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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 26,702
    Just another point, I would be extremely pissed if pj tickets were this much because like many of you I try to go to multiple shows to see different songs and set-lists.  I m thinking with Ed and the earthlings that seeing one show will be sufficient.  
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  • TC282314TC282314 Posts: 358
    mcgruff10 said:
    Just another point, I would be extremely pissed if pj tickets were this much because like many of you I try to go to multiple shows to see different songs and set-lists.  I m thinking with Ed and the earthlings that seeing one show will be sufficient.  
    Agree 100%. Once is enough. Setlist will be almost identical I’d imagine unlike Pearl Jam. I can’t see PJ jumping to $250 a ticket at say Fenway that seats 35k more
  • mcgruff10 said:
    apirk72 said:
    That all makes sense demitris but 26 years ago he spoke out against high ticket prices and we have to hold musicians to their words, no matter what changes in their industry.  You? Me? Politicians? Nah but musicians yes.
    I am still not over Ian taking prices off the Dischord record covers, what a sellout.
    26 years ago I swore that I was marrying my high school sweetheart.  Point being, 26 years is an eternity, people change.  
    Yeah people change. But isn't this changing for the worse? Eddie seems to have gone from "I want to share my music with everyone at an affordable price" to "I can take these idiots for all they're worth." 

    I posted this in the EV solo tour thread. But it's worth repeating. Here's Ed in Spin Magazine in 1995 talking about how it's a "frightening thought" to change your audience by overpricing. 




    In that same interview, he criticizes the band "Spin Doctors" for having their tour sponsored by VANS. Remember the giant Verizon screens for PJ's 2008 tour? Or Backspacer being exclusive to Target stores? I guess when your records are flying off the shelves like they were in 1995, you can look down your nose at lesser bands looking for ways to make some money. 
    I can give him a certain amount of slack for things he said 25 or so years ago, especially considering how different the industry / business model has been these last 20 years, even before COVID... 

    But charging these prices on the heels of releasing "The Haves" is a bit much. 
  • GlowGirlGlowGirl New York, NYPosts: 6,227
    Just to note, I tried looking at my order history to see how much 2 tix yo EV in NYC were last time I saw him in ‘08. Unfortunately my order history stops in 2013, probably when they updated. But I did see that in 2018, 2 tickets to BOTH shows at Fenway was less than a pair of tickets to a single EV show. $494 for 4 tickets to a 3hr+ PJ show.  I understand less dates, smaller venue, inflation, etc, but that’s still nuts imo
    I don't understand those things I bolded. Nick Mason of Pink Floyd is playing the Beacon Theatre in New York as well (in January). You can get tickets as low as $66. Listen to his Live At The Roadhouse live album. He has a terrific band and better catalog of songs (in my opinion) than whatever the "Earthlings" will be playing. So why is Eddie's show $200 more than Mason's? You can say that Eddie is a front man, and Mason is a drummer, so there will be more demand for Eddie. But as far as venue size and inflation goes, there's no reason Eddie needs to charge so much more. He wants to...but he doesn't need to. 
    For Nick Mason, the orchestra seats at the Beacon are $151-$191. The $66 dollar tickets are in the upper balcony. I don't think those upper level seats are part of the 10C sale. Those cheaper seats will probably be available for the TM sale. I am not 100% sure, but that is what I think will be the case.
  • mcgruff10 said:
    apirk72 said:
    That all makes sense demitris but 26 years ago he spoke out against high ticket prices and we have to hold musicians to their words, no matter what changes in their industry.  You? Me? Politicians? Nah but musicians yes.
    I am still not over Ian taking prices off the Dischord record covers, what a sellout.
    26 years ago I swore that I was marrying my high school sweetheart.  Point being, 26 years is an eternity, people change.  
    Yeah people change. But isn't this changing for the worse? Eddie seems to have gone from "I want to share my music with everyone at an affordable price" to "I can take these idiots for all they're worth." 

    I posted this in the EV solo tour thread. But it's worth repeating. Here's Ed in Spin Magazine in 1995 talking about how it's a "frightening thought" to change your audience by overpricing. 




    In that same interview, he criticizes the band "Spin Doctors" for having their tour sponsored by VANS. Remember the giant Verizon screens for PJ's 2008 tour? Or Backspacer being exclusive to Target stores? I guess when your records are flying off the shelves like they were in 1995, you can look down your nose at lesser bands looking for ways to make some money. 
    I can give him a certain amount of slack for things he said 25 or so years ago, especially considering how different the industry / business model has been these last 20 years, even before COVID... 

