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nicknyr15 said:Halifax2TheMax said:And damn all those rioting and looting black protestors.
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Halifax2TheMax said:nicknyr15 said:Halifax2TheMax said:And damn all those rioting and looting black protestors.
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I’m sure most here are against violent protesters me included! I just don’t know how much more these communities will put up with if these cops who killed Floyd walk.jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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josevolution said:I’m sure most here are against violent protesters me included! I just don’t know how much more these communities will put up with if these cops who killed Floyd walk.Nothing is going to stop racism until we’re all one color or we’re all dead.0
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cblock4life said:josevolution said:I’m sure most here are against violent protesters me included! I just don’t know how much more these communities will put up with if these cops who killed Floyd walk.Nothing is going to stop racism until we’re all one color or we’re all dead.You may well be right. Honestly though, I don't like either choice.One could argue that humans should die off for the sake of the planet. Hard to argue that one, but then who wants to die or see loved ones die? No, I'd rather humans learn to live in balanced ecological harmony with the planet rather than kill the planet or die off ourselves.As for all one color, a close relative of mine was at one time strongly in favor of the idea of people inter-marrying until we are all one color. I think her motives for wanting that were good and sincere, but I strongly object to the idea. No Africans? No Asians? No tribal peoples? No Irish? So Chileans? No Inuit? No Spanish? No French? No Bedouins? No Polynesians? Etc...No way do I like that idea. All of the races and nations and peoples have added so much marvelous variety to our world. How can one not see that? How can one not marvel at our individual and differing contributions to the wonderful stew that is humanity?One color, one creed, one culture? That sounds like death to me.
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brianlux said:cblock4life said:josevolution said:I’m sure most here are against violent protesters me included! I just don’t know how much more these communities will put up with if these cops who killed Floyd walk.Nothing is going to stop racism until we’re all one color or we’re all dead.You may well be right. Honestly though, I don't like either choice.One could argue that humans should die off for the sake of the planet. Hard to argue that one, but then who wants to die or see loved ones die? No, I'd rather humans learn to live in balanced ecological harmony with the planet rather than kill the planet or die off ourselves.As for all one color, a close relative of mine was at one time strongly in favor of the idea of people inter-marrying until we are all one color. I think her motives for wanting that were good and sincere, but I strongly object to the idea. No Africans? No Asians? No tribal peoples? No Irish? So Chileans? No Inuit? No Spanish? No French? No Bedouins? No Polynesians? Etc...No way do I like that idea. All of the races and nations and peoples have added so much marvelous variety to our world. How can one not see that? How can one not marvel at our individual and differing contributions to the wonderful stew that is humanity?One color, one creed, one culture? That sounds like death to me.0
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cblock4life said:josevolution said:I’m sure most here are against violent protesters me included! I just don’t know how much more these communities will put up with if these cops who killed Floyd walk.Nothing is going to stop racism until we’re all one color or we’re all dead.Scio me nihil scire
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Witness describes seeing Floyd 'slowly fade away'By STEVE KARNOWSKI and AMY FORLITIYesterday
MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — A man who was among onlookers shouting at a Minneapolis police officer to get off George Floyd last May was to continue testifying Tuesday, a day after he described seeing Floyd struggle for air and his eyes rolling back into his head, saying he saw Floyd “slowly fade away ... like a fish in a bag.”
Donald Williams, a former wrestler who said he was trained in mixed martial arts including chokeholds, testified Monday that he thought Derek Chauvin used a shimmying motion several times to increase the pressure on Floyd. He said he yelled to the officer that he was cutting off Floyd’s blood supply.
Williams recalled that Floyd’s voice grew thicker as his breathing became more labored, and he eventually stopped moving.
“From there on he was lifeless,” Williams said. “He didn't move, he didn't speak, he didn't have no life in him no more on his body movements.”
Williams was among the first prosecution witnesses as trial opened for Chauvin, 45, who is charged with murder and manslaughter in Floyd's death.
