Capitalism Sucks.

2-feign-reluctance

mcgruff10 said:

apirk72 said:

That all makes sense demitris but 26 years ago he spoke out against high ticket prices and we have to hold musicians to their words, no matter what changes in their industry.  You? Me? Politicians? Nah but musicians yes.
I am still not over Ian taking prices off the Dischord record covers, what a sellout.

26 years ago I swore that I was marrying my high school sweetheart.  Point being, 26 years is an eternity, people change.  

Dude, mic drop right here. *Do people still use that term? 

bbiggs

mcgruff10 said:

apirk72 said:

That all makes sense demitris but 26 years ago he spoke out against high ticket prices and we have to hold musicians to their words, no matter what changes in their industry.  You? Me? Politicians? Nah but musicians yes.
I am still not over Ian taking prices off the Dischord record covers, what a sellout.

26 years ago I swore that I was marrying my high school sweetheart.  Point being, 26 years is an eternity, people change.  

Agree fully.  I couldn't care less about what someone said 3 decades ago.  On the flip side, this is also a guy that to this day writes songs and talks frequently about greed, "The Haves" and the like.  Something is just a bit off.  These ticket prices are high, but I'm not concerned about what 30 year old Ed said by any means, and I'm certainly not ignorant enough to think this is not a business first.  I still may go.  Just think it's a lot of dough when I can see PJ for half the price, who is light years ahead of EV and the Earthlings for my money.

parintachin73

$250 a ticket is very disappointing imo. I’m a NYer and I can attest to NY being crazy expensive but it’s still a LOT of money for a ticket. Nevertheless I haven’t been to a PJ related show since Fenway ‘18 so I’ll be trying for tickets one way or the other. Good on 10C for finally allowing single tickets because at that price I may very well have to go solo. The wife already gave me “the look” when I told her about the price.

TC282314

Everyone wants to see Ed or PJ in a small venue. These are small venue prices. 

RD81760

The "lower" priced ticked with fees is $216 I dont disagree that is high, but I went out to dinner with my wife for $205 at a local restaurant with 3 drinks . Its entertainment for about 2 hour... if its not your cup of tea I get... it but all the complaining, sheesh

Ledbetterman10

mcgruff10 said:

apirk72 said:

That all makes sense demitris but 26 years ago he spoke out against high ticket prices and we have to hold musicians to their words, no matter what changes in their industry.  You? Me? Politicians? Nah but musicians yes.
I am still not over Ian taking prices off the Dischord record covers, what a sellout.

26 years ago I swore that I was marrying my high school sweetheart.  Point being, 26 years is an eternity, people change.  

Yeah people change. But isn't this changing for the worse? Eddie seems to have gone from "I want to share my music with everyone at an affordable price" to "I can take these idiots for all they're worth." 

I posted this in the EV solo tour thread. But it's worth repeating. Here's Ed in Spin Magazine in 1995 talking about how it's a "frightening thought" to change your audience by overpricing. 




In that same interview, he criticizes the band "Spin Doctors" for having their tour sponsored by VANS. Remember the giant Verizon screens for PJ's 2008 tour? Or Backspacer being exclusive to Target stores? I guess when your records are flying off the shelves like they were in 1995, you can look down your nose at lesser bands looking for ways to make some money. 

parintachin73

Just to note, I tried looking at my order history to see how much 2 tix yo EV in NYC were last time I saw him in ‘08. Unfortunately my order history stops in 2013, probably when they updated. But I did see that in 2018, 2 tickets to BOTH shows at Fenway was less than a pair of tickets to a single EV show. $494 for 4 tickets to a 3hr+ PJ show.  I understand less dates, smaller venue, inflation, etc, but that’s still nuts imo

TC282314

Fenway brings in almost 5million at $125 a ticket. Beacon theater brings in like 700k at $250 a ticket. Then everyone else gets their piece. It’s where we are. 

Ledbetterman10

parintachin73 said:

Just to note, I tried looking at my order history to see how much 2 tix yo EV in NYC were last time I saw him in ‘08. Unfortunately my order history stops in 2013, probably when they updated. But I did see that in 2018, 2 tickets to BOTH shows at Fenway was less than a pair of tickets to a single EV show. $494 for 4 tickets to a 3hr+ PJ show.  I understand less dates, smaller venue, inflation, etc, but that’s still nuts imo

I don't understand those things I bolded. Nick Mason of Pink Floyd is playing the Beacon Theatre in New York as well (in January). You can get tickets as low as $66. Listen to his Live At The Roadhouse live album. He has a terrific band and better catalog of songs (in my opinion) than whatever the "Earthlings" will be playing. So why is Eddie's show $200 more than Mason's? You can say that Eddie is a front man, and Mason is a drummer, so there will be more demand for Eddie. But as far as venue size and inflation goes, there's no reason Eddie needs to charge so much more. He wants to...but he doesn't need to. 

