there is no way I would ever pay these prices for Ed and his side band. It's not Pearl Jam. It's Ed and a lesser band. 
    The reality is that Ed is the band.  I ve seen pj minus Ed (totd) and it wasn’t nearly as good.  You put Ed with any group of musicians and it is going to be a great show. 
    I do not agree. Ed on his own is great but it is a different thing. There is no Pearl Jam without Mike McCready's guitar, IMO. 

    I was not overly impressed by what I heard from the Earthlings at Ohana, but I've been blown away both by Pearl Jam and Ed solo. This tour isn't for me. 
    I understand what you are saying.  I won’t lose any sleep if I don’t get tickets to these shows.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    edited December 2021
    FWIW, I would pay $250 for a ticket, if only I was comfortable making international travel plans right now, and felt sure I wouldn't end up screwed because of new COVID restrictions by then. I'm jealous of all you complainers! :lol::wink:
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,116
    Now dynamic pricing is an example of capitalism sucking.  Tried getting Harry styles tickets for my daughter and face value $125 tickets went up to $975 before fees.  
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  • tdawe
    tdawe Posts: 2,091
    mcgruff10 said:
    Now dynamic pricing is an example of capitalism sucking.  Tried getting Harry styles tickets for my daughter and face value $125 tickets went up to $975 before fees.  
    Can’t put a price on your daughter’s love and gratitude. 
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,116
    tdawe said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Now dynamic pricing is an example of capitalism sucking.  Tried getting Harry styles tickets for my daughter and face value $125 tickets went up to $975 before fees.  
    Can’t put a price on your daughter’s love and gratitude. 
    Well I must not love her that much because she didn’t go to the show! ;)
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    mcgruff10 said:
    Now dynamic pricing is an example of capitalism sucking.  Tried getting Harry styles tickets for my daughter and face value $125 tickets went up to $975 before fees.  
    It's just market economy. 

    You sound like a commie.
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,116
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Now dynamic pricing is an example of capitalism sucking.  Tried getting Harry styles tickets for my daughter and face value $125 tickets went up to $975 before fees.  
    It's just market economy. 

    You sound like a commie.
    Nah, I just hate that Ticketmaster is also stubhub.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......

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