Viruses / Vaccines

HughFreakingDillon

mfc2006 said:

curmudgeoness said:

mrussel1 said:

This is normal, right?>  Bringing zip ties to schools to confront a female principal..

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-school-ordered-a-student-to-quarantine-his-dad-and-2-men-confronted-the-principal-with-zip-ties-official-says/ar-AAO3OTj

It seems to be the new normal. Again, how do you handle a minority faction that is acting like an overtired toddler? If we aren't comfortable out-crazying them (and I'm having more and more days where that feels appealing), how do we handle them?

I'm not sure what happened, but we were traveling yesterday and when our flight landed four of San Diego's finest were waiting to handle "some issues" that arose in the back of the plane. Frankly I'm surprised that this was the first flight I've taken where that happened.

Something needs to be done. Zip ties for a principal? Duct taping passengers on planes? Vaccine clinics not able to operate? It's all a complete shitshow & absolutely shocking and disgusting.

The duct taping of that passenger, in my mind, was kind of justified. these flight attendants are on their last rope. 

mfc2006

HughFreakingDillon said:

mfc2006 said:

curmudgeoness said:

mrussel1 said:

This is normal, right?>  Bringing zip ties to schools to confront a female principal..

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-school-ordered-a-student-to-quarantine-his-dad-and-2-men-confronted-the-principal-with-zip-ties-official-says/ar-AAO3OTj

It seems to be the new normal. Again, how do you handle a minority faction that is acting like an overtired toddler? If we aren't comfortable out-crazying them (and I'm having more and more days where that feels appealing), how do we handle them?

I'm not sure what happened, but we were traveling yesterday and when our flight landed four of San Diego's finest were waiting to handle "some issues" that arose in the back of the plane. Frankly I'm surprised that this was the first flight I've taken where that happened.

Something needs to be done. Zip ties for a principal? Duct taping passengers on planes? Vaccine clinics not able to operate? It's all a complete shitshow & absolutely shocking and disgusting.

The duct taping of that passenger, in my mind, was kind of justified. these flight attendants are on their last rope. 

It certainly was. Sorry---just got on a roll there. What I meant by that was we should all be responsible human beings that are looking out for each other by wearing masks and getting vaccinated. That idiot didn't give a damn about anyone but themselves.

HughFreakingDillon

mfc2006 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mfc2006 said:

curmudgeoness said:

mrussel1 said:

This is normal, right?>  Bringing zip ties to schools to confront a female principal..

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-school-ordered-a-student-to-quarantine-his-dad-and-2-men-confronted-the-principal-with-zip-ties-official-says/ar-AAO3OTj

It seems to be the new normal. Again, how do you handle a minority faction that is acting like an overtired toddler? If we aren't comfortable out-crazying them (and I'm having more and more days where that feels appealing), how do we handle them?

I'm not sure what happened, but we were traveling yesterday and when our flight landed four of San Diego's finest were waiting to handle "some issues" that arose in the back of the plane. Frankly I'm surprised that this was the first flight I've taken where that happened.

Something needs to be done. Zip ties for a principal? Duct taping passengers on planes? Vaccine clinics not able to operate? It's all a complete shitshow & absolutely shocking and disgusting.

The duct taping of that passenger, in my mind, was kind of justified. these flight attendants are on their last rope. 

It certainly was. Sorry---just got on a roll there. What I meant by that was we should all be responsible human beings that are looking out for each other by wearing masks and getting vaccinated. That idiot didn't give a damn about anyone but themselves.

i'm getting to the point where ignorance is bliss. I know it's important to be informed, but when we were out at the lake with no wifi, I was in heaven. and I know not only because of the beach and the calm, but no news. no social media. no AMT (LOL). 

sometimes I believe that news, ALL news, regardless of political leanings, sensationalize everything to keep you engaged. and I keep falling into that trap. 

sorry to derail. back to the thread. 

mfc2006

HughFreakingDillon said:

mfc2006 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mfc2006 said:

curmudgeoness said:

mrussel1 said:

This is normal, right?>  Bringing zip ties to schools to confront a female principal..

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-school-ordered-a-student-to-quarantine-his-dad-and-2-men-confronted-the-principal-with-zip-ties-official-says/ar-AAO3OTj

It seems to be the new normal. Again, how do you handle a minority faction that is acting like an overtired toddler? If we aren't comfortable out-crazying them (and I'm having more and more days where that feels appealing), how do we handle them?

I'm not sure what happened, but we were traveling yesterday and when our flight landed four of San Diego's finest were waiting to handle "some issues" that arose in the back of the plane. Frankly I'm surprised that this was the first flight I've taken where that happened.