PJammin

Eddie is giving us first shot at the best seats in the house for $200. The absolute best seats available for $200!!! If you look at the price chart there are two additional color coded seat sections. I can only surmise that those sections will be cheaper. I would even venture to guess some would be significantly cheaper than $200. I spent some time on the Auditorium Theater and Ticketmaster sites yesterday just looking at prices for shows at these venues and this is what the going price is for a show for damn near every performance there. It sucks but it is. It's $219 for a pit tickets to watch Shin Lim do card tricks. You want to catch String Cheese Incident (personally I'd rather slam my junk in a car door), it's $100+ to sit in the balcony. It sucks that it's this expensive....but it is. I'm with ya Biggs, there is definitely a value component in play here knowing we've got full band shows for half the price in our back pockets. I don't think you'll find me dropping that kind of money on a school night in February but holding out hope those cheaper tickets make this a more viable option to consider. 

mcgruff10

Just another point, I would be extremely pissed if pj tickets were this much because like many of you I try to go to multiple shows to see different songs and set-lists.  I m thinking with Ed and the earthlings that seeing one show will be sufficient.  

TC282314

mcgruff10 said:

Just another point, I would be extremely pissed if pj tickets were this much because like many of you I try to go to multiple shows to see different songs and set-lists.  I m thinking with Ed and the earthlings that seeing one show will be sufficient.  

Agree 100%. Once is enough. Setlist will be almost identical I’d imagine unlike Pearl Jam. I can’t see PJ jumping to $250 a ticket at say Fenway that seats 35k more

Merkin Baller

Ledbetterman10 said:

mcgruff10 said:

apirk72 said:

That all makes sense demitris but 26 years ago he spoke out against high ticket prices and we have to hold musicians to their words, no matter what changes in their industry.  You? Me? Politicians? Nah but musicians yes.
I am still not over Ian taking prices off the Dischord record covers, what a sellout.

26 years ago I swore that I was marrying my high school sweetheart.  Point being, 26 years is an eternity, people change.  

Yeah people change. But isn't this changing for the worse? Eddie seems to have gone from "I want to share my music with everyone at an affordable price" to "I can take these idiots for all they're worth." 

I posted this in the EV solo tour thread. But it's worth repeating. Here's Ed in Spin Magazine in 1995 talking about how it's a "frightening thought" to change your audience by overpricing. 




In that same interview, he criticizes the band "Spin Doctors" for having their tour sponsored by VANS. Remember the giant Verizon screens for PJ's 2008 tour? Or Backspacer being exclusive to Target stores? I guess when your records are flying off the shelves like they were in 1995, you can look down your nose at lesser bands looking for ways to make some money. 

I can give him a certain amount of slack for things he said 25 or so years ago, especially considering how different the industry / business model has been these last 20 years, even before COVID... 

But charging these prices on the heels of releasing "The Haves" is a bit much. 

GlowGirl

Ledbetterman10 said:

parintachin73 said:

Just to note, I tried looking at my order history to see how much 2 tix yo EV in NYC were last time I saw him in ‘08. Unfortunately my order history stops in 2013, probably when they updated. But I did see that in 2018, 2 tickets to BOTH shows at Fenway was less than a pair of tickets to a single EV show. $494 for 4 tickets to a 3hr+ PJ show.  I understand less dates, smaller venue, inflation, etc, but that’s still nuts imo

I don't understand those things I bolded. Nick Mason of Pink Floyd is playing the Beacon Theatre in New York as well (in January). You can get tickets as low as $66. Listen to his Live At The Roadhouse live album. He has a terrific band and better catalog of songs (in my opinion) than whatever the "Earthlings" will be playing. So why is Eddie's show $200 more than Mason's? You can say that Eddie is a front man, and Mason is a drummer, so there will be more demand for Eddie. But as far as venue size and inflation goes, there's no reason Eddie needs to charge so much more. He wants to...but he doesn't need to. 

For Nick Mason, the orchestra seats at the Beacon are $151-$191. The $66 dollar tickets are in the upper balcony. I don't think those upper level seats are part of the 10C sale. Those cheaper seats will probably be available for the TM sale. I am not 100% sure, but that is what I think will be the case.

Ledbetterman10

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mcgruff10 said:

apirk72 said:

That all makes sense demitris but 26 years ago he spoke out against high ticket prices and we have to hold musicians to their words, no matter what changes in their industry.  You? Me? Politicians? Nah but musicians yes.
I am still not over Ian taking prices off the Dischord record covers, what a sellout.

26 years ago I swore that I was marrying my high school sweetheart.  Point being, 26 years is an eternity, people change.  

Yeah people change. But isn't this changing for the worse? Eddie seems to have gone from "I want to share my music with everyone at an affordable price" to "I can take these idiots for all they're worth." 

I posted this in the EV solo tour thread. But it's worth repeating. Here's Ed in Spin Magazine in 1995 talking about how it's a "frightening thought" to change your audience by overpricing. 