Prosecutors led off their case by playing part of the bystander video that captured Floyd's arrest on May 25. Chauvin and three other officers were fired soon after the video touched off outrage and protest, sometimes violent, that spread from Minneapolis around the world.
The trial for former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin began on Monday in George Floyd's death. The Associated Press' Steve Karnowski discusses the first day of the trial. (March 29)Prosecutor Jerry Blackwell showed the jurors the footage at the earliest opportunity, during opening statements, after telling them that the number to remember was 9 minutes, 29 seconds — the amount of time Chauvin had Floyd pinned to the pavement last May.
The white officer “didn’t let up" even after a handcuffed Floyd said 27 times that he couldn’t breathe and went limp, Blackwell said.
“He put his knees upon his neck and his back, grinding and crushing him, until the very breath — no, ladies and gentlemen — until the very life was squeezed out of him,” the prosecutor said.
MORE ON THE TRIAL:Chauvin attorney Eric Nelson countered by arguing: “Derek Chauvin did exactly what he had been trained to do over his 19-year career.”
Floyd was fighting efforts to put him in a squad car as the crowd of onlookers around Chauvin and his fellow officers grew and became increasingly hostile, Nelson said.
The defense attorney also disputed that Chauvin was to blame for Floyd’s death.
Floyd, 46, had none of the telltale signs of asphyxiation and he had fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system, Nelson said. He said Floyd’s drug use, combined with his heart disease, high blood pressure and the adrenaline flowing through his body, caused a heart rhythm disturbance that killed him.
“There is no political or social cause in this courtroom,” Nelson said. “But the evidence is far greater than 9 minutes and 29 seconds.”
Blackwell, however, rejected the argument that Floyd’s drug use or any underlying health conditions were to blame, saying it was the officer's knee that killed him.
Minneapolis police dispatcher Jena Scurry testified that she saw part of Floyd's arrest unfolding via a city surveillance camera and was so disturbed that she called a duty sergeant. Scurry said she grew concerned because the officers hadn’t moved after several minutes.
“You can call me a snitch if you want to,” Scurry said in her call to the sergeant, which was played in court. She said she wouldn't normally call the sergeant about the use of force because it was beyond the scope of her duties, but “my instincts were telling me that something is wrong.”
The video played during opening statements was posted to Facebook by a bystander who witnessed Floyd being arrested after he was accused of trying to pass a counterfeit $20 bill at a convenience store. Jurors watched intently as the video played on multiple screens, with one drawing a sharp breath as Floyd said he couldn’t breathe. Chauvin sat quietly and took notes, looking up at the video periodically.
Full Coverage:“My stomach hurts. My neck hurts. Everything hurts,” Floyd says in the video, and: “I can’t breathe, officer.” Onlookers repeatedly shout at the officer to get off Floyd, saying he is not moving, breathing or resisting. One woman, identifying herself as a city Fire Department employee, shouts at Chauvin to check Floyd’s pulse.
The prosecutor said the case was “not about split-second decision-making” by a police officer but excessive force against someone who was handcuffed and not resisting.
Blackwell said the Fire Department employee wanted to help but was warned off by Chauvin, who pointed Mace at her.
“She wanted to check on his pulse, check on Mr. Floyd’s well-being,” the prosecutor said. “She did her best to intervene. ... She couldn’t help.”
The timeline differs from the initial account submitted last May by prosecutors, who said Chauvin held his knee on Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes, 46 seconds. The time 8:46 soon became a rallying cry in the case. But it was revised during the investigation.
Fourteen jurors or alternates are hearing the case — eight of them white, six of them Black or multiracial, according to the court. Only 12 will deliberate; the judge has not said which two will be alternates.
Before the trial began, Floyd family attorney Ben Crump blasted the idea that the trial would be a tough test for jurors.
"We know that if George Floyd was a white American citizen, and he suffered this painful, tortuous death with a police officer’s knee on his neck, nobody, nobody, would be saying this is a hard case,” he said.