Something needs to be done. Zip ties for a principal? Duct taping passengers on planes? Vaccine clinics not able to operate? It's all a complete shitshow & absolutely shocking and disgusting.

The duct taping of that passenger, in my mind, was kind of justified. these flight attendants are on their last rope. 

It certainly was. Sorry---just got on a roll there. What I meant by that was we should all be responsible human beings that are looking out for each other by wearing masks and getting vaccinated. That idiot didn't give a damn about anyone but themselves.

i'm getting to the point where ignorance is bliss. I know it's important to be informed, but when we were out at the lake with no wifi, I was in heaven. and I know not only because of the beach and the calm, but no news. no social media. no AMT (LOL). 

sometimes I believe that news, ALL news, regardless of political leanings, sensationalize everything to keep you engaged. and I keep falling into that trap. 

sorry to derail. back to the thread. 

I fall into it as well. I've don't come to AMT nearly as much as I used to and have tried to tune out the news, but it keeps creeping into conversations. Ugh. A lake vacation sounds ideal right now.

Merkin Baller

HughFreakingDillon said:

mfc2006 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mfc2006 said:

curmudgeoness said:

mrussel1 said:

This is normal, right?>  Bringing zip ties to schools to confront a female principal..

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-school-ordered-a-student-to-quarantine-his-dad-and-2-men-confronted-the-principal-with-zip-ties-official-says/ar-AAO3OTj

It seems to be the new normal. Again, how do you handle a minority faction that is acting like an overtired toddler? If we aren't comfortable out-crazying them (and I'm having more and more days where that feels appealing), how do we handle them?

I'm not sure what happened, but we were traveling yesterday and when our flight landed four of San Diego's finest were waiting to handle "some issues" that arose in the back of the plane. Frankly I'm surprised that this was the first flight I've taken where that happened.

Something needs to be done. Zip ties for a principal? Duct taping passengers on planes? Vaccine clinics not able to operate? It's all a complete shitshow & absolutely shocking and disgusting.

The duct taping of that passenger, in my mind, was kind of justified. these flight attendants are on their last rope. 

It certainly was. Sorry---just got on a roll there. What I meant by that was we should all be responsible human beings that are looking out for each other by wearing masks and getting vaccinated. That idiot didn't give a damn about anyone but themselves.

i'm getting to the point where ignorance is bliss. I know it's important to be informed, but when we were out at the lake with no wifi, I was in heaven. and I know not only because of the beach and the calm, but no news. no social media. no AMT (LOL). 

sometimes I believe that news, ALL news, regardless of political leanings, sensationalize everything to keep you engaged. and I keep falling into that trap. 

sorry to derail. back to the thread. 

I'm with you... I've been playing bass a lot more this summer, and doing as much as possible to stay off my phone / social media. 

Doesn't work all the time, but sometimes it does... my wife can tell when I'm on twitter too much, I'm cranky AF. 

static111

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mfc2006 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mfc2006 said:

curmudgeoness said:

mrussel1 said:

This is normal, right?>  Bringing zip ties to schools to confront a female principal..

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-school-ordered-a-student-to-quarantine-his-dad-and-2-men-confronted-the-principal-with-zip-ties-official-says/ar-AAO3OTj

It seems to be the new normal. Again, how do you handle a minority faction that is acting like an overtired toddler? If we aren't comfortable out-crazying them (and I'm having more and more days where that feels appealing), how do we handle them?

I'm not sure what happened, but we were traveling yesterday and when our flight landed four of San Diego's finest were waiting to handle "some issues" that arose in the back of the plane. Frankly I'm surprised that this was the first flight I've taken where that happened.

Something needs to be done. Zip ties for a principal? Duct taping passengers on planes? Vaccine clinics not able to operate? It's all a complete shitshow & absolutely shocking and disgusting.

The duct taping of that passenger, in my mind, was kind of justified. these flight attendants are on their last rope. 

It certainly was. Sorry---just got on a roll there. What I meant by that was we should all be responsible human beings that are looking out for each other by wearing masks and getting vaccinated. That idiot didn't give a damn about anyone but themselves.

i'm getting to the point where ignorance is bliss. I know it's important to be informed, but when we were out at the lake with no wifi, I was in heaven. and I know not only because of the beach and the calm, but no news. no social media. no AMT (LOL). 

sometimes I believe that news, ALL news, regardless of political leanings, sensationalize everything to keep you engaged. and I keep falling into that trap. 

sorry to derail. back to the thread. 

I'm with you... I've been playing bass a lot more this summer, and doing as much as possible to stay off my phone / social media. 

