josevolution said:

NewJPage said:

PJNB said:

NewJPage said:

PJNB said:

NewJPage said:

Zod said:

NewJPage said:

pjhawks said:

NewJPage said:

Seeing how the numbers are blowing up again in a lot of places, I wouldn't hold my breath. I for one would rather they get back in the studio as they are clearly in no rush, which I totally understand. 

Except almost all new cases in America are those not vaccinated. Just require vaccinations for entry and reschedule the dates

Vaccine is 63% effective against Delta, which is what is spreading like crazy. #s of vaccinated that are covid + is increasing substantially. Still quite effective against hospitalization/death, but vaccinated are spreading covid

I though I read that pfizer (and I suppose by proxy) Moderna, were something like 88 or 87% effective against Delta (two weeks after the 2nd shot)?  It's the Astrazeneca that' is 60 something percent, but that one wasn't used in America?

I think it was always known that vaccine people could be asymptomatic, but still spread the virus.

This is going to make tough decisions.  Do you do concerts for only people with vaccines, do you say fuck it, and play them anyway, and the people not getting vaccines can do as they will..  I dunno.   If the vaccines aren't able to return to normal, at what point do we give up?

Israel is at 63% and it used Pfizer. 42 states are seeing increasing cases...give it a week and it will be all 50.

As for your 2nd point, covid is likely here forever. If we can get the deniers on board it will make things semi normal. 

You are missing one key piece of info from your post though. All the approved vaccines are more than 90% effective in preventing severe disease. That is the most important number. Look at the UK. They are having a lot of cases and their deaths and hospitalizations are incredibly low for their numbers. 

Lets get these reschedules new dates! 

I said that earlier. That doesn't mean it will stay that way, sadly, especially as more variants crop up.

Missed that part but still what are we supposed to do going forward? We are not going to force vaccinations on people and as you said variants will continue to crop up. It sounds to me like you are good to not go to shows for awhile. Does that mean that the rest of us have to suffer no shows too? 

I'm not arguing what people should or shouldn't do, I'm just saying that there is a lot that can change in a short period of time and the band seems like they are not in a rush to get out there because of that. 

As for me, no, I have no interest cramming shoulder to shoulder with 20k people that may or may not be vaccinated. 

I’m in this camp, even with mandatory show proof of vaccine at shows people willing get fake vaccine cards they are out there in circulation , not good 

Weston1283 said:

JimmyV said:

josevolution said:

NewJPage said:

PJNB said:

NewJPage said:

PJNB said:

NewJPage said:

Zod said:

NewJPage said:

pjhawks said:

NewJPage said:

Seeing how the numbers are blowing up again in a lot of places, I wouldn't hold my breath. I for one would rather they get back in the studio as they are clearly in no rush, which I totally understand. 

Except almost all new cases in America are those not vaccinated. Just require vaccinations for entry and reschedule the dates

Vaccine is 63% effective against Delta, which is what is spreading like crazy. #s of vaccinated that are covid + is increasing substantially. Still quite effective against hospitalization/death, but vaccinated are spreading covid

I though I read that pfizer (and I suppose by proxy) Moderna, were something like 88 or 87% effective against Delta (two weeks after the 2nd shot)?  It's the Astrazeneca that' is 60 something percent, but that one wasn't used in America?

I think it was always known that vaccine people could be asymptomatic, but still spread the virus.

This is going to make tough decisions.  Do you do concerts for only people with vaccines, do you say fuck it, and play them anyway, and the people not getting vaccines can do as they will..  I dunno.   If the vaccines aren't able to return to normal, at what point do we give up?

Israel is at 63% and it used Pfizer. 42 states are seeing increasing cases...give it a week and it will be all 50.

As for your 2nd point, covid is likely here forever. If we can get the deniers on board it will make things semi normal. 

You are missing one key piece of info from your post though. All the approved vaccines are more than 90% effective in preventing severe disease. That is the most important number. Look at the UK. They are having a lot of cases and their deaths and hospitalizations are incredibly low for their numbers. 