After the day's proceedings, a few hundred protesters gathered outside the courthouse. Speakers called for justice for Floyd and others whose lives were lost in encounters with police. One speaker, Jaylani Hussein, shouted: “Police officers are not above the law!”
The downtown Minneapolis courthouse has been fortified with concrete barriers, fences and barbed and razor wire. City and state leaders are determined to prevent a repeat of the riots that followed Floyd’s death, with National Guard troops already mobilized.
Chauvin’s trial is being livestreamed over the objections of the prosecution. Judge Peter Cahill ordered that cameras be allowed largely because of the pandemic and the required social distancing, which left almost no room for spectators in the courtroom.
Three other former officers go on trial in August because Cahill ruled there wasn't enough space to try all four at once.
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Find AP’s full coverage of the death of George Floyd at: https://apnews.com/hub/death-of-george-floyd
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I live in St. Paul and while I've never had it in me to watch the minutiae of any trial, I'll have to keep my eye on it for the sake of knowing when the acquittal is coming. It's going to be crazier than last year.
To probably say the same thing others have, I understand the need to erupt, but burning stuff down isn't particularly productive and it definitely helps white nationalist America dig in its heels. As a white guy, I guess I have the privilege to think about this but without those riots, Covid is the only headliner of 2020 and Biden wins easily. My point being that those riots and the upcoming riots can tip suburban whites towards the growing white nationalist movement.
For the days after the acquittal, I'll be very careful about doing anything. Even taking the dog out. It will be the latest in a long line of clear messages that cops can do what they want to anyone; particularly blacks. They kill them under just about any circumstances and their apprehension of white mass shooters shows you that they don't have to; they just like to. And they'll never be punished for it. Never. To be honest, I'm not really sure what people are supposed to do. Because none of it is working. And if you're black, you could be killed by a cop for pretty much doing nothing. (cue the "Chicago" comments).1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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OnWis97 said:I live in St. Paul and while I've never had it in me to watch the minutiae of any trial, I'll have to keep my eye on it for the sake of knowing when the acquittal is coming. It's going to be crazier than last year.
To probably say the same thing others have, I understand the need to erupt, but burning stuff down isn't particularly productive and it definitely helps white nationalist America dig in its heels. As a white guy, I guess I have the privilege to think about this but without those riots, Covid is the only headliner of 2020 and Biden wins easily. My point being that those riots and the upcoming riots can tip suburban whites towards the growing white nationalist movement.
For the days after the acquittal, I'll be very careful about doing anything. Even taking the dog out. It will be the latest in a long line of clear messages that cops can do what they want to anyone; particularly blacks. They kill them under just about any circumstances and their apprehension of white mass shooters shows you that they don't have to; they just like to. And they'll never be punished for it. Never. To be honest, I'm not really sure what people are supposed to do. Because none of it is working. And if you're black, you could be killed by a cop for pretty much doing nothing. (cue the "Chicago" comments).
Cops don't kill blacks "under just about any circumstances." And "If you're black, you could be killed by a cop for pretty much doing nothing" sounds a lot like the fear-mongering that has been coming from the left since Floyd's death. And that's not to say there's not some truth to it. Elijah McClain is a perfect example of someone being killed for nothing. But more often than not, the accused is resisting arrest. And I'm not saying that should result in death, but it's also not being killed "for pretty much doing nothing."
The white mass shooters will be punished with life imprisonment. Maybe even a death sentence, which I'd be for.
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Ledbetterman10 said:OnWis97 said:I live in St. Paul and while I've never had it in me to watch the minutiae of any trial, I'll have to keep my eye on it for the sake of knowing when the acquittal is coming. It's going to be crazier than last year.