Doesn't work all the time, but sometimes it does... my wife can tell when I'm on twitter too much, I'm cranky AF. 

I’m in the same boat.  I went as far as getting a dumb phone.  We don’t have cable so I rarely if ever see the news.  If something isn’t affecting our local community here in Austin we likely aren’t going to hear about it unless it has a huge impact somehow.   Anyways the whole family has been a lot happier acting locally.

Parksy

I gotta say... all this talk about how vaccine passports are causing 'division' in our society.  

The province of Alberta.... a province that did away with all restrictions on July 1st... finally admitted that the pandemic is far from over and that their hospitals are filling up too much once again predominantly with the unvaccinated. 

So therefore...  restrictions are back.  (no shit)
Mask mandates are back. (no shit)

And this one really gets me...  

They are offering $100 to anyone who gets vaccinated who are not yet. 

That means.... to the lazy, immoral, dumb, irresponsible people who did not bother getting a vaccine can now get $100 for doing what 70% of the population already did. 

Rewarding the morons. 

You want to talk about division in society?  I can't wait to hear the blow back about this from people who did the right thing from the start and got the vaccine as soon as possible. 

tbergs

Parksy said:

I gotta say... all this talk about how vaccine passports are causing 'division' in our society.  

The province of Alberta.... a province that did away with all restrictions on July 1st... finally admitted that the pandemic is far from over and that their hospitals are filling up too much once again predominantly with the unvaccinated. 

So therefore...  restrictions are back.  (no shit)
Mask mandates are back. (no shit)

And this one really gets me...  

They are offering $100 to anyone who gets vaccinated who are not yet. 

That means.... to the lazy, immoral, dumb, irresponsible people who did not bother getting a vaccine can now get $100 for doing what 70% of the population already did. 

Rewarding the morons. 

You want to talk about division in society?  I can't wait to hear the blow back about this from people who did the right thing from the start and got the vaccine as soon as possible. 

It's a weird time for sure. As of next Wednesday, all state employees in MN need to have shown proof of vaccination or submit weekly Covid tests that are negative. The kicker is that we as the employer need to pay for the tests, allow leave time to get tested during work hours and reimburse mileage if applicable. On the other side, I get why the state is paying for it because they created the work mandates, but all this is doing is divided people more. Now everyone is going to know exactly who is and isn't vaccinated based on who's leaving to get tested every Wednesday. My staff who are vaccinated are annoyed because they're basically giving incentives to the unvaccinated (paying for testing and time off to get tested). I told them they get the health benefit of being vaccinated, but I don't think that really makes it seem fair to them. It's just a giant mess.

dignin

Parksy said:

I gotta say... all this talk about how vaccine passports are causing 'division' in our society.  

The province of Alberta.... a province that did away with all restrictions on July 1st... finally admitted that the pandemic is far from over and that their hospitals are filling up too much once again predominantly with the unvaccinated. 

So therefore...  restrictions are back.  (no shit)
Mask mandates are back. (no shit)

And this one really gets me...  

They are offering $100 to anyone who gets vaccinated who are not yet. 

That means.... to the lazy, immoral, dumb, irresponsible people who did not bother getting a vaccine can now get $100 for doing what 70% of the population already did. 

Rewarding the morons. 

You want to talk about division in society?  I can't wait to hear the blow back about this from people who did the right thing from the start and got the vaccine as soon as possible. 

Albertan here. Everyone I know is livid. 

dignin

Can this pandemic get anymore stupid?

Parksy

tbergs said:

Parksy said:

I gotta say... all this talk about how vaccine passports are causing 'division' in our society.  

The province of Alberta.... a province that did away with all restrictions on July 1st... finally admitted that the pandemic is far from over and that their hospitals are filling up too much once again predominantly with the unvaccinated. 

So therefore...  restrictions are back.  (no shit)
Mask mandates are back. (no shit)

And this one really gets me...  

They are offering $100 to anyone who gets vaccinated who are not yet. 

That means.... to the lazy, immoral, dumb, irresponsible people who did not bother getting a vaccine can now get $100 for doing what 70% of the population already did. 

Rewarding the morons. 

You want to talk about division in society?  I can't wait to hear the blow back about this from people who did the right thing from the start and got the vaccine as soon as possible. 