Lets get these reschedules new dates! 

I said that earlier. That doesn't mean it will stay that way, sadly, especially as more variants crop up.

Missed that part but still what are we supposed to do going forward? We are not going to force vaccinations on people and as you said variants will continue to crop up. It sounds to me like you are good to not go to shows for awhile. Does that mean that the rest of us have to suffer no shows too? 

I'm not arguing what people should or shouldn't do, I'm just saying that there is a lot that can change in a short period of time and the band seems like they are not in a rush to get out there because of that. 

As for me, no, I have no interest cramming shoulder to shoulder with 20k people that may or may not be vaccinated. 

I’m in this camp, even with mandatory show proof of vaccine at shows people willing get fake vaccine cards they are out there in circulation , not good 

I totally get this. I've flown a couple times because we needed to and the full airports and planes are back. It isn't fun. I went to the movies once and it wasn't enjoyable. Crowds sucked before Covid and are worse now. 

I just got back from Hawaii and the crowds/lines on Oahu and Maui were worse than the GA pit at Foo Fighters last month lol

If the tourists are dicks and the locals are dicks, Oahu is for sure not the place for me, now.    

Weston1283 said:

JimmyV said:

josevolution said:

NewJPage said:

PJNB said:

NewJPage said:

PJNB said:

NewJPage said:

Zod said:

NewJPage said:

pjhawks said:

NewJPage said:

Seeing how the numbers are blowing up again in a lot of places, I wouldn't hold my breath. I for one would rather they get back in the studio as they are clearly in no rush, which I totally understand. 

Except almost all new cases in America are those not vaccinated. Just require vaccinations for entry and reschedule the dates

Vaccine is 63% effective against Delta, which is what is spreading like crazy. #s of vaccinated that are covid + is increasing substantially. Still quite effective against hospitalization/death, but vaccinated are spreading covid

I though I read that pfizer (and I suppose by proxy) Moderna, were something like 88 or 87% effective against Delta (two weeks after the 2nd shot)?  It's the Astrazeneca that' is 60 something percent, but that one wasn't used in America?

I think it was always known that vaccine people could be asymptomatic, but still spread the virus.

This is going to make tough decisions.  Do you do concerts for only people with vaccines, do you say fuck it, and play them anyway, and the people not getting vaccines can do as they will..  I dunno.   If the vaccines aren't able to return to normal, at what point do we give up?

Israel is at 63% and it used Pfizer. 42 states are seeing increasing cases...give it a week and it will be all 50.

As for your 2nd point, covid is likely here forever. If we can get the deniers on board it will make things semi normal. 

You are missing one key piece of info from your post though. All the approved vaccines are more than 90% effective in preventing severe disease. That is the most important number. Look at the UK. They are having a lot of cases and their deaths and hospitalizations are incredibly low for their numbers. 

Lets get these reschedules new dates! 

I said that earlier. That doesn't mean it will stay that way, sadly, especially as more variants crop up.

Missed that part but still what are we supposed to do going forward? We are not going to force vaccinations on people and as you said variants will continue to crop up. It sounds to me like you are good to not go to shows for awhile. Does that mean that the rest of us have to suffer no shows too? 

I'm not arguing what people should or shouldn't do, I'm just saying that there is a lot that can change in a short period of time and the band seems like they are not in a rush to get out there because of that. 

As for me, no, I have no interest cramming shoulder to shoulder with 20k people that may or may not be vaccinated. 

I’m in this camp, even with mandatory show proof of vaccine at shows people willing get fake vaccine cards they are out there in circulation , not good 

I totally get this. I've flown a couple times because we needed to and the full airports and planes are back. It isn't fun. I went to the movies once and it wasn't enjoyable. Crowds sucked before Covid and are worse now. 

I just got back from Hawaii and the crowds/lines on Oahu and Maui were worse than the GA pit at Foo Fighters last month lol

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Zod said:

Double vaccinated now.  How long til i grow frustrated from lack of show?