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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,781
    PJNB said:
    josevolution said:
    PJNB said:
    josevolution said:
    Yep plenty of fake cards at all events! SHN will be no different..
    Lolla was a success with the same rules as SHN. It will be a ok either way. Also what is plenty to you and how do you know that there are plenty at all events?
    Folks have been using fake cards since the hockey playoffs! That’s when I 1st heard about them..
    I am not saying they are not out there. I was asking why you would use the word plenty.
    Once they are out there people rather use fake cards then get vaccinated it’s not like they only made 1000 I’d say they are thousands out in circulation!
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  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    edited August 2021
    Boosters are starting to come out soon. This is going to help the people that trust in the science and further push away those that do not. If it is needed I am all for it but if you need a booster 8 months after you already have been vaccinated the number of people willing to go in for more is going to drop off significantly I feel. 
    Post edited by PJNB on
  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    PJNB said:
    Boosters are starting to come out soon. This is going to help the people that trust in the science and further push away those that do not. If it is needed I am all for it but if you need a booster 8 months after you already have been vaccinated the number of people willing to go in for more is going to drop off significantly I feel. 

    Yes, the news late last night was that booster shots for recipients of Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are recommended eight months after being fully vaccinated. Boosters are expected to be rolled out on a wide scale in September (immune-suppressed people can get them now).

    An annual flu shot already is part of our family routine, so I don't think it will be an issue for people like us.

    And for the "OMG this is such new technology!" people -- once again, the mRNA vaccine technology was developed years ago in an effort to find a vaccine for HIV. This morning, I read that such a vaccine is ready for trials.
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  • JeBurkhardt
    JeBurkhardt Posts: 5,341
    PJNB said:
    Boosters are starting to come out soon. This is going to help the people that trust in the science and further push away those that do not. If it is needed I am all for it but if you need a booster 8 months after you already have been vaccinated the number of people willing to go in for more is going to drop off significantly I feel. 
    I got my second Moderna shot in February, so It should be sometime in October when it is recommended for me to get the booster. Time to roll up the sleeve. 
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,758
    JeBurkhardt said:
    PJNB said:
    Boosters are starting to come out soon. This is going to help the people that trust in the science and further push away those that do not. If it is needed I am all for it but if you need a booster 8 months after you already have been vaccinated the number of people willing to go in for more is going to drop off significantly I feel. 
    I got my second Moderna shot in February, so It should be sometime in October when it is recommended for me to get the booster. Time to roll up the sleeve. 
    queue up the "where does it end?" anti-vaxxer angle. 
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Any word on whether the boosters are expected to have any side-effects similar to those of the initial vaccine?
  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JeBurkhardt said:
    PJNB said:
    Boosters are starting to come out soon. This is going to help the people that trust in the science and further push away those that do not. If it is needed I am all for it but if you need a booster 8 months after you already have been vaccinated the number of people willing to go in for more is going to drop off significantly I feel. 
    I got my second Moderna shot in February, so It should be sometime in October when it is recommended for me to get the booster. Time to roll up the sleeve. 
    queue up the "where does it end?" anti-vaxxer angle. 

    Never mind that boosters already are required for many vaccines; my son had to get a tetanus booster the other day for grad school. And as a doctor recently noted, many of the vaccine we receive in childhood require multiple injections. This is nothing new, but some people will act like it is.
    All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,599
    curmudgeoness said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JeBurkhardt said:
    PJNB said:
    Boosters are starting to come out soon. This is going to help the people that trust in the science and further push away those that do not. If it is needed I am all for it but if you need a booster 8 months after you already have been vaccinated the number of people willing to go in for more is going to drop off significantly I feel. 
    I got my second Moderna shot in February, so It should be sometime in October when it is recommended for me to get the booster. Time to roll up the sleeve. 
    queue up the "where does it end?" anti-vaxxer angle. 

    Never mind that boosters already are required for many vaccines; my son had to get a tetanus booster the other day for grad school. And as a doctor recently noted, many of the vaccine we receive in childhood require multiple injections. This is nothing new, but some people will act like it is.
    Another angle for you.  Those vaccines were worked on for years.  Not 12 months.