In that same interview, he criticizes the band "Spin Doctors" for having their tour sponsored by VANS. Remember the giant Verizon screens for PJ's 2008 tour? Or Backspacer being exclusive to Target stores? I guess when your records are flying off the shelves like they were in 1995, you can look down your nose at lesser bands looking for ways to make some money. 

I can give him a certain amount of slack for things he said 25 or so years ago, especially considering how different the industry / business model has been these last 20 years, even before COVID... 

But charging these prices on the heels of releasing "The Haves" is a bit much. 

He's said it best. "The haves have not a clue." 

CM189191

Ledbetterman10 said:

mcgruff10 said:

apirk72 said:

That all makes sense demitris but 26 years ago he spoke out against high ticket prices and we have to hold musicians to their words, no matter what changes in their industry.  You? Me? Politicians? Nah but musicians yes.
I am still not over Ian taking prices off the Dischord record covers, what a sellout.

26 years ago I swore that I was marrying my high school sweetheart.  Point being, 26 years is an eternity, people change.  

Yeah people change. But isn't this changing for the worse? Eddie seems to have gone from "I want to share my music with everyone at an affordable price" to "I can take these idiots for all they're worth." 

I posted this in the EV solo tour thread. But it's worth repeating. Here's Ed in Spin Magazine in 1995 talking about how it's a "frightening thought" to change your audience by overpricing. 




In that same interview, he criticizes the band "Spin Doctors" for having their tour sponsored by VANS. Remember the giant Verizon screens for PJ's 2008 tour? Or Backspacer being exclusive to Target stores? I guess when your records are flying off the shelves like they were in 1995, you can look down your nose at lesser bands looking for ways to make some money. 

Here's the full paragraph - your snippit is a little misleading

"Back when we were on tour last spring, we asked everybody to take a cut [in profits]—we were taking a cut, and we said if we’re gonna work with you, you have to do the same, because we’re not going to take as much money from our fans as everyone would like. Ticketmaster didn’t want to take a cut. We felt the service charge they were asking for was disproportionate to the ticket price we were offering. If you have a $55 Rolling Stones ticket and there’s a $3 to $6 service charge, okay. But ours was an $18.50 ticket, and now all of a sudden it’s a $24.00 ticket. That’s not right. I just want people to be able to see our shows. It’s extremely important that it’s available to everyone, that if they’d like to attend they’re able to. Also, when you start having $50 tickets, all of a sudden you’re changing your audience. And that’s a frightening thought, playing only to people that can afford a $50 ticket."

MayDay10

It is what it is.  Either go or don't go.  I don't like those prices, and certainly extends me past the point of the old days where I would/could see 3-8 shows in an eastern leg...  If people are paying it, and the venues are selling out, who am I to criticize?  If it were me, I would be trying to make money to set up my wife and kids (and kids' kids).  
Everything is more expensive.  There is a crew.  Band members, limited number of shows, smaller venues, and all that.  My experience with EV solo shows is that it is an extremely intimate and memorable event that I would pay a premium for.

I'm no apologist.  I have been critical for different things.  I'm not going to fault ticket prices though.  Being a 40-some year old professional... smack in their demographic.... I can easily afford a $250 ticket if Im so inclined.  If it is a 'cheap' ticket, it is just subsidizing me.

Now, not sure if there was an option, but with the expensive tickets, it would be nice if there were a single-ticket option.  $500 for a couple kind of hurts, especially if your spouse isnt that into it, and you dont have any friends who would happily fork over $250 for a ticket for this.

igotid88

Who's to say he didn't negotiate the price down from what it could've been? Everyone always thinks the worse. Especially from a band you supposedly love.

arq

The price of the tickets shows Capitalism always win, there isn't a better capitalist than a socialist defending their own money, also1990's Eddie is not today's Eddie, let it be is not a necessity. 

prl

dimitrispearljam said:

apirk72 said:

That all makes sense demitris but 26 years ago he spoke out against high ticket prices and we have to hold musicians to their words, no matter what changes in their industry.  You? Me? Politicians? Nah but musicians yes.
I am still not over Ian taking prices off the Dischord record covers, what a sellout.

 i wrote down number so u understand...
for the show in NY...ticketmaster get 100.000 for fees!!!do u realise the number?
if for one night ,,they get 100.000...cos they are the online ticket ventor  to buy tix,,
so if ticketmaster gets that money for one night...how much the artist,his band ,his crew and all those people should get paid ?its crazy when u put number down 

You make it sound like Ed's not making money at all in the end

I understand what you said, but there are probably things he can do to aliviate the end price: not work with Ticketmaster, play bigger venues to acomodate more people, play more shows, play alternate venues that are not tied to specific vendors and are less expensive, hey, even make less money himself.

I know nothing about the business so I'm most likely wrong, but as a long time fan this just doesn't feel right. I can't even imagine to what values the "dynamic pricing" is going to lead up to.