To probably say the same thing others have, I understand the need to erupt, but burning stuff down isn't particularly productive and it definitely helps white nationalist America dig in its heels. As a white guy, I guess I have the privilege to think about this but without those riots, Covid is the only headliner of 2020 and Biden wins easily. My point being that those riots and the upcoming riots can tip suburban whites towards the growing white nationalist movement.
For the days after the acquittal, I'll be very careful about doing anything. Even taking the dog out. It will be the latest in a long line of clear messages that cops can do what they want to anyone; particularly blacks. They kill them under just about any circumstances and their apprehension of white mass shooters shows you that they don't have to; they just like to. And they'll never be punished for it. Never. To be honest, I'm not really sure what people are supposed to do. Because none of it is working. And if you're black, you could be killed by a cop for pretty much doing nothing. (cue the "Chicago" comments).
Cops don't kill blacks "under just about any circumstances." And "If you're black, you could be killed by a cop for pretty much doing nothing" sounds a lot like the fear-mongering that has been coming from the left since Floyd's death. And that's not to say there's not some truth to it. Elijah McClain is a perfect example of someone being killed for nothing. But more often than not, the accused is resisting arrest. And I'm not saying that should result in death, but it's also not being killed "for pretty much doing nothing."
The white mass shooters will be punished with life imprisonment. Maybe even a death sentence, which I'd be for.I don't give a shit about the weak Dem party; it's just the only side that can beat the GOP, which, yeah, is rooted in white nationalism. Whites are angry (about what, I'm not clear) and seeing blacks riot in the streets opens the door for MAGA (AKA the GOP) to exploit that fear.So looking at what you bolded:- Yeah, I think the white nationalist movement is so embedded in white conservative culture that it's pretty much recruiting when it can.
- "Kill them under just about any circumstance" was poorly worded. It's more "there are few circumstances in which a cop could not find an excuse."
- "They'll never be punished for it." Well, a jury in Minneapolis has the chance to prove me wrong. Hey, a Minneapolis jury did convict once (a cop of color and a white victim, though). That's my cynicism coming through a bit, but it's not like it's not rooted in history.
- I stand by "if you're black you could be killed by a cop for doing pretty much nothing." Hell, even you gave an example. Black kids have to be taught things I was never taught about how to behave in the presence of a cop. I'm not a good butt-kisser and I never say "sir," etc. Statistically are they more likely to be killed in a car wreck than by a cop? Probably. But imagine going through life having to make sure that your hands are in the right place, you use the right "respectful" terminology, and you don't accidentally twitch or the people that are protecting whites might kill you.
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OnWis97 said:Ledbetterman10 said:OnWis97 said:I live in St. Paul and while I've never had it in me to watch the minutiae of any trial, I'll have to keep my eye on it for the sake of knowing when the acquittal is coming. It's going to be crazier than last year.
To probably say the same thing others have, I understand the need to erupt, but burning stuff down isn't particularly productive and it definitely helps white nationalist America dig in its heels. As a white guy, I guess I have the privilege to think about this but without those riots, Covid is the only headliner of 2020 and Biden wins easily. My point being that those riots and the upcoming riots can tip suburban whites towards the growing white nationalist movement.
For the days after the acquittal, I'll be very careful about doing anything. Even taking the dog out. It will be the latest in a long line of clear messages that cops can do what they want to anyone; particularly blacks. They kill them under just about any circumstances and their apprehension of white mass shooters shows you that they don't have to; they just like to. And they'll never be punished for it. Never. To be honest, I'm not really sure what people are supposed to do. Because none of it is working. And if you're black, you could be killed by a cop for pretty much doing nothing. (cue the "Chicago" comments).
Cops don't kill blacks "under just about any circumstances." And "If you're black, you could be killed by a cop for pretty much doing nothing" sounds a lot like the fear-mongering that has been coming from the left since Floyd's death. And that's not to say there's not some truth to it. Elijah McClain is a perfect example of someone being killed for nothing. But more often than not, the accused is resisting arrest. And I'm not saying that should result in death, but it's also not being killed "for pretty much doing nothing."