It's a weird time for sure. As of next Wednesday, all state employees in MN need to have shown proof of vaccination or submit weekly Covid tests that are negative. The kicker is that we as the employer need to pay for the tests, allow leave time to get tested during work hours and reimburse mileage if applicable. On the other side, I get why the state is paying for it because they created the work mandates, but all this is doing is divided people more. Now everyone is going to know exactly who is and isn't vaccinated based on who's leaving to get tested every Wednesday. My staff who are vaccinated are annoyed because they're basically giving incentives to the unvaccinated (paying for testing and time off to get tested). I told them they get the health benefit of being vaccinated, but I don't think that really makes it seem fair to them. It's just a giant mess.

I'll admit.. I'm somewhat of an asshole. 

When the thought crossed my mind that at least I had the piece of mind of being a good person compared to those who may get $100... that thought lasted about a second and then after that all I could then think about was how badly I would want to beat the shit out of anyone who got money to get vaccinated. 

Parksy

dignin said:

Can this pandemic get anymore stupid?

It's like paying people who carry AIDS to wear condoms. 

Guy: "Hey baby, let's get down tonight."
Gal: "Wait, don't you have AIDS."
Guy: "Yeah but I got rights too ya know."
Gal: "You're at least gonna wear a condom right?" 
Guy: "Shit no, feels way better without!"
Government Official: "Great news, Guy! We will offer you no strings attached money for you to wear this tested and proven condom. What say you now?" 

OnWis97

Parksy said:

I gotta say... all this talk about how vaccine passports are causing 'division' in our society.  

The province of Alberta.... a province that did away with all restrictions on July 1st... finally admitted that the pandemic is far from over and that their hospitals are filling up too much once again predominantly with the unvaccinated. 

So therefore...  restrictions are back.  (no shit)
Mask mandates are back. (no shit)

And this one really gets me...  

They are offering $100 to anyone who gets vaccinated who are not yet. 

That means.... to the lazy, immoral, dumb, irresponsible people who did not bother getting a vaccine can now get $100 for doing what 70% of the population already did. 

Rewarding the morons. 

You want to talk about division in society?  I can't wait to hear the blow back about this from people who did the right thing from the start and got the vaccine as soon as possible. 

I understand the frustration from those already vaccinated, particularly for anyone that could really use $100.  That said, if it works, then great.  I mean, it probably won't because it would take a lot of people getting vaccinated, but every bit helps.

Government money gets distributed in funny ways. Most of us think it goes disproportionally to the poor; but in many ways (extending roads to wealthy suburbs, as one example), that's not true (not that I can speak for Canada). So, now some of it is going to reward morons. I don't disagree but it's something I, as someone who was vaccinated as soon as he could, can live with, even if it's pathetic that it even has be be considered.

curmudgeoness

They tried financial incentives ($100, entry into a lottery to win a million dollars) here in the US; when the carrot quit working, people started trying the stick. So Delta Airlines will be charging unvaccinated employees a fee, and I think corporations will be moving to covid-related surcharges on company health insurance plans for unvaccinated employees.

HughFreakingDillon

Parksy said:

I gotta say... all this talk about how vaccine passports are causing 'division' in our society.  

The province of Alberta.... a province that did away with all restrictions on July 1st... finally admitted that the pandemic is far from over and that their hospitals are filling up too much once again predominantly with the unvaccinated. 

So therefore...  restrictions are back.  (no shit)
Mask mandates are back. (no shit)

And this one really gets me...  

They are offering $100 to anyone who gets vaccinated who are not yet. 

That means.... to the lazy, immoral, dumb, irresponsible people who did not bother getting a vaccine can now get $100 for doing what 70% of the population already did. 

Rewarding the morons. 

You want to talk about division in society?  I can't wait to hear the blow back about this from people who did the right thing from the start and got the vaccine as soon as possible. 

manitoba did it right when they announced the vaccine lottery; it was retroactive to people who had already been vaccinated. since you had to register your appointment with your health card, it was on record and easy to do. 

Halifax2TheMax

How’s that herd immunity strategy working out?

Spunkie

Here's Canada.ca monthly mathematical modelling highlights which drives policy.

mickeyrat

but of course....

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/gunshot-victims-horse-dewormer-ivermectin-oklahoma-hospitals-covid-1220608/

josevolution

https://mycanyonlake.com/all-kindergarten-teachers-at-kinder-ranch-test-positive-for-covid-19/
So these states are really going to just let the cards fall where they may ha! 

curmudgeoness

josevolution said:

https://mycanyonlake.com/all-kindergarten-teachers-at-kinder-ranch-test-positive-for-covid-19/
So these states are really going to just let the cards fall where they may ha! 

Is this... real? Is this a real newspaper? I'm looking at that sidebar, "District Superintendent Sends Prayers to [all] with COVID-19," and... wow. 

Edit to add: that latter article, about the superintendent, s something else, too.