    That is also what is said.
  • Spunkie
    Spunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 7,095
    edited August 2021

    NO vaccine exemption policies for children under 12. Our negative test to enter the States will suffice instead.

    Which brings me back to the Feb 2020 question... is it better to catch the (delta) virus now than before or on vacations?
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,918
    hedonist said:
    Any word on whether the boosters are expected to have any side-effects similar to those of the initial vaccine?
    Is a booster a different compound?  I thought it was the same compound, just third shot. 
  • Spunkie
    Spunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 7,095
    I thought they'd mix up the mRNA formula easily for variants before the third....
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    Animals were hiding behind the Coral 
    Except for little Turtle
    I could swear he's trying to talk to me 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,758
    tempo_n_groove said:
    curmudgeoness said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JeBurkhardt said:
    PJNB said:
    Boosters are starting to come out soon. This is going to help the people that trust in the science and further push away those that do not. If it is needed I am all for it but if you need a booster 8 months after you already have been vaccinated the number of people willing to go in for more is going to drop off significantly I feel. 
    I got my second Moderna shot in February, so It should be sometime in October when it is recommended for me to get the booster. Time to roll up the sleeve. 
    queue up the "where does it end?" anti-vaxxer angle. 

    Never mind that boosters already are required for many vaccines; my son had to get a tetanus booster the other day for grad school. And as a doctor recently noted, many of the vaccine we receive in childhood require multiple injections. This is nothing new, but some people will act like it is.
    Another angle for you.  Those vaccines were worked on for years.  Not 12 months.

    That is also what is said.
    and that would be misleading. the technology for these vaccines has been around over a decade. all that was needed was the target. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,758
    edited August 2021
    tempo_n_groove said:
    curmudgeoness said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JeBurkhardt said:
    PJNB said:
    Boosters are starting to come out soon. This is going to help the people that trust in the science and further push away those that do not. If it is needed I am all for it but if you need a booster 8 months after you already have been vaccinated the number of people willing to go in for more is going to drop off significantly I feel. 
    I got my second Moderna shot in February, so It should be sometime in October when it is recommended for me to get the booster. Time to roll up the sleeve. 
    queue up the "where does it end?" anti-vaxxer angle. 

    Never mind that boosters already are required for many vaccines; my son had to get a tetanus booster the other day for grad school. And as a doctor recently noted, many of the vaccine we receive in childhood require multiple injections. This is nothing new, but some people will act like it is.
    Another angle for you.  Those vaccines were worked on for years.  Not 12 months.

    That is also what is said.
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  • JeBurkhardt
    JeBurkhardt Posts: 5,341
    hedonist said:
    Any word on whether the boosters are expected to have any side-effects similar to those of the initial vaccine?
    I am going to guess yes, but it is just a guess. I might try to arrange to get it on a Friday, so if I do feel crappy I can stay home and not be at work. My side effects only lasted the day after the injection last time.
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    edited August 2021
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    curmudgeoness said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JeBurkhardt said:
    PJNB said:
    Boosters are starting to come out soon. This is going to help the people that trust in the science and further push away those that do not. If it is needed I am all for it but if you need a booster 8 months after you already have been vaccinated the number of people willing to go in for more is going to drop off significantly I feel. 
    I got my second Moderna shot in February, so It should be sometime in October when it is recommended for me to get the booster. Time to roll up the sleeve. 
    queue up the "where does it end?" anti-vaxxer angle. 

    Never mind that boosters already are required for many vaccines; my son had to get a tetanus booster the other day for grad school. And as a doctor recently noted, many of the vaccine we receive in childhood require multiple injections. This is nothing new, but some people will act like it is.
    Another angle for you.  Those vaccines were worked on for years.  Not 12 months.