The white mass shooters will be punished with life imprisonment. Maybe even a death sentence, which I'd be for.I don't give a shit about the weak Dem party; it's just the only side that can beat the GOP, which, yeah, is rooted in white nationalism. Whites are angry (about what, I'm not clear) and seeing blacks riot in the streets opens the door for MAGA (AKA the GOP) to exploit that fear.So looking at what you bolded:- Yeah, I think the white nationalist movement is so embedded in white conservative culture that it's pretty much recruiting when it can.
- "Kill them under just about any circumstance" was poorly worded. It's more "there are few circumstances in which a cop could not find an excuse."
- "They'll never be punished for it." Well, a jury in Minneapolis has the chance to prove me wrong. Hey, a Minneapolis jury did convict once (a cop of color and a white victim, though). That's my cynicism coming through a bit, but it's not like it's not rooted in history.
- I stand by "if you're black you could be killed by a cop for doing pretty much nothing." Hell, even you gave an example. Black kids have to be taught things I was never taught about how to behave in the presence of a cop. I'm not a good butt-kisser and I never say "sir," etc. Statistically are they more likely to be killed in a car wreck than by a cop? Probably. But imagine going through life having to make sure that your hands are in the right place, you use the right "respectful" terminology, and you don't accidentally twitch or the people that are protecting whites might kill you.
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Ledbetterman10 said:OnWis97 said:Ledbetterman10 said:OnWis97 said:I live in St. Paul and while I've never had it in me to watch the minutiae of any trial, I'll have to keep my eye on it for the sake of knowing when the acquittal is coming. It's going to be crazier than last year.
To probably say the same thing others have, I understand the need to erupt, but burning stuff down isn't particularly productive and it definitely helps white nationalist America dig in its heels. As a white guy, I guess I have the privilege to think about this but without those riots, Covid is the only headliner of 2020 and Biden wins easily. My point being that those riots and the upcoming riots can tip suburban whites towards the growing white nationalist movement.
For the days after the acquittal, I'll be very careful about doing anything. Even taking the dog out. It will be the latest in a long line of clear messages that cops can do what they want to anyone; particularly blacks. They kill them under just about any circumstances and their apprehension of white mass shooters shows you that they don't have to; they just like to. And they'll never be punished for it. Never. To be honest, I'm not really sure what people are supposed to do. Because none of it is working. And if you're black, you could be killed by a cop for pretty much doing nothing. (cue the "Chicago" comments).
Cops don't kill blacks "under just about any circumstances." And "If you're black, you could be killed by a cop for pretty much doing nothing" sounds a lot like the fear-mongering that has been coming from the left since Floyd's death. And that's not to say there's not some truth to it. Elijah McClain is a perfect example of someone being killed for nothing. But more often than not, the accused is resisting arrest. And I'm not saying that should result in death, but it's also not being killed "for pretty much doing nothing."
The white mass shooters will be punished with life imprisonment. Maybe even a death sentence, which I'd be for.I don't give a shit about the weak Dem party; it's just the only side that can beat the GOP, which, yeah, is rooted in white nationalism. Whites are angry (about what, I'm not clear) and seeing blacks riot in the streets opens the door for MAGA (AKA the GOP) to exploit that fear.So looking at what you bolded:- Yeah, I think the white nationalist movement is so embedded in white conservative culture that it's pretty much recruiting when it can.
- "Kill them under just about any circumstance" was poorly worded. It's more "there are few circumstances in which a cop could not find an excuse."
- "They'll never be punished for it." Well, a jury in Minneapolis has the chance to prove me wrong. Hey, a Minneapolis jury did convict once (a cop of color and a white victim, though). That's my cynicism coming through a bit, but it's not like it's not rooted in history.
