The coronavirus

gvn2fly1421 said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Merkin Baller said:

mickeyrat said:

tish said:

Not sure I agree with this last part of your wife's statement, Mic. Can you expand?

she thinks or has read jannsen pissed off the previous admin and that j&j has been on the outscwith gop for quite some time.

similar to AZ. think it was oftenreading posted the percentage of dead vs number of shots then posted other percentages for everyday shit we dont blink an eye at. AZ dead

J&J stock has taken a big hit as a result.

so they said 6 known dead within the first 2 weeks of injection. 6.8 million doses given. whats that, 1 for every 1.15 million?

I dont mean to minimize these tragedies at all. sure their families are heart broken.

greater good argument at play here I think. what we are seeing really with all of them at this point is real time trials on a very wide scale.

So, you're about as likely to get a fusilli jerry lodged in your rectum as you are to get a blood clot from the J&J vaccine. Got it. 

I love that this board sees anything opposed to their own political views as "conspiracy" or "Q" type stuff, yet this guy posts a literal conspiracy theory and gets no backlash because it aligns with the collective views.  Got it.  Wife is a nurse read jannsen pissed off the previous admin and "j&j has been on the outscwith gop for quite some time." and the stock is tanking.  Yep, checks out.

BTW, if only somebody around here expressed hesitancy to taking these vaccines....  Some more interesting reading below, and I would recommend going to her twitter feed as she is a big liberal, on some of the effects of the vaccines.

https://twitter.com/naomirwolf/status/1381949143304839171

What conspiracy theory here?

Mickey said, "His wife is a nurse (not a conspiracy) but she thinks jannsen pissed off the previous admin and that j&j has been on the outscwith gop for quite some time. (total conspiracy)".  

If I came in first thing this morning and said that "The Biden Administration is putting pressure on the FDA because Alex Gorsky voted for Trump and is a big Trump supporter and that is why they shut down the vaccine", you honestly with a straight face cannot say I would not be getting called every conspiracy thing under the sun.  

If you cannot agree with this, you are what I refer to as "too far gone".  Come back to the middle and realize neither side gives a shit about you!  It's safe here, I promise.

gvn2fly1421 said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Merkin Baller said:

mickeyrat said:

tish said:

Not sure I agree with this last part of your wife's statement, Mic. Can you expand?

she thinks or has read jannsen pissed off the previous admin and that j&j has been on the outscwith gop for quite some time.

similar to AZ. think it was oftenreading posted the percentage of dead vs number of shots then posted other percentages for everyday shit we dont blink an eye at. AZ dead

J&J stock has taken a big hit as a result.

so they said 6 known dead within the first 2 weeks of injection. 6.8 million doses given. whats that, 1 for every 1.15 million?

I dont mean to minimize these tragedies at all. sure their families are heart broken.

greater good argument at play here I think. what we are seeing really with all of them at this point is real time trials on a very wide scale.

So, you're about as likely to get a fusilli jerry lodged in your rectum as you are to get a blood clot from the J&J vaccine. Got it. 

I love that this board sees anything opposed to their own political views as "conspiracy" or "Q" type stuff, yet this guy posts a literal conspiracy theory and gets no backlash because it aligns with the collective views.  Got it.  Wife is a nurse read jannsen pissed off the previous admin and "j&j has been on the outscwith gop for quite some time." and the stock is tanking.  Yep, checks out.

BTW, if only somebody around here expressed hesitancy to taking these vaccines....  Some more interesting reading below, and I would recommend going to her twitter feed as she is a big liberal, on some of the effects of the vaccines.

https://twitter.com/naomirwolf/status/1381949143304839171

What conspiracy theory here?

Mickey said, "His wife is a nurse (not a conspiracy) but she thinks jannsen pissed off the previous admin and that j&j has been on the outscwith gop for quite some time. (total conspiracy)".  

If I came in first thing this morning and said that "The Biden Administration is putting pressure on the FDA because Alex Gorsky voted for Trump and is a big Trump supporter and that is why they shut down the vaccine", you honestly with a straight face cannot say I would not be getting called every conspiracy thing under the sun.  

