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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    jerparker20 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Cases are starting to peak, as the rate of increase has significantly slowed down, especially in the states where the current spike began, in western Missouri.

    All good news, but does this make any sense? It’s not like residents in the US are being cautious, or limiting indoor or stadium capacities, especially in the states with the highest per person case amounts. Delta is about twice as contagious as covid classic, so why wouldn’t the virus just keep peaking? I don’t think we have run out of unvaccinated people just yet?
    To steal a line from Game of Thrones:

    Winter is coming…

    This thing won’t finish running it’s course for a while.
    and with natural and vaccine immunity only lasting a few months, this could easily keep reinfecting the same people over and over again. 

    Also, school is just starting in a lot of places

    Kids are like little petri dishes
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    CM189191 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    jerparker20 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Cases are starting to peak, as the rate of increase has significantly slowed down, especially in the states where the current spike began, in western Missouri.

    All good news, but does this make any sense? It’s not like residents in the US are being cautious, or limiting indoor or stadium capacities, especially in the states with the highest per person case amounts. Delta is about twice as contagious as covid classic, so why wouldn’t the virus just keep peaking? I don’t think we have run out of unvaccinated people just yet?
    To steal a line from Game of Thrones:

    Winter is coming…

    This thing won’t finish running it’s course for a while.
    and with natural and vaccine immunity only lasting a few months, this could easily keep reinfecting the same people over and over again. 

    Also, school is just starting in a lot of places

    Kids are like little petri dishes
    oddly, throughout this pandemic, here at least, kids were the smallest group affected by covid. very very few infections in school when it was actually in session. we'll see with delta, I guess. thankfully both my kids are fully vaxxed. 
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  • dankind
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    dankind said:
    CM189191 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Texas school district temporarily closes after 2 teachers die of Covid-19 (nbcnews.com)
    FTFA: "It was not immediately known if either teacher was vaccinated."

    Narrator:  "They were, in fact, not vaccinated."

    Um, going by context, I'm guessing the FTFA used here is not the Urban Dictionary definition.
    I'm starting to think you peruse Urban Dictionary in your spare (all the) time. 
    It was a ways down in my Google search for FTFA. And I’ve actually never willingly visited UD; they’ve just got good algorithms for Google hits. 
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  • Bentleyspop
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    Oh well...




  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Bentleyspop said:
    Oh well...




    Maybe they could bake her a cake?
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Almost like clockwork

    Has the Delta-fueled Covid-19 surge in the U.S. finally peaked?
    The number of new daily U.S. cases has risen less over the past week than at any point since June, as you can see in this chart:

     

    The New York Times

    There is obviously no guarantee that the trend will continue. But there is one big reason to think that it may and that caseloads may even soon decline.

    Since the pandemic began, Covid has often followed a regular — if mysterious — cycle. In one country after another, the number of new cases has often surged for roughly two months before starting to fall. The Delta variant, despite its intense contagiousness, has followed this pattern.
    After Delta took hold last winter in India, caseloads there rose sharply for slightly more than two months before plummeting at a nearly identical rate. In Britain, caseloads rose for almost exactly two months before peaking in July. In Indonesia, Thailand, France, Spain and several other countries, the Delta surge also lasted somewhere between 1.5 and 2.5 months.

     

    * Between February and July 2021, depending on the country.The New York Times

    And in the U.S. states where Delta first caused caseloads to rise, the cycle already appears to be on its downside. Case numbers in Arkansas, Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi and Missouri peaked in early or mid-August and have since been falling:

     

    The New York Times

    Two possible stories

    We have asked experts about these two-month cycles, and they acknowledged that they could not explain it. “We still are really in the cave ages in terms of understanding how viruses emerge, how they spread, how they start and stop, why they do what they do,” Michael Osterholm, an epidemiologist at the University of Minnesota, said.
    But two broad categories of explanation seem plausible, the experts say.

    One involves the virus itself. Rather than spreading until it has reached every last person, perhaps it spreads in waves that happen to follow a similar timeline. How so? Some people may be especially susceptible to a variant like Delta, and once many of them have been exposed to it, the virus starts to recede — until a new variant causes the cycle to begin again (or until a population approaches herd immunity).
    The second plausible explanation involves human behavior. People don’t circulate randomly through the world. They live in social clusters, Jennifer Nuzzo, a Johns Hopkins epidemiologist, points out. Perhaps the virus needs about two months to circulate through a typically sized cluster, infecting the most susceptible — and a new wave starts when people break out of their clusters, such as during a holiday. Alternately, people may follow cycles of taking more and then fewer Covid precautions, depending on their level of concern.