- I stand by "if you're black you could be killed by a cop for doing pretty much nothing." Hell, even you gave an example. Black kids have to be taught things I was never taught about how to behave in the presence of a cop. I'm not a good butt-kisser and I never say "sir," etc. Statistically are they more likely to be killed in a car wreck than by a cop? Probably. But imagine going through life having to make sure that your hands are in the right place, you use the right "respectful" terminology, and you don't accidentally twitch or the people that are protecting whites might kill you.
I don’t disagree that there’s a racial disparity in policing. I don’t even deny there’s white privilege. But I do think that most (not all) that were killed wouldn’t have been if they complied. So I will “keep telling myself” that.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
cblock4life said:brianlux said:cblock4life said:josevolution said:I’m sure most here are against violent protesters me included! I just don’t know how much more these communities will put up with if these cops who killed Floyd walk.Nothing is going to stop racism until we’re all one color or we’re all dead.You may well be right. Honestly though, I don't like either choice.One could argue that humans should die off for the sake of the planet. Hard to argue that one, but then who wants to die or see loved ones die? No, I'd rather humans learn to live in balanced ecological harmony with the planet rather than kill the planet or die off ourselves.As for all one color, a close relative of mine was at one time strongly in favor of the idea of people inter-marrying until we are all one color. I think her motives for wanting that were good and sincere, but I strongly object to the idea. No Africans? No Asians? No tribal peoples? No Irish? So Chileans? No Inuit? No Spanish? No French? No Bedouins? No Polynesians? Etc...No way do I like that idea. All of the races and nations and peoples have added so much marvelous variety to our world. How can one not see that? How can one not marvel at our individual and differing contributions to the wonderful stew that is humanity?One color, one creed, one culture? That sounds like death to me.
Oh man, I get it. It's hard to be optimistic. I'm reading this book about late Medieval history called The Last Knight: The Twilight of the Middle Ages and the Birth of the Modern Era by Norman Cantor (good book, not great) and although most nations are less brutal than 14th Century Europe was, and are not as war-possessed and antagonistic to other groups of people as they were then, I can't help but think that if we've only come this far in 700 years, at this rate it will take several more centuries of progress to reach a point of fairness and civility among nations. Maybe never? It's hard not to think that.
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The firefighter/EMT is not a very good witness. Makes me wonder how much prep the prosecution put into their witnesses.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Ledbetterman10 said:OnWis97 said:I live in St. Paul and while I've never had it in me to watch the minutiae of any trial, I'll have to keep my eye on it for the sake of knowing when the acquittal is coming. It's going to be crazier than last year.
To probably say the same thing others have, I understand the need to erupt, but burning stuff down isn't particularly productive and it definitely helps white nationalist America dig in its heels. As a white guy, I guess I have the privilege to think about this but without those riots, Covid is the only headliner of 2020 and Biden wins easily. My point being that those riots and the upcoming riots can tip suburban whites towards the growing white nationalist movement.
For the days after the acquittal, I'll be very careful about doing anything. Even taking the dog out. It will be the latest in a long line of clear messages that cops can do what they want to anyone; particularly blacks. They kill them under just about any circumstances and their apprehension of white mass shooters shows you that they don't have to; they just like to. And they'll never be punished for it. Never. To be honest, I'm not really sure what people are supposed to do. Because none of it is working. And if you're black, you could be killed by a cop for pretty much doing nothing. (cue the "Chicago" comments).
Cops don't kill blacks "under just about any circumstances." And "If you're black, you could be killed by a cop for pretty much doing nothing" sounds a lot like the fear-mongering that has been coming from the left since Floyd's death. And that's not to say there's not some truth to it. Elijah McClain is a perfect example of someone being killed for nothing. But more often than not, the accused is resisting arrest. And I'm not saying that should result in death, but it's also not being killed "for pretty much doing nothing."