If you cannot agree with this, you are what I refer to as "too far gone".  Come back to the middle and realize neither side gives a shit about you!  It's safe here, I promise.

gvn2fly1421 said:

oftenreading said:

bootlegger10 said:

Well with issues from Astrozenica and J&J you can’t be too upset with those arguing the vaccines are rushed.   

No, this is incorrect and misunderstands how the research for these products occurs. 

For the Phase III studies alone, more than 165,000 participants in total were enrolled (combining Pfizer, Moderna, AZ and Janssen). It’s my understanding that only one blood clot issue occurred, and that was with the Janssen vaccine. The study was halted while it was investigated and then restarted. 

The clots of concern we see now did not show up until many more than 10 million people had been vaccinated. There is zero chance that these potential side effects would have been discovered without massive roll out worldwide, which means that no matter how slowly the vaccines were developed, we would not have known about this as a potential issue. 

It’s also worth noting that the “new” vaccines, the mRNA vaccines, do not appear to have this potential side effect. It’s only the vaccines using tried and true technologies that have caused concern. They would not have had any greater oversight had vaccine development taken years, not months. 

Do you have any opinion on the "blood clotting, stillbirths, and bizarre menses in women" that Naomi Wolf reported on yesterday?  I asked because I believe you are a woman yourself.

oftenreading said:

mickeyrat said:

tish said:

Not sure I agree with this last part of your wife's statement, Mic. Can you expand?

she thinks or has read jannsen pissed off the previous admin and that j&j has been on the outscwith gop for quite some time.

similar to AZ. think it was oftenreading posted the percentage of dead vs number of shots then posted other percentages for everyday shit we dont blink an eye at. AZ dead

J&J stock has taken a big hit as a result.

so they said 6 known dead within the first 2 weeks of injection. 6.8 million doses given. whats that, 1 for every 1.15 million?

I dont mean to minimize these tragedies at all. sure their families are heart broken.

greater good argument at play here I think. what we are seeing really with all of them at this point is real time trials on a very wide scale.

6 cases, not 6 deaths; 1 death and 1 person seriously ill at this point. 

I won’t comment on the rest as I have no info on it. 

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

oftenreading said:

bootlegger10 said:

Well with issues from Astrozenica and J&J you can’t be too upset with those arguing the vaccines are rushed.   

No, this is incorrect and misunderstands how the research for these products occurs. 

For the Phase III studies alone, more than 165,000 participants in total were enrolled (combining Pfizer, Moderna, AZ and Janssen). It’s my understanding that only one blood clot issue occurred, and that was with the Janssen vaccine. The study was halted while it was investigated and then restarted. 

The clots of concern we see now did not show up until many more than 10 million people had been vaccinated. There is zero chance that these potential side effects would have been discovered without massive roll out worldwide, which means that no matter how slowly the vaccines were developed, we would not have known about this as a potential issue. 

It’s also worth noting that the “new” vaccines, the mRNA vaccines, do not appear to have this potential side effect. It’s only the vaccines using tried and true technologies that have caused concern. They would not have had any greater oversight had vaccine development taken years, not months. 

Do you have any opinion on the "blood clotting, stillbirths, and bizarre menses in women" that Naomi Wolf reported on yesterday?  I asked because I believe you are a woman yourself.

7 million people will lead to all sorts of random outcomes unrelated to the vaccine.  Women have these issues all the time, caused by BC, smoking, and lots of other problems.  I'm not sure what any of it means yet.  Second, this woman isn't a physician or a scientist of any type.  She's just reporting what she is hearing and it's anecdotal, and very possibly completely random.  

I don't disagree with any of this.  And to circle all the way back around, is it not safe for someone to have vaccine hesitancies?  After the J&J news today, I think it absolutely is yet I have been called "selfish" among other things around here.  

I don't have a problem with a person deciding not to get the vaccine.  I have more of a problem with someone spreading false and deceptive information to influence others not to get the vaccine.  And for you, I had a problem with your herd immunity position.  

bootlegger10 said:

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

bootlegger10 said:

Well with issues from Astrozenica and J&J you can’t be too upset with those arguing the vaccines are rushed.   