    But charging these prices on the heels of releasing "The Haves" is a bit much. 
    He's said it best. "The haves have not a clue." 
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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 6,536
    mcgruff10 said:
    apirk72 said:
    That all makes sense demitris but 26 years ago he spoke out against high ticket prices and we have to hold musicians to their words, no matter what changes in their industry.  You? Me? Politicians? Nah but musicians yes.
    I am still not over Ian taking prices off the Dischord record covers, what a sellout.
    26 years ago I swore that I was marrying my high school sweetheart.  Point being, 26 years is an eternity, people change.  
    Yeah people change. But isn't this changing for the worse? Eddie seems to have gone from "I want to share my music with everyone at an affordable price" to "I can take these idiots for all they're worth." 

    I posted this in the EV solo tour thread. But it's worth repeating. Here's Ed in Spin Magazine in 1995 talking about how it's a "frightening thought" to change your audience by overpricing. 




    In that same interview, he criticizes the band "Spin Doctors" for having their tour sponsored by VANS. Remember the giant Verizon screens for PJ's 2008 tour? Or Backspacer being exclusive to Target stores? I guess when your records are flying off the shelves like they were in 1995, you can look down your nose at lesser bands looking for ways to make some money. 


    Here's the full paragraph - your snippit is a little misleading

    "Back when we were on tour last spring, we asked everybody to take a cut [in profits]—we were taking a cut, and we said if we’re gonna work with you, you have to do the same, because we’re not going to take as much money from our fans as everyone would like. Ticketmaster didn’t want to take a cut. We felt the service charge they were asking for was disproportionate to the ticket price we were offering. If you have a $55 Rolling Stones ticket and there’s a $3 to $6 service charge, okay. But ours was an $18.50 ticket, and now all of a sudden it’s a $24.00 ticket. That’s not right. I just want people to be able to see our shows. It’s extremely important that it’s available to everyone, that if they’d like to attend they’re able to. Also, when you start having $50 tickets, all of a sudden you’re changing your audience. And that’s a frightening thought, playing only to people that can afford a $50 ticket."
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  • MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 11,292
    It is what it is.  Either go or don't go.  I don't like those prices, and certainly extends me past the point of the old days where I would/could see 3-8 shows in an eastern leg...  If people are paying it, and the venues are selling out, who am I to criticize?  If it were me, I would be trying to make money to set up my wife and kids (and kids' kids).  
    Everything is more expensive.  There is a crew.  Band members, limited number of shows, smaller venues, and all that.  My experience with EV solo shows is that it is an extremely intimate and memorable event that I would pay a premium for.

    I'm no apologist.  I have been critical for different things.  I'm not going to fault ticket prices though.  Being a 40-some year old professional... smack in their demographic.... I can easily afford a $250 ticket if Im so inclined.  If it is a 'cheap' ticket, it is just subsidizing me.

    Now, not sure if there was an option, but with the expensive tickets, it would be nice if there were a single-ticket option.  $500 for a couple kind of hurts, especially if your spouse isnt that into it, and you dont have any friends who would happily fork over $250 for a ticket for this.
  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 23,708
    Who's to say he didn't negotiate the price down from what it could've been? Everyone always thinks the worse. Especially from a band you supposedly love.
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  • arqarq Posts: 7,866
    The price of the tickets shows Capitalism always win, there isn't a better capitalist than a socialist defending their own money, also1990's Eddie is not today's Eddie, let it be is not a necessity. 
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  • prlprl Posts: 123
    apirk72 said:
    That all makes sense demitris but 26 years ago he spoke out against high ticket prices and we have to hold musicians to their words, no matter what changes in their industry.  You? Me? Politicians? Nah but musicians yes.
    I am still not over Ian taking prices off the Dischord record covers, what a sellout.
     i wrote down number so u understand...
    for the show in NY...ticketmaster get 100.000 for fees!!!do u realise the number?
    if for one night ,,they get 100.000...cos they are the online ticket ventor  to buy tix,,
    so if ticketmaster gets that money for one night...how much the artist,his band ,his crew and all those people should get paid ?its crazy when u put number down 
    You make it sound like Ed's not making money at all in the end :)

    I understand what you said, but there are probably things he can do to aliviate the end price: not work with Ticketmaster, play bigger venues to acomodate more people, play more shows, play alternate venues that are not tied to specific vendors and are less expensive, hey, even make less money himself.