The white mass shooters will be punished with life imprisonment. Maybe even a death sentence, which I'd be for.If the banner of the Republican Party is catering to white nationalists to get votes under the guise of “small government and the deficit” well yeah republicans are part of the white nationalist movement.
pubishment with a death sentence for a mass murder is nothing but a false equivalency and a poor bait and switch.Scio me nihil scire
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static111 said:Ledbetterman10 said:OnWis97 said:I live in St. Paul and while I've never had it in me to watch the minutiae of any trial, I'll have to keep my eye on it for the sake of knowing when the acquittal is coming. It's going to be crazier than last year.
To probably say the same thing others have, I understand the need to erupt, but burning stuff down isn't particularly productive and it definitely helps white nationalist America dig in its heels. As a white guy, I guess I have the privilege to think about this but without those riots, Covid is the only headliner of 2020 and Biden wins easily. My point being that those riots and the upcoming riots can tip suburban whites towards the growing white nationalist movement.
For the days after the acquittal, I'll be very careful about doing anything. Even taking the dog out. It will be the latest in a long line of clear messages that cops can do what they want to anyone; particularly blacks. They kill them under just about any circumstances and their apprehension of white mass shooters shows you that they don't have to; they just like to. And they'll never be punished for it. Never. To be honest, I'm not really sure what people are supposed to do. Because none of it is working. And if you're black, you could be killed by a cop for pretty much doing nothing. (cue the "Chicago" comments).
Cops don't kill blacks "under just about any circumstances." And "If you're black, you could be killed by a cop for pretty much doing nothing" sounds a lot like the fear-mongering that has been coming from the left since Floyd's death. And that's not to say there's not some truth to it. Elijah McClain is a perfect example of someone being killed for nothing. But more often than not, the accused is resisting arrest. And I'm not saying that should result in death, but it's also not being killed "for pretty much doing nothing."
The white mass shooters will be punished with life imprisonment. Maybe even a death sentence, which I'd be for.Easy for me to say though right?2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
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Ledbetterman10 said:static111 said:Ledbetterman10 said:OnWis97 said:I live in St. Paul and while I've never had it in me to watch the minutiae of any trial, I'll have to keep my eye on it for the sake of knowing when the acquittal is coming. It's going to be crazier than last year.
To probably say the same thing others have, I understand the need to erupt, but burning stuff down isn't particularly productive and it definitely helps white nationalist America dig in its heels. As a white guy, I guess I have the privilege to think about this but without those riots, Covid is the only headliner of 2020 and Biden wins easily. My point being that those riots and the upcoming riots can tip suburban whites towards the growing white nationalist movement.
For the days after the acquittal, I'll be very careful about doing anything. Even taking the dog out. It will be the latest in a long line of clear messages that cops can do what they want to anyone; particularly blacks. They kill them under just about any circumstances and their apprehension of white mass shooters shows you that they don't have to; they just like to. And they'll never be punished for it. Never. To be honest, I'm not really sure what people are supposed to do. Because none of it is working. And if you're black, you could be killed by a cop for pretty much doing nothing. (cue the "Chicago" comments).
Cops don't kill blacks "under just about any circumstances." And "If you're black, you could be killed by a cop for pretty much doing nothing" sounds a lot like the fear-mongering that has been coming from the left since Floyd's death. And that's not to say there's not some truth to it. Elijah McClain is a perfect example of someone being killed for nothing. But more often than not, the accused is resisting arrest. And I'm not saying that should result in death, but it's also not being killed "for pretty much doing nothing."
The white mass shooters will be punished with life imprisonment. Maybe even a death sentence, which I'd be for.Easy for me to say though right?Imagine if cops constantly eyed you and treated you that way and you had a lifetime of seeing friends and family abused. I’m sure it would be real easy to just comply.Cops have too much power and too few consequences these days.I swear some people love cops so much their solution would be for cops to kill all races at the same rate per capita, rather than have any meaningful reform.Scio me nihil scire
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static111 said:Ledbetterman10 said:static111 said:Ledbetterman10 said:OnWis97 said:I live in St. Paul and while I've never had it in me to watch the minutiae of any trial, I'll have to keep my eye on it for the sake of knowing when the acquittal is coming. It's going to be crazier than last year.
