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Halifax2TheMax said:Ledbetterman10 said:Well that's interesting. I've never heard of that being done before, but maybe it has in high-profile cases. I remember knowing the races of the OJ jurors, but nothing more.
Yeah I'm somewhat familiar with the process because I've been a potential juror twice. But I said I have a short attention span and "would struggle to stay focused listening to boring testimony," and was dismissed by the judge each time. I've just never seen Q&A between counsel and potential jurors be published, though I'm guessing it probably has been, but it was a case I wasn't following or something.
I'm surprised the defense didn't push hard (or maybe they did and failed) for the dismissal of the woman that said she "expressed a positive view of the Black Lives Matter movement, saying: “I am Black. My life matters.”" Good luck planting the seed of "reasonable doubt" in her.2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
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So Biden said today that he’s praying for “the right verdict” in the Chauvin trial, and that he called Floyd’s family after the jury began its deliberations.
What the hell is he doing? Should he really be commenting on trials like this or reaching out to the family BEFORE the verdict? And it's not just him. Politicians have been commenting on both trails and active investigations for some time now, and I don't think they should. Especially not the politicians at the very top. Like Trump defending Kyle Rittenshouse without any knowledge or what happened. Or Kamala Harris calling Jacob Blake and telling him she's proud of how he's fighting through the pain with no regard for his alleged sexual assault victim.2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
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Verdict has been reached. Verdict will be read between 4:30 and 5.2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
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So a verdict has been reached, fast. Doesn't look good for the defense.0
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Ledbetterman10 said:Verdict has been reached. Verdict will be read between 4:30 and 5.Pretty quick, Sounds like guilty on one of the top 2 murder charges.0
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Lerxst1992 said:Ledbetterman10 said:Verdict has been reached. Verdict will be read between 4:30 and 5.Pretty quick, Sounds like guilty on one of the top 2 murder charges.2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
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Ledbetterman10 said:Verdict has been reached. Verdict will be read between 4:30 and 5.
Whelp, here we go!
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Ledbetterman10 said:So Biden said today that he’s praying for “the right verdict” in the Chauvin trial, and that he called Floyd’s family after the jury began its deliberations.
What the hell is he doing? Should he really be commenting on trials like this or reaching out to the family BEFORE the verdict? And it's not just him. Politicians have been commenting on both trails and active investigations for some time now, and I don't think they should. Especially not the politicians at the very top. Like Trump defending Kyle Rittenshouse without any knowledge or what happened. Or Kamala Harris calling Jacob Blake and telling him she's proud of how he's fighting through the pain with no regard for his alleged sexual assault victim.I think Waters put mistrial as a real possibility. As I’ve been saying too much, the left has been out of control lately, especially with the Wright incident. Chauvin is guilty as sin IMO, but the left lost the ability to speak rationally on these terrible matters. Wright was night and day entirely different. Seems we’ve learned nothing since trump nearly got reelected on three words, defund the police.0 -
I'm surprised it's been reached so soon which to me means that the verdict does not look good for Chauvin. I wonder if he will be stone faced like how he had his knee on George Floyd???
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Ledbetterman10 said:Halifax2TheMax said:Ledbetterman10 said:Well that's interesting. I've never heard of that being done before, but maybe it has in high-profile cases. I remember knowing the races of the OJ jurors, but nothing more.
Yeah I'm somewhat familiar with the process because I've been a potential juror twice. But I said I have a short attention span and "would struggle to stay focused listening to boring testimony," and was dismissed by the judge each time. I've just never seen Q&A between counsel and potential jurors be published, though I'm guessing it probably has been, but it was a case I wasn't following or something.
I'm surprised the defense didn't push hard (or maybe they did and failed) for the dismissal of the woman that said she "expressed a positive view of the Black Lives Matter movement, saying: “I am Black. My life matters.”" Good luck planting the seed of "reasonable doubt" in her.
Or do they actually need a reason and to be approved by the judge?0 -
mace1229 said:Ledbetterman10 said:Halifax2TheMax said:Ledbetterman10 said:Well that's interesting. I've never heard of that being done before, but maybe it has in high-profile cases. I remember knowing the races of the OJ jurors, but nothing more.
Yeah I'm somewhat familiar with the process because I've been a potential juror twice. But I said I have a short attention span and "would struggle to stay focused listening to boring testimony," and was dismissed by the judge each time. I've just never seen Q&A between counsel and potential jurors be published, though I'm guessing it probably has been, but it was a case I wasn't following or something.
I'm surprised the defense didn't push hard (or maybe they did and failed) for the dismissal of the woman that said she "expressed a positive view of the Black Lives Matter movement, saying: “I am Black. My life matters.”" Good luck planting the seed of "reasonable doubt" in her.