    I know nothing about the business so I'm most likely wrong, but as a long time fan this just doesn't feel right. I can't even imagine to what values the "dynamic pricing" is going to lead up to.
  • ZodZod Posts: 8,723
    prl said:
    apirk72 said:
    That all makes sense demitris but 26 years ago he spoke out against high ticket prices and we have to hold musicians to their words, no matter what changes in their industry.  You? Me? Politicians? Nah but musicians yes.
    I am still not over Ian taking prices off the Dischord record covers, what a sellout.
     i wrote down number so u understand...
    for the show in NY...ticketmaster get 100.000 for fees!!!do u realise the number?
    if for one night ,,they get 100.000...cos they are the online ticket ventor  to buy tix,,
    so if ticketmaster gets that money for one night...how much the artist,his band ,his crew and all those people should get paid ?its crazy when u put number down 
    You make it sound like Ed's not making money at all in the end :)

    I understand what you said, but there are probably things he can do to aliviate the end price: not work with Ticketmaster, play bigger venues to acomodate more people, play more shows, play alternate venues that are not tied to specific vendors and are less expensive, hey, even make less money himself.

    I know nothing about the business so I'm most likely wrong, but as a long time fan this just doesn't feel right. I can't even imagine to what values the "dynamic pricing" is going to lead up to.

    I think the ship has sailed on alternate venues.   Most venues of any reasonable size have exclusive ticketing contracts now.  PJ barely pulled it off in '95, and the venues they did use weren't regularly used, so they became responsible for planning and staffing those venues, which is a lot of work.  Now 26 years later I don't think those venues would be up for grabs.

    It's crazy that TM/LN haven't have monopoly proceedings again, because it's crazy.

    I do agree with the bigger venues.  If they need X amount of dollars to pay the band and crew, then a bigger venue (even with added cost) could scale down the ticket prices through quantity sold.

    I'm pretty sure playing theatre's doesn't meet demand.  Even at these prices tickets are going to be hard to come by.   I remember the only other time I saw Ed solo was in Vancouver around 2008.  It was crazy trying to get tickets.  Only managed to get a pair through the 10c for one of the two nights.  Ended up skipping night 2 :(   Vancouver is usually an easier market to get tickets than some of the big US cities, so that's a crazy level of demand.

    I dunno.  If $250 a ticket gets me in the door because people opted not to go I'll be happy.  If tickets had been $150 and more put in for them, and I missed out I'd be sad.
  • halvhalv Posts: 649
    I'm not willing to pay these kind of prices. For me it's just not worth it. Going back to club shows is just fine with me. Less expensive, closer to the band, and way better audiences. Even theatre shows for less popular bands is just as enjoyable. Saw the Cowboy Junkies in a gorgeous theatre last month and the ticket was $60 w/ fees. Amazing show. If Pearl Jam tickets end up being this price I probably won't go to those shows either. I'll be sad for sure, but there's plenty of great smaller bands out there to see.
    As George Harrison said "See you 'round the clubs". 
  • The vast majority of a 200 dollar ticket is a fixed cost.  The only fair complaint would be the cut at the very end EV would personally take as that could (possibly) be negotiable.

    EV could in theory do a show for free in a small theatre and a ticket could still cost $175 as no one else involved is going to do it for free

    how much money per show is fair for him to personally net? That’s a more fair discussion  vs how much a ticket costs 

    he may not even be allowed to do a tour and charge below market rates. If I was his agent or any other person representing him and my livelihood depended on a percentage of EV’s income to pay my salary I would probably cover myself from my client going rogue by making sure his performance fee was charged at appropriate market rates, contractually 


  • 2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USAPosts: 21,893
    The vast majority of a 200 dollar ticket is a fixed cost.  The only fair complaint would be the cut at the very end EV would personally take as that could (possibly) be negotiable.

    EV could in theory do a show for free in a small theatre and a ticket could still cost $175 as no one else involved is going to do it for free

    how much money per show is fair for him to personally net? That’s a more fair discussion  vs how much a ticket costs 

    he may not even be allowed to do a tour and charge below market rates. If I was his agent or any other person representing him and my livelihood depended on a percentage of EV’s income to pay my salary I would probably cover myself from my client going rogue by making sure his performance fee was charged at appropriate market rates, contractually 


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  • The vast majority of a 200 dollar ticket is a fixed cost.  The only fair complaint would be the cut at the very end EV would personally take as that could (possibly) be negotiable.