To probably say the same thing others have, I understand the need to erupt, but burning stuff down isn't particularly productive and it definitely helps white nationalist America dig in its heels. As a white guy, I guess I have the privilege to think about this but without those riots, Covid is the only headliner of 2020 and Biden wins easily. My point being that those riots and the upcoming riots can tip suburban whites towards the growing white nationalist movement.
For the days after the acquittal, I'll be very careful about doing anything. Even taking the dog out. It will be the latest in a long line of clear messages that cops can do what they want to anyone; particularly blacks. They kill them under just about any circumstances and their apprehension of white mass shooters shows you that they don't have to; they just like to. And they'll never be punished for it. Never. To be honest, I'm not really sure what people are supposed to do. Because none of it is working. And if you're black, you could be killed by a cop for pretty much doing nothing. (cue the "Chicago" comments).
Cops don't kill blacks "under just about any circumstances." And "If you're black, you could be killed by a cop for pretty much doing nothing" sounds a lot like the fear-mongering that has been coming from the left since Floyd's death. And that's not to say there's not some truth to it. Elijah McClain is a perfect example of someone being killed for nothing. But more often than not, the accused is resisting arrest. And I'm not saying that should result in death, but it's also not being killed "for pretty much doing nothing."
The white mass shooters will be punished with life imprisonment. Maybe even a death sentence, which I'd be for.Easy for me to say though right?Imagine if cops constantly eyed you and treated you that way and you had a lifetime of seeing friends and family abused. I’m sure it would be real easy to just comply.Cops have too much power and too few consequences these days.I swear some people love cops so much their solution would be for cops to kill all races at the same rate per capita, rather than have any meaningful reform.2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
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Ledbetterman10 said:static111 said:Ledbetterman10 said:static111 said:Ledbetterman10 said:OnWis97 said:I live in St. Paul and while I've never had it in me to watch the minutiae of any trial, I'll have to keep my eye on it for the sake of knowing when the acquittal is coming. It's going to be crazier than last year.
To probably say the same thing others have, I understand the need to erupt, but burning stuff down isn't particularly productive and it definitely helps white nationalist America dig in its heels. As a white guy, I guess I have the privilege to think about this but without those riots, Covid is the only headliner of 2020 and Biden wins easily. My point being that those riots and the upcoming riots can tip suburban whites towards the growing white nationalist movement.
For the days after the acquittal, I'll be very careful about doing anything. Even taking the dog out. It will be the latest in a long line of clear messages that cops can do what they want to anyone; particularly blacks. They kill them under just about any circumstances and their apprehension of white mass shooters shows you that they don't have to; they just like to. And they'll never be punished for it. Never. To be honest, I'm not really sure what people are supposed to do. Because none of it is working. And if you're black, you could be killed by a cop for pretty much doing nothing. (cue the "Chicago" comments).
Cops don't kill blacks "under just about any circumstances." And "If you're black, you could be killed by a cop for pretty much doing nothing" sounds a lot like the fear-mongering that has been coming from the left since Floyd's death. And that's not to say there's not some truth to it. Elijah McClain is a perfect example of someone being killed for nothing. But more often than not, the accused is resisting arrest. And I'm not saying that should result in death, but it's also not being killed "for pretty much doing nothing."
The white mass shooters will be punished with life imprisonment. Maybe even a death sentence, which I'd be for.Easy for me to say though right?Imagine if cops constantly eyed you and treated you that way and you had a lifetime of seeing friends and family abused. I’m sure it would be real easy to just comply.Cops have too much power and too few consequences these days.I swear some people love cops so much their solution would be for cops to kill all races at the same rate per capita, rather than have any meaningful reform.
first “very easy” was In Response to mace saying easy for me to say. Like I was agreeing. It’s easy to say just comply from t he sidelinesPost edited by static111 onScio me nihil scire
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