No, this is incorrect and misunderstands how the research for these products occurs. 

For the Phase III studies alone, more than 165,000 participants in total were enrolled (combining Pfizer, Moderna, AZ and Janssen). It’s my understanding that only one blood clot issue occurred, and that was with the Janssen vaccine. The study was halted while it was investigated and then restarted. 

The clots of concern we see now did not show up until many more than 10 million people had been vaccinated. There is zero chance that these potential side effects would have been discovered without massive roll out worldwide, which means that no matter how slowly the vaccines were developed, we would not have known about this as a potential issue. 

It’s also worth noting that the “new” vaccines, the mRNA vaccines, do not appear to have this potential side effect. It’s only the vaccines using tried and true technologies that have caused concern. They would not have had any greater oversight had vaccine development taken years, not months. 

Can you please just take your facts and information and move along?  We only traffic in conspiracies. 

So countries that halted Astro and US gov't that halted J&J are following conspiracy theories?  No, they are being responsibly cautious. 

I understand oftenreading's point, but if countries like Germany and the USA are hitting the breaks on a couple vaccines (even for a few weeks), you can't really bash people who don't want to take the vaccines. 

gvn2fly1421 said:

oftenreading said:

bootlegger10 said:

Well with issues from Astrozenica and J&J you can’t be too upset with those arguing the vaccines are rushed.   

No, this is incorrect and misunderstands how the research for these products occurs. 

For the Phase III studies alone, more than 165,000 participants in total were enrolled (combining Pfizer, Moderna, AZ and Janssen). It’s my understanding that only one blood clot issue occurred, and that was with the Janssen vaccine. The study was halted while it was investigated and then restarted. 

The clots of concern we see now did not show up until many more than 10 million people had been vaccinated. There is zero chance that these potential side effects would have been discovered without massive roll out worldwide, which means that no matter how slowly the vaccines were developed, we would not have known about this as a potential issue. 

It’s also worth noting that the “new” vaccines, the mRNA vaccines, do not appear to have this potential side effect. It’s only the vaccines using tried and true technologies that have caused concern. They would not have had any greater oversight had vaccine development taken years, not months. 

Do you have any opinion on the "blood clotting, stillbirths, and bizarre menses in women" that Naomi Wolf reported on yesterday?  I asked because I believe you are a woman yourself.

Bentleyspop said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

oftenreading said:

bootlegger10 said:

Well with issues from Astrozenica and J&J you can’t be too upset with those arguing the vaccines are rushed.   

No, this is incorrect and misunderstands how the research for these products occurs. 

For the Phase III studies alone, more than 165,000 participants in total were enrolled (combining Pfizer, Moderna, AZ and Janssen). It’s my understanding that only one blood clot issue occurred, and that was with the Janssen vaccine. The study was halted while it was investigated and then restarted. 

The clots of concern we see now did not show up until many more than 10 million people had been vaccinated. There is zero chance that these potential side effects would have been discovered without massive roll out worldwide, which means that no matter how slowly the vaccines were developed, we would not have known about this as a potential issue. 

It’s also worth noting that the “new” vaccines, the mRNA vaccines, do not appear to have this potential side effect. It’s only the vaccines using tried and true technologies that have caused concern. They would not have had any greater oversight had vaccine development taken years, not months. 

Do you have any opinion on the "blood clotting, stillbirths, and bizarre menses in women" that Naomi Wolf reported on yesterday?  I asked because I believe you are a woman yourself.

She is a known CONSPIRACY THEORIST so her posts have NO weight.

Do the math...
Also 6 in almost 7 million is a less then 1 in a million. 
While the same age group has a 55 in a million chance of dying from Covid-19.
Do the math

23scidoo said:

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

Bullshit..they don't care for profit, only for our health..
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-bulgaria-pfizer-prices/bulgarian-pm-reveals-price-for-eus-new-vaccine-contract-with-pfizer-idUSKBN2BZ1JP

Are you arguing that the vaccines should be free from the manufacturers, they should be 0 profit, 0 loss, or that they should be able to make a profit.  Make a clear argument here, for once. 

Same price for everyone and we do not increase prices in just 3-4 months..
clear??