Zod said:

We'd still have the crisis, but I think it's also apparent our health care system in Canada is kind of shitty compared to pretty much every other country with socialized health care.   We were already running at capacity (or often over it) before covid.   There's no buffer room for anything else really.  Anything causes a blip up on hospitalization/doctor stuff and we have no capacity for it.

I believe he was wrong saying covid19 wouldn't be a problem if we had more icu beds, it probably would be.  At the same time our health care system keeps coming up short.  No Doctors, mega lineups for walk in clinics, huge waits at emergency....   Rather then try to fix it, our governments keep finding new things to spend money on

I took it as “our healthcare system does not have built in capacity” to handle emergencies…and he’s right.  We also had 19 months to create more capacity…even if temporary.

you are right our system needs to become a priority by government…enough spending on pet projects…make health care a priority.  To get more doctors medical school needs more capacity, getting more nurses will not be easy…my sister in law is a retired nurse and has worked both the US and Canadian system and she would never work in our system…it never once entered her mind to go back during the pandemic…I live across from Detroit…thousands of Canadians work in Detroit area hospitals .

Don't gather for Thanksgiving, New Brunswick told, as COVID-19 surge strains province's health-care system

**EDIT** HAHA this post was in limbo since 2018 I think... saved in my Drafts... fuck that's funny. We were on about Omar Khadr for crying out loud! lol... I'm rarely on here anymore these days. Just signed on for the first time in a very long time and saw I had a Draft waiting to fly.... friggin let'r buck!!** Holy christ, I have 75 pages to read on this thread alone it looks. I tried posting this on Page 100 last year and well.... I work in the bush... shit doesn't always work well out here. But dammit, I'll tell you again... drilling for natural gas sure has it's benefits wouldn't ya say?!?! It's 2C outside... let that sink in. **

Spent the last two days reading this whole thread created by PJ_Soul.

Here's my truth:

I'm on a natural gas well, drilling for a substance that is used to heat our homes. We will frac this well.
I'm pro MJ legalization, mainly only because I want to see a fat return on my investment. I'm a capitalist. Never smoked the stuff, but I would if it were prescribed to me for pain, for example, providing it was recommended as my best medical choice.
I'm a gardener and have also spent time on the farm, running the combine, swather, harrower, discer etc.
I have spent time on several livestock farms, helping butcher pigs, collect eggs, feed animals, clean pens etc.
I'm a musician and I teach guitar lessons.
I'm a father and married to a smoke show (hey ohhhhhh, I said it. She's hot a fak and she hears it every day from me. It's how we do.)
I'm a listener. I really got a kick out of PJ_Soul, HughFreakinDillon, Thirty Bills Unpaid, dignin vs PJFanWillNeverLeave, 1Thoughtknown, polaris_x, lukin 2006. Pretty good mix of opinions.  I read how PJ_Soul is upset that she can't ignore people anymore on the TenClub forum. You really wanted to ignore some people on here, but because you can't, it's provided for a 62 page discussion.
I didn't get a kick out of name calling. PJ_Soul, you called people names the most and I took note of that. I've got your number. "snotty", "uppity", "petty", "insensitive" You are really good at manipulating too. A real crafty way of writing, in such a way that seems to protect yourself and your allies, but at the same time seems to insult the person whom you'd like to ignore but can't. You have it down to a science. If I'm going to call out anyone, might as well be the leader of the thread. I'll hold you accountable from time to time.  I never once thought about ignoring you or anyone in here.  Variety is the spice of life. Where we find variety in this thread is in everyone's replies. You made this bed, you can damn well sleep in it.
I think Kadhr is a terrorist
I think banning the breed (re: pitbulls) is wrong.
I don't think the pipeline will kill you.
Vince Li doesn't deserve to breathe among us after what he did.
Trudeau is painful to listen to.
I firmly believe in women's right to choose what happens to their bodies.
I advocate for all forms of love.
I think O'Leary would've been in over his head, but I loved his open letter. I think it was HFD that called him an asshole, which after reading the letter, all he wanted to do was liberate the eastern provinces resources; I'm all for the economic benefit and believe the risks to the environment, although real, are minimal. Unfortunate when they happen, but still worth it.  I hate oil spills and think we can keep extracting our resources.
Climate always changes. No, I don't think humans have as much effect on the climate as the majority so strongly believes. I acknowledge I am in the minority.  I studied with a climatologist in university whom has been traveling the world collecting ice core samples and core peat bog samples, studying the isotopes in the preserved gas bubbles. You've heard this before, and it's my stance: the Earth has seen much more drastic changes than what everyone is (I choose this word quickly but it works) freaking out about over the course of its history. I believe this too shall pass, even though as we go through it, the blame will be placed on humans, because we're ego maniacs and we love pointing the finger at people we think (choose) we hate.
Trudeau on pipelines: bring it on. We need more oil and gas. 
Solar, Wind, Algae, Carbon capture: all for it. Bring it on as well.
Taxes: I'm good with them. I hate paying them, but I accept the rates.
Canadian politics redux crew: I give the floor to you.

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Meltdown99 said:

How a failed deal with China to produce a made-in-Canada COVID-19 vaccine wasted months and millions

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/cansino-deal-canada-nrc-fifth-estate-1.6208241

Luttle things like this don’t matter to his cult…

KINSELLA: Will anyone in Trudeau's government go to jail?

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/kinsella-will-anyone-in-trudeaus-government-go-to-jail

Zod said:

Meltdown99 said:

KINSELLA: Will anyone in Trudeau's government go to jail?

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/kinsella-will-anyone-in-trudeaus-government-go-to-jail

umm.. what outcome was changed?

1) The Liberals make the deal, it doesn't work, we don't get the Chinese vaccine, and we rely on other avenues the Libs uses to procure vaccines

2) The Liberals don't make the deal, and we still rely on their other avenues for procuring the vaccine?

I suppose the only real alternative was if there were any other vaccine manufacturers that would of been willing (or have the ability) to help us build our own manufacturing program or sell us the rights to replicate their vaccine.

It's a lot of what if's.

I still think the Libs did a decent job at procuring vaccines.   They put in orders with lots of manufacturers, and attempted to work with a foreign manufacturer to make them domestically.  Sure they didn't all pan out, but we got vaccinated in a decent amount of time.   The redundancy the Libs purchased worked.

What would other people have done different?  Was there another company willing to do this that wouldn't of failed?  Probably not.  Well maybe the sputnik vaccine... lol.

This article conflates the idea of a  “made in Canada vaccine” with “acquisition of vaccines”, which is false. Yes, it’s true that we didn’t get a vaccine that might possibly have been developed from such a venture, but we got the mRNA vaccines earlier than most of the rest of the world, and earlier than we would have gotten a commercial Chinese vaccine. We potentially lost time in getting a domestic vaccine, not vaccines per se. 

And I haven’t looked it up recently but my memory is that no other companies wanted to partner for vaccine production in Canada, since we didn’t (don’t) have the capacity, so it’s not like we were turning down other offers. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOyHzeREL98

not too mention the delay cost lives and this is on trudope,,!!!!

We can find stupidity everywhere 
Pro sports are in full swing, essential?
All politicians are hypocrites,  nothing new there
Alberta MLA's were the worst for traveling during the pandemic 
Someday life must move on....