    Whatever the reasons, the two-month cycle predated Delta. It has repeated itself several times in the U.S., including both last year and early this year, with the Alpha variant, which was centered in the upper Midwest:
     

    The New York Times


    What now?
    We want to emphasize that cases are not guaranteed to decline in coming weeks. There have been plenty of exceptions to the two-month cycle around the world. In Brazil, caseloads have followed no evident pattern. In Britain, cases did decline about two months after the Delta peak — but only for a couple of weeks. Since early August, cases there have been rising again, with the end of behavior restrictions likely playing a role. (If you haven’t yet read this Times dispatch about Britain’s willingness to accept rising caseloads, we recommend it.)

    In the U.S., the start of the school year could similarly spark outbreaks this month. The country will need to wait a few more weeks to know. In the meantime, one strategy continues to be more effective than any other in beating back the pandemic: “Vaccine, vaccine, vaccine,” as Osterholm says. Or as Nuzzo puts it, “Our top goal has to be first shots in arms.”
    The vaccine is so powerful because it keeps deaths and hospitalizations rare even during surges in caseloads. In Britain, the recent death count has been less than one-tenth what it was in January.

    In a few countries, vaccination rates have apparently risen high enough to break Covid’s usual two-month cycle: The virus evidently cannot find enough new people to infect. In both Malta and Singapore, this summer’s surge lasted only about two weeks before receding.
    More on the virus:

    • Two top F.D.A. vaccine regulators — upset by President Biden’s announcement that adults should get coronavirus vaccine boosters — will leave the agency.
    • A New Jersey woman who used the Instagram handle @AntiVaxMomma was charged with selling fake vaccine cards.
    • Tom Wolf, Pennsylvania’s Democratic governor, will require mask-wearing in schools.

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  • gimmesometruth27
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    Bentleyspop said:
    Oh well...





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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    fuck candace owens. I love how she always brings up that democrats were the racists a hundred years ago, knowing full well it was the conservative party at the time. FUCK YOU POS. 
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  • Merkin Baller
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    Bentleyspop said:
    Oh well...




    Thoughts & prayers. 
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    CM189191 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    jerparker20 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Cases are starting to peak, as the rate of increase has significantly slowed down, especially in the states where the current spike began, in western Missouri.

    All good news, but does this make any sense? It’s not like residents in the US are being cautious, or limiting indoor or stadium capacities, especially in the states with the highest per person case amounts. Delta is about twice as contagious as covid classic, so why wouldn’t the virus just keep peaking? I don’t think we have run out of unvaccinated people just yet?
    To steal a line from Game of Thrones:

    Winter is coming…

    This thing won’t finish running it’s course for a while.
    and with natural and vaccine immunity only lasting a few months, this could easily keep reinfecting the same people over and over again. 

    Also, school is just starting in a lot of places

    Kids are like little petri dishes
    oddly, throughout this pandemic, here at least, kids were the smallest group affected by covid. very very few infections in school when it was actually in session. we'll see with delta, I guess. thankfully both my kids are fully vaxxed. 

    From what I understand the Delta variant is not only more contagious all around, but affecting children much more.  

    My g/f is a teacher, and they are going back to school next week with nearly 0 preventative standards in place.  She teaches 6th grade, so nearly all of her students are unvaxxed.  It's going to be a clusterfuck in a couple weeks.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    CM189191 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    CM189191 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    jerparker20 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Cases are starting to peak, as the rate of increase has significantly slowed down, especially in the states where the current spike began, in western Missouri.

    All good news, but does this make any sense? It’s not like residents in the US are being cautious, or limiting indoor or stadium capacities, especially in the states with the highest per person case amounts. Delta is about twice as contagious as covid classic, so why wouldn’t the virus just keep peaking? I don’t think we have run out of unvaccinated people just yet?
    To steal a line from Game of Thrones:

    Winter is coming…

    This thing won’t finish running it’s course for a while.
    and with natural and vaccine immunity only lasting a few months, this could easily keep reinfecting the same people over and over again. 

