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oftenreading said:23scidoo said:oftenreading said:23scidoo said:
I only have the patience to debunk one conspiracy theory a day, so for today it's this one, since it's a particularly ridiculous yet dangerous one.
In the "study" this article describes, the authors compared two groups - those over 65 who died at some point in the weeks after getting a covid vaccine, and those over 65 who died of covid. The first number is larger than the second, so they concluded that more over-65s died of the vaccine than of covid.
It should be immediately obvious what is wrong with that conclusion - dying after you get a particular vaccine does not equate to dying because you got that particular vaccine. People die of lots of things, and people over 65 die at a higher rate of lots of things.
The correct comparators would be all-cause mortality in people over 65 who got the vaccine and those who didn't, matched for comparable health status, age, sex, etc.
Given their comment about "long term side effects", the authors are obviously setting this up to later claim that every death after vaccine is a vaccine-related death, no matter how long after.
Have you heard any other cause of death lately??
Here, everybody die from covid..Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015.
Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
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23scidoo said:And to be clear for good, i'm not against the vaccine..
but i just don't believe 100% what the news said..
i know doctors said, they are not sure for the vaccine..
how can i or can you??..my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
23scidoo said:And to be clear for good, i'm not against the vaccine..
but i just don't believe 100% what the news said..
i know doctors said, they are not sure for the vaccine..
how can i or can you??..Personally, I distrust the media too, but I try and put extra scrutiny on vetting sources that make huge claims like the one you posted saying that the vaccines are killing more than the virus. A SIMPLE google search on that sources reputation leads one to see that the claim is most likely false.
Why would you choose to pick that one out of the many proven trustworthy sources stating otherwise?0 -
oftenreading said:23scidoo said:And to be clear for good, i'm not against the vaccine..
but i just don't believe 100% what the news said..
i know doctors said, they are not sure for the vaccine..
how can i or can you??..0 -
oftenreading said:23scidoo said:And to be clear for good, i'm not against the vaccine..
but i just don't believe 100% what the news said..
i know doctors said, they are not sure for the vaccine..
how can i or can you??..
People can believe and comment as they wish..i have see that lot of times here..anyway..Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015.
Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
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23scidoo said:oftenreading said:23scidoo said:And to be clear for good, i'm not against the vaccine..
but i just don't believe 100% what the news said..
i know doctors said, they are not sure for the vaccine..
how can i or can you??..
People can believe and comment as they wish..i have see that lot of times here..anyway..Deliberately spreading misinformation and falsehoods is not a great look.Post edited by oftenreading onmy small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
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23scidoo said:oftenreading said:23scidoo said:oftenreading said:23scidoo said:
I only have the patience to debunk one conspiracy theory a day, so for today it's this one, since it's a particularly ridiculous yet dangerous one.
In the "study" this article describes, the authors compared two groups - those over 65 who died at some point in the weeks after getting a covid vaccine, and those over 65 who died of covid. The first number is larger than the second, so they concluded that more over-65s died of the vaccine than of covid.
It should be immediately obvious what is wrong with that conclusion - dying after you get a particular vaccine does not equate to dying because you got that particular vaccine. People die of lots of things, and people over 65 die at a higher rate of lots of things.
The correct comparators would be all-cause mortality in people over 65 who got the vaccine and those who didn't, matched for comparable health status, age, sex, etc.
Given their comment about "long term side effects", the authors are obviously setting this up to later claim that every death after vaccine is a vaccine-related death, no matter how long after.
Have you heard any other cause of death lately??
Here, everybody die from covid..
Greece is really reporting every death as a Covid-19 death?
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Greece data for 2020 (https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/country-health-profile/greece)... is this accurate?
Coronary Heart Disease27,002Stroke18,167Lung Cancers8,804Lung Disease7,774Influenza and Pneumonia7,577COVID-196,597Kidney Disease3,905Colon-Rectum Cancers3,796Breast Cancer2,884Alzheimers & Dementia2,439Prostate Cancer2,396Hypertension2,268Pancreas Cancer2,222Upper Respiratory2,134Diabetes Mellitus2,069Liver Cancer1,878Stomach Cancer1,873Bladder Cancer1,765Parkinson's Disease1,718Leukemia1,634Lymphomas1,526Encephalitis1,164Road Traffic Accidents1,103Liver Disease1,032Endocrine Disorders728Peptic Ulcer Disease681hippiemom = goodness0 -
5.7% of deaths in 2020 in greece were Covid if that is accurate?hippiemom = goodness0
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Certainly seems more accurate than 100%.I SAW PEARL JAM0
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Nobody talking for nothing else..
Post it the other day, people going to hospitals for other reasons, died, and the name it as a covid death..
It's the reality here..Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015.
Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
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Sorry, i just i remember someone who hasn't die from covid.. my mother's second husband..Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015.
Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
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cincybearcat said:5.7% of deaths in 2020 in greece were Covid if that is accurate?Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015.
Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
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23scidoo said:cincybearcat said:5.7% of deaths in 2020 in greece were Covid if that is accurate?hippiemom = goodness0
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cincybearcat said:23scidoo said:cincybearcat said:5.7% of deaths in 2020 in greece were Covid if that is accurate?
So these lockdowns were your idea, Cincy?
Thanks a lot.
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Merkin Baller said:cincybearcat said:23scidoo said:cincybearcat said:5.7% of deaths in 2020 in greece were Covid if that is accurate?
So these lockdowns were your idea, Cincy?
Thanks a lot.Post edited by dankind onI SAW PEARL JAM0 -
dankind said:Merkin Baller said:cincybearcat said:23scidoo said:cincybearcat said:5.7% of deaths in 2020 in greece were Covid if that is accurate?
So these lockdowns were your idea, Cincy?
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So what I’m hearing is that if we all put cincy on ignore COVID goes away? Do I have that right?
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oftenreading said:So what I’m hearing is that if we all put cincy on ignore COVID goes away? Do I have that right?
Debunk THAT!I SAW PEARL JAM0
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