Or do they actually need a reason and to be approved by the judge?2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
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g under p said:I'm surprised it's been reached so soon which to me means that the verdict does not look good for Chauvin. I wonder if he will be stone faced like how he had his knee on George Floyd???
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Ledbetterman10 said:mace1229 said:Ledbetterman10 said:Halifax2TheMax said:Ledbetterman10 said:Well that's interesting. I've never heard of that being done before, but maybe it has in high-profile cases. I remember knowing the races of the OJ jurors, but nothing more.
Yeah I'm somewhat familiar with the process because I've been a potential juror twice. But I said I have a short attention span and "would struggle to stay focused listening to boring testimony," and was dismissed by the judge each time. I've just never seen Q&A between counsel and potential jurors be published, though I'm guessing it probably has been, but it was a case I wasn't following or something.
I'm surprised the defense didn't push hard (or maybe they did and failed) for the dismissal of the woman that said she "expressed a positive view of the Black Lives Matter movement, saying: “I am Black. My life matters.”" Good luck planting the seed of "reasonable doubt" in her.
Or do they actually need a reason and to be approved by the judge?From American Bar Association“Each lawyer may request the dismissalof an unlimited number of jurors for cause. ... These challenges permit a lawyer to excuse a potential jurorwithout stating a cause. In effect, they allow a lawyer to dismiss a jurorbecause of a belief that the juror willnot serve the best interests of the client.”
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cblock4life said:Ledbetterman10 said:mace1229 said:Ledbetterman10 said:Halifax2TheMax said:Ledbetterman10 said:Well that's interesting. I've never heard of that being done before, but maybe it has in high-profile cases. I remember knowing the races of the OJ jurors, but nothing more.
Yeah I'm somewhat familiar with the process because I've been a potential juror twice. But I said I have a short attention span and "would struggle to stay focused listening to boring testimony," and was dismissed by the judge each time. I've just never seen Q&A between counsel and potential jurors be published, though I'm guessing it probably has been, but it was a case I wasn't following or something.
I'm surprised the defense didn't push hard (or maybe they did and failed) for the dismissal of the woman that said she "expressed a positive view of the Black Lives Matter movement, saying: “I am Black. My life matters.”" Good luck planting the seed of "reasonable doubt" in her.
Or do they actually need a reason and to be approved by the judge?From American Bar Association“Each lawyer may request the dismissalof an unlimited number of jurors for cause. ... These challenges permit a lawyer to excuse a potential jurorwithout stating a cause. In effect, they allow a lawyer to dismiss a jurorbecause of a belief that the juror willnot serve the best interests of the client.”2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
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Good for Biden making a public comment on the verdict, this is a make or break moment for America and it is good to have a president weighing in and talking with the family of the victim. Let’s hope the jurors are on the right side of history.Scio me nihil scire
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Halifax2TheMax said:g under p said:I'm surprised it's been reached so soon which to me means that the verdict does not look good for Chauvin. I wonder if he will be stone faced like how he had his knee on George Floyd???
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Ledbetterman10 said:cblock4life said:Ledbetterman10 said:mace1229 said:Ledbetterman10 said:Halifax2TheMax said:Ledbetterman10 said:Well that's interesting. I've never heard of that being done before, but maybe it has in high-profile cases. I remember knowing the races of the OJ jurors, but nothing more.
Yeah I'm somewhat familiar with the process because I've been a potential juror twice. But I said I have a short attention span and "would struggle to stay focused listening to boring testimony," and was dismissed by the judge each time. I've just never seen Q&A between counsel and potential jurors be published, though I'm guessing it probably has been, but it was a case I wasn't following or something.
I'm surprised the defense didn't push hard (or maybe they did and failed) for the dismissal of the woman that said she "expressed a positive view of the Black Lives Matter movement, saying: “I am Black. My life matters.”" Good luck planting the seed of "reasonable doubt" in her.
Or do they actually need a reason and to be approved by the judge?From American Bar Association“Each lawyer may request the dismissalof an unlimited number of jurors for cause. ... These challenges permit a lawyer to excuse a potential jurorwithout stating a cause. In effect, they allow a lawyer to dismiss a jurorbecause of a belief that the juror willnot serve the best interests of the client.”
oddly enough, he only had one lone attorney, which I read was unusual
so was the 3.5+ hour closing defense argument
which basically amounted to: we don't have a defense for his actions, so we're going to argue technicalities ad nauseum to create reasonable doubt0 -
g under p said:Halifax2TheMax said:g under p said:I'm surprised it's been reached so soon which to me means that the verdict does not look good for Chauvin. I wonder if he will be stone faced like how he had his knee on George Floyd???
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static111 said:Good for Biden making a public comment on the verdict, this is a make or break moment for America and it is good to have a president weighing in and talking with the family of the victim. Let’s hope the jurors are on the right side of history.2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
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