    Also, school is just starting in a lot of places

    Kids are like little petri dishes
    oddly, throughout this pandemic, here at least, kids were the smallest group affected by covid. very very few infections in school when it was actually in session. we'll see with delta, I guess. thankfully both my kids are fully vaxxed. 

    From what I understand the Delta variant is not only more contagious all around, but affecting children much more.  

    My g/f is a teacher, and they are going back to school next week with nearly 0 preventative standards in place.  She teaches 6th grade, so nearly all of her students are unvaxxed.  It's going to be a clusterfuck in a couple weeks.
    from what I've read, we don't even really know what standards will be in place, and both my kids are back next week. all we know is masks are mandatory everywhere in schools for everyone, but we don't know about cohorting, activities, etc. 
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  • cincybearcat
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    CM189191 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    CM189191 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    jerparker20 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Cases are starting to peak, as the rate of increase has significantly slowed down, especially in the states where the current spike began, in western Missouri.

    All good news, but does this make any sense? It’s not like residents in the US are being cautious, or limiting indoor or stadium capacities, especially in the states with the highest per person case amounts. Delta is about twice as contagious as covid classic, so why wouldn’t the virus just keep peaking? I don’t think we have run out of unvaccinated people just yet?
    To steal a line from Game of Thrones:

    Winter is coming…

    This thing won’t finish running it’s course for a while.
    and with natural and vaccine immunity only lasting a few months, this could easily keep reinfecting the same people over and over again. 

    Also, school is just starting in a lot of places

    Kids are like little petri dishes
    oddly, throughout this pandemic, here at least, kids were the smallest group affected by covid. very very few infections in school when it was actually in session. we'll see with delta, I guess. thankfully both my kids are fully vaxxed. 

    From what I understand the Delta variant is not only more contagious all around, but affecting children much more.  

    My g/f is a teacher, and they are going back to school next week with nearly 0 preventative standards in place.  She teaches 6th grade, so nearly all of her students are unvaxxed.  It's going to be a clusterfuck in a couple weeks.
    from what I've read, we don't even really know what standards will be in place, and both my kids are back next week. all we know is masks are mandatory everywhere in schools for everyone, but we don't know about cohorting, activities, etc. 
    My daughter has been back in school for 3 weeks now.  She is >12 so she is vaccinated.  Luckily within our zip code 75% of people >12 are vaccinated (about 67% of those 12-18).  So it's likely that her high school has a high level of vacinnation.

    Waiting to see more data as it comes out.  There are only recommendations for masks in the high school.  I think only k-6 require masks. My daughter wears hers in the hall ways and some other situations, but has taken it off during classes some of the time.  They have changed the standards so that vaccinated or masked students that have a close contact do not need to quarantine.   I suppose we will see how everything shakes out.  Interested in more data becoming available.  School system did a nice job overall last year.  
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  • mrussel1
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    cincybearcat said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    CM189191 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    CM189191 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    jerparker20 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Cases are starting to peak, as the rate of increase has significantly slowed down, especially in the states where the current spike began, in western Missouri.

    All good news, but does this make any sense? It’s not like residents in the US are being cautious, or limiting indoor or stadium capacities, especially in the states with the highest per person case amounts. Delta is about twice as contagious as covid classic, so why wouldn’t the virus just keep peaking? I don’t think we have run out of unvaccinated people just yet?
    To steal a line from Game of Thrones:

    Winter is coming…

    This thing won’t finish running it’s course for a while.
    and with natural and vaccine immunity only lasting a few months, this could easily keep reinfecting the same people over and over again. 

    Also, school is just starting in a lot of places

    Kids are like little petri dishes
    oddly, throughout this pandemic, here at least, kids were the smallest group affected by covid. very very few infections in school when it was actually in session. we'll see with delta, I guess. thankfully both my kids are fully vaxxed. 

    From what I understand the Delta variant is not only more contagious all around, but affecting children much more.  

    My g/f is a teacher, and they are going back to school next week with nearly 0 preventative standards in place.  She teaches 6th grade, so nearly all of her students are unvaxxed.  It's going to be a clusterfuck in a couple weeks.
    from what I've read, we don't even really know what standards will be in place, and both my kids are back next week. all we know is masks are mandatory everywhere in schools for everyone, but we don't know about cohorting, activities, etc. 
    My daughter has been back in school for 3 weeks now.  She is >12 so she is vaccinated.  Luckily within our zip code 75% of people >12 are vaccinated (about 67% of those 12-18).  So it's likely that her high school has a high level of vacinnation.