    EV could in theory do a show for free in a small theatre and a ticket could still cost $175 as no one else involved is going to do it for free

    how much money per show is fair for him to personally net? That’s a more fair discussion  vs how much a ticket costs 

    he may not even be allowed to do a tour and charge below market rates. If I was his agent or any other person representing him and my livelihood depended on a percentage of EV’s income to pay my salary I would probably cover myself from my client going rogue by making sure his performance fee was charged at appropriate market rates, contractually 


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  • capitalism doesn't suck, but it clearly doesn't work. All you united statesians  seem to forget that the federal reserve has flooded the market with billions of dollars, printed to prop up all the banks and keep the world economy going since the 2008 economic collapse. Now its coming back to bite with the highest inflation  in decades. europe is feeling the effects too. essentially the dollar is nigh on worthless and its going to get worse. for the conspiracy theorists out there this is part of the NWO's plan for the great reset. that along with the fake pandemic and forcing people into a cashless society are all leading to higher prices. 
  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 23,708
    If Pearl Jam came up with their own crypto. Would you use that to pay for tickets?
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  • RP112579RP112579 Tinley Park, ILPosts: 3,269

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  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 8,518
    Let’s not kid ourselves.  You guys will be spending more for the poster on eBay.  :lol:   

    If it fit my schedule I’d definitely go.  
    Members of Pearl Jam/Chili Peppers/Janes Addiction/Glen Hansard.  Not sure about Watt’s guitar abilities but he’s the guy everyone on Top 40 wants producing.  This is very much a supergroup playing theaters.  

    If you don’t like the price don’t go.  What’s the big deal?
  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 23,708
    edited December 2021
    If you want to complain about something. One thing I could understand is not having the 10c pre-sale the same time as the verified fan sale. I know many people who confused the two the last time
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 25,700
    static111 said:
    Asking people to pay these types of prices while people are still holding on to tickets for a PJ tour that still hasn't been rescheduled yet...not cool.
    Clearly EV isn’t the hold up with COVID indoor venue concerns. It’s one of the other 4.
    Stone lol
    I for one am glad they are not rushing to do indoor venues specially since anyone can get a vaccine card! The band wants to be sure the venues are equipped with digital scanning for Covid cards on your phones so the anti vaccine idiots can be weeded out, I say good on them I’ve been to two small venue shows this past summer both venues were scanning for Covid proof not asking for paper cards..
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 25,700
    mcgruff10 said:
    Just another point, I would be extremely pissed if pj tickets were this much because like many of you I try to go to multiple shows to see different songs and set-lists.  I m thinking with Ed and the earthlings that seeing one show will be sufficient.  
    lol yeah you know damn well if people can get tickets to every show of this solo tour they would go every single night! 
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  • Wanna know what also sucks? Entitlement. See a lot of that whenever shows are announced. Prices, tix, merch, etc etc. It’s a really gross side of being a fan of this band.
  • LukinFanLukinFan Florida Posts: 28,757
    If there was a show remotely close to me, I'd go. 
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    Wanna know what also sucks? Entitlement. See a lot of that whenever shows are announced. Prices, tix, merch, etc etc. It’s a really gross side of being a fan of this band.
    It's just a minority group of people on the board, but they are the ones who lay the biggest turds all us flies like to gather around! 
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  • igotid88 said:
    If Pearl Jam came up with their own crypto. Would you use that to pay for tickets?
    It’s actually a genius idea. NFTs? They got a built in crazy audience that buys ANYTHING with their name on it
  • igotid88 said:
    If Pearl Jam came up with their own crypto. Would you use that to pay for tickets?
    They went with vaults on vinyl instead.
    id rather just invest in all the vault 3’s 

    id turn in a vault 10 to the ten club for admission to a show.  
  • DM282158DM282158 Beverly, MAPosts: 448
    In the Build Back Better bill, there’s actually monies set aside to subsidize Eddie Vedder & The Earthlings ticket prices. 

    (I kid, I kid!! Too easy…). 
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  • eddieceddiec Posts: 3,695
    It's because we're old. We still remember when concerts were $20 to see a major act in a stadium.

    Someone mentioned this earlier- because of streaming, prices are only going to go up.

    Would you rather have:

    a) Still buy every CD you want to listen to for 10-15 a pop, and pay $100 for a concert ticket

    or

    b) Pay $10 a month and listen to everything, then shell out 200-250 every now and then for a concert

    I think you'll be financially better with b.


  • PP193448PP193448 HerePosts: 4,267
    Keep in mind that some of us are not corporate elites paying 5k+ to see private EV gig at some ultra rich person’s house.  So $250 doesn’t seem so bad, i guess….
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