    That is also what is said.
    and that would be misleading. the technology for these vaccines has been around over a decade. all that was needed was the target. 
    & I believe we're 17 months out from the first Moderna trials.
  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    mrussel1 said:
    hedonist said:
    Any word on whether the boosters are expected to have any side-effects similar to those of the initial vaccine?
    Is a booster a different compound?  I thought it was the same compound, just third shot. 
    That is how I read it as well. Same shot. So now they are coming out with boosters for the boosters (second shot I thought was a booster). These will at the very least help those that are more vulnerable right away since they were the ones that got vaccinated first to begin with. On top of that they are coming out with another shot entirely that is supposed to fight off the Delta better. Ya I can see how this works but can also see how antivaxxers will love this and fuel their reasoning for not getting the shots. 
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,599
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    curmudgeoness said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JeBurkhardt said:
    PJNB said:
    Boosters are starting to come out soon. This is going to help the people that trust in the science and further push away those that do not. If it is needed I am all for it but if you need a booster 8 months after you already have been vaccinated the number of people willing to go in for more is going to drop off significantly I feel. 
    I got my second Moderna shot in February, so It should be sometime in October when it is recommended for me to get the booster. Time to roll up the sleeve. 
    queue up the "where does it end?" anti-vaxxer angle. 

    Never mind that boosters already are required for many vaccines; my son had to get a tetanus booster the other day for grad school. And as a doctor recently noted, many of the vaccine we receive in childhood require multiple injections. This is nothing new, but some people will act like it is.
    Another angle for you.  Those vaccines were worked on for years.  Not 12 months.

    That is also what is said.
    and that would be misleading. the technology for these vaccines has been around over a decade. all that was needed was the target. 
    Since 2003 and SARS, yes.  

    Next to be said would be "It's still an experimental vaccine and I don't want to be a guinea pig..."

    They have a reply for everything.
  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    tempo_n_groove said:
    curmudgeoness said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JeBurkhardt said:
    PJNB said:
    Boosters are starting to come out soon. This is going to help the people that trust in the science and further push away those that do not. If it is needed I am all for it but if you need a booster 8 months after you already have been vaccinated the number of people willing to go in for more is going to drop off significantly I feel. 
    I got my second Moderna shot in February, so It should be sometime in October when it is recommended for me to get the booster. Time to roll up the sleeve. 
    queue up the "where does it end?" anti-vaxxer angle. 

    Never mind that boosters already are required for many vaccines; my son had to get a tetanus booster the other day for grad school. And as a doctor recently noted, many of the vaccine we receive in childhood require multiple injections. This is nothing new, but some people will act like it is.
    Another angle for you.  Those vaccines were worked on for years.  Not 12 months.

    That is also what is said.

    But the mRNA vaccine technology was in development for years, as I noted. And the vaccines were trailled on thousands of people. And 160 million Americans have since been vaccinated, with precious few adverse events.
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  • GlowGirl
    GlowGirl New York, NY Posts: 12,172
    hedonist said:
    Any word on whether the boosters are expected to have any side-effects similar to those of the initial vaccine?
    My sister's in-laws just got boosters this week. Her MIL is immune compromised so was eligible. They had similar effects to the initial vaccine - some fever and headaches. I don't know if that will be common, however.

  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    tempo_n_groove said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    curmudgeoness said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JeBurkhardt said:
    PJNB said:
    Boosters are starting to come out soon. This is going to help the people that trust in the science and further push away those that do not. If it is needed I am all for it but if you need a booster 8 months after you already have been vaccinated the number of people willing to go in for more is going to drop off significantly I feel. 
    I got my second Moderna shot in February, so It should be sometime in October when it is recommended for me to get the booster. Time to roll up the sleeve. 
    queue up the "where does it end?" anti-vaxxer angle. 

    Never mind that boosters already are required for many vaccines; my son had to get a tetanus booster the other day for grad school. And as a doctor recently noted, many of the vaccine we receive in childhood require multiple injections. This is nothing new, but some people will act like it is.
    Another angle for you.  Those vaccines were worked on for years.  Not 12 months.

    That is also what is said.
    and that would be misleading. the technology for these vaccines has been around over a decade. all that was needed was the target. 
    Since 2003 and SARS, yes.  

    Next to be said would be "It's still an experimental vaccine and I don't want to be a guinea pig..."

    They have a reply for everything.

    They'll be fresh out of excuses other than "But I don't wanna!" once the vaccines get full FDA approval -- which Fauci thinks is coming very soon.
    All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
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