    Waiting to see more data as it comes out.  There are only recommendations for masks in the high school.  I think only k-6 require masks. My daughter wears hers in the hall ways and some other situations, but has taken it off during classes some of the time.  They have changed the standards so that vaccinated or masked students that have a close contact do not need to quarantine.   I suppose we will see how everything shakes out.  Interested in more data becoming available.  School system did a nice job overall last year.  
    Here in metro Richmond, masks are required for classes.  When you go one county out, into the sticks, it's a total free for all.  
  • tempo_n_groove
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    I got my 2nd 5G/wi-fi shot yesterday and am feeling some effects from it I would guess.  Head feels like it's in a daze.  Other than that I'm ok.

    Hopefully this is gone by tomorrow.
  • Merkin Baller
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    I got my 2nd 5G/wi-fi shot yesterday and am feeling some effects from it I would guess.  Head feels like it's in a daze.  Other than that I'm ok.

    Hopefully this is gone by tomorrow.

    Besides my new found Magneto like powers, I was just achy & lethargic for a couple days after my 2nd shot. 

    It was a good excuse to ride the couch for the weekend, even if it wasn't completely necessary. 

    Hope your side effects pass quickly.
  • tempo_n_groove
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    Merkin Baller said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    I got my 2nd 5G/wi-fi shot yesterday and am feeling some effects from it I would guess.  Head feels like it's in a daze.  Other than that I'm ok.

    Hopefully this is gone by tomorrow.

    Besides my new found Magneto like powers, I was just achy & lethargic for a couple days after my 2nd shot. 

    It was a good excuse to ride the couch for the weekend, even if it wasn't completely necessary. 

    Hope your side effects pass quickly.
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  • mrussel1
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    This is normal, right?>  Bringing zip ties to schools to confront a female principal..

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-school-ordered-a-student-to-quarantine-his-dad-and-2-men-confronted-the-principal-with-zip-ties-official-says/ar-AAO3OTj
  • Bentleyspop
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    Merkin Baller said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    I got my 2nd 5G/wi-fi shot yesterday and am feeling some effects from it I would guess.  Head feels like it's in a daze.  Other than that I'm ok.

    Hopefully this is gone by tomorrow.

    Besides my new found Magneto like powers, I was just achy & lethargic for a couple days after my 2nd shot. 

    It was a good excuse to ride the couch for the weekend, even if it wasn't completely necessary. 

    Hope your side effects pass quickly.
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  • curmudgeoness
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    mrussel1 said:
    This is normal, right?>  Bringing zip ties to schools to confront a female principal..

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-school-ordered-a-student-to-quarantine-his-dad-and-2-men-confronted-the-principal-with-zip-ties-official-says/ar-AAO3OTj

    It seems to be the new normal. Again, how do you handle a minority faction that is acting like an overtired toddler? If we aren't comfortable out-crazying them (and I'm having more and more days where that feels appealing), how do we handle them?

    I'm not sure what happened, but we were traveling yesterday and when our flight landed four of San Diego's finest were waiting to handle "some issues" that arose in the back of the plane. Frankly I'm surprised that this was the first flight I've taken where that happened.
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  • mfc2006
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    curmudgeoness said:
    mrussel1 said:
    This is normal, right?>  Bringing zip ties to schools to confront a female principal..

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-school-ordered-a-student-to-quarantine-his-dad-and-2-men-confronted-the-principal-with-zip-ties-official-says/ar-AAO3OTj

    It seems to be the new normal. Again, how do you handle a minority faction that is acting like an overtired toddler? If we aren't comfortable out-crazying them (and I'm having more and more days where that feels appealing), how do we handle them?

    I'm not sure what happened, but we were traveling yesterday and when our flight landed four of San Diego's finest were waiting to handle "some issues" that arose in the back of the plane. Frankly I'm surprised that this was the first flight I've taken where that happened.
    Something needs to be done. Zip ties for a principal? Duct taping passengers on planes? Vaccine clinics not able to operate? It's all a complete shitshow & absolutely shocking and disgusting.
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