The coronavirus

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dankind said:

PJPOWER said:

bbiggs said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

PJNB said:

Can someone explain to me why the US would not be able to return back to normal before this time next year? If everyone is vaccinated by summer what is stopping them from opening back up? I get that the variants are in question as is the length of time the vaccine works but are we seriously going to have restrictions in place just in case of a variant or length of the vaccine is not what we think it is? We are doing this to limit the hospitalizations and deaths and help the hospitals not become full to the point the health system would collapse. 

Lets say everyone is vaccinated by August. It should be earlier but lets use that month. How is the government going to justify restrictions for another 6 months if the vaccine does what we hope it does? I see this being a huge issue for the Dems regarding the 2022 elections. People for the most part have been great regarding the rules. That goodwill will be long gone I think if we are still a year away from normalcy. 

because 60% of republicans, which is about 30% of the population, have stated that they will not take any form of covid vaccine. this is only going to delay things opening back up.

you can not reach the level of immunity needed to safely open up when only 65% of people will even be willing to take a vaccine.

do not implicate all americans in the stupidity and ignorance of the minority.

also. i do not know where you are located, but people here refuse to even mask up. around here fewer and fewer people are being good about following the rules.

Is there real data that suggests the only people unwilling to take the vaccine are Republicans?  If so, that is remarkable.  There was a fairly significant anti-vaxxer movement prior to Covid (and still is) and I know that some of the most vocal advocates leading the charge are not Republicans.  This would be an interesting data point to see.

I think what's more important than the percentage of the overall population that is unwilling to get vaccinated, is the percentage of the elderly and most at-risk population that is unwilling to get vaccinated.  I do not have supporting data, but I am guessing that percentage is extremely low.  If my assumption is correct, then not opening up because a relatively small percentage of the population (that is not high risk for serious illness or death) is unwilling to take a vaccine seems like a bad move.  If that group gets sick and infects one another, that is a conscious decision that they made, full well knowing the risks.  It is not putting the rest of the population at risk and/or putting a strain on hospitals.  That has always been the goal, right? 

My take has been, and remains, that when every American has been given the opportunity to be vaccinated, it is time to move forward towards normalcy.  For those that have decided to forego the vaccine, that is on them.

I totally agree with this, especially the last part.  When we get to the point that everyone has had the opportunity to get the vaccine, but some are holding out or outright refuse to get it, then any of their complaints about society moving forward or getting “left behind” should be completely ignored.  At that point, I will have no sympathy for those that refuse the vaccine and get a bad case of the virus.  

Personally I think everyone has a social obligation to get the vaccine once available, less be barred from certain activities that the vaccinated can enjoy, such as concerts or sporting events.
Immigrants should also have to take the vaccine before being able to roam freely in the country.
I have no problem shaming people that refuse to get vaccinated.

Yes. I had this discussion with my wife recently. Her parents are refusing to be vaccinated, so she wants to continue not seeing them and not having them see their grandchildren. I told her that was not very cool. Once a vaccination has been offered to everyone, we can no longer worry about killing grandma and grandpa. If they die, it was by suicide by ignorance.

Agree 100% with this.

Life has to move on and if people aren't willing to get the vaccine, that's on them. 

Spiritual_Chaos

"Suicide by ignorance" is my favorite Bad Religion album

Halifax2TheMax

gvn2fly1421 said:

The Juggler said:

F Me In The Brain said:

The Juggler said:

F Me In The Brain said:

The Dems caused the pandemic to get rid of Trump is the dumbest claim out of all of the dumb Trump suckers' dumb claims.

What about the rest of the world, idiots?

The whole world did this to get rid of one obese 🤡?

Idiotic.

Remember Trump saying you won't hear anything about the virus after November 4th?

Fucking morons

They really are the dumbest people around.

"We are over wearing masks"

"People need to get out"

WTF does that have to do with keeping the number of people infected/hospitalized as low as possible until the vaccines are available to all?

Especially now that we have a date for that, as provided yesterday?  If the vaccine will be made available to any adult in the US who wants it by the end of May...why not wait until the right number of days into June to allow for the vaccine to kick in to open the states back up?

At that point, anti-vaxxers are on their own.  At least the hospitals will be ready to help them if they do get sick.

The whole world conspired to get fatboy out of office by making the pandemic seem worse than it was.

   

Fools!

Because 40% of the people in this country are characters in this movie. They're not even real people anymore.

Here is Halifax and F Me...

When have I ever expressed a lack of compassion for someone who contracts covid or wished death upon children? Talk about loosening up your three masks and getting some oxygen to your brain.

Spiritual_Chaos

gvn2fly1421 said:

The Juggler said:

F Me In The Brain said:

The Juggler said:

F Me In The Brain said:

The Dems caused the pandemic to get rid of Trump is the dumbest claim out of all of the dumb Trump suckers' dumb claims.

What about the rest of the world, idiots?

The whole world did this to get rid of one obese 🤡?

Idiotic.

Remember Trump saying you won't hear anything about the virus after November 4th?

Fucking morons

They really are the dumbest people around.

"We are over wearing masks"

"People need to get out"

WTF does that have to do with keeping the number of people infected/hospitalized as low as possible until the vaccines are available to all?

Especially now that we have a date for that, as provided yesterday?  If the vaccine will be made available to any adult in the US who wants it by the end of May...why not wait until the right number of days into June to allow for the vaccine to kick in to open the states back up?

At that point, anti-vaxxers are on their own.  At least the hospitals will be ready to help them if they do get sick.

The whole world conspired to get fatboy out of office by making the pandemic seem worse than it was.

   

Fools!

Because 40% of the people in this country are characters in this movie. They're not even real people anymore.

Here is Halifax and F Me...

What right wing twitter account did you get that from?

gvn2fly1421

F Me In The Brain said:

I would never wish death upon a child.  
You would never say that to me IRL.  I don't even wish death on the assholes who caused this issue to be so much worse because they refused to work to try and keep the virus down.  That is awful.  
You make your troll jokes  

There you are.  I would never say that to you IRL?  What does that even mean?  If I said that to you, you would beat me up?  Probably wouldn't happen, not because you couldn't, I am quite sure you could, but because you wouldn't get close enough to me being maskless.

And you keep throwing that blame on those "people who refused to work to try to keep the virus down"!  Please, do not put any blame on the Governors and public health types who have advised us this whole time.

mace1229

gimmesometruth27 said:

PJNB said:

Can someone explain to me why the US would not be able to return back to normal before this time next year? If everyone is vaccinated by summer what is stopping them from opening back up? I get that the variants are in question as is the length of time the vaccine works but are we seriously going to have restrictions in place just in case of a variant or length of the vaccine is not what we think it is? We are doing this to limit the hospitalizations and deaths and help the hospitals not become full to the point the health system would collapse. 

Lets say everyone is vaccinated by August. It should be earlier but lets use that month. How is the government going to justify restrictions for another 6 months if the vaccine does what we hope it does? I see this being a huge issue for the Dems regarding the 2022 elections. People for the most part have been great regarding the rules. That goodwill will be long gone I think if we are still a year away from normalcy. 

because 60% of republicans, which is about 30% of the population, have stated that they will not take any form of covid vaccine. this is only going to delay things opening back up.

you can not reach the level of immunity needed to safely open up when only 65% of people will even be willing to take a vaccine.

do not implicate all americans in the stupidity and ignorance of the minority.

also. i do not know where you are located, but people here refuse to even mask up. around here fewer and fewer people are being good about following the rules.

With the vaccines being 95%+ effective, essentially the only ones at risk are those who don't take the vaccine. Still makes sense to open once the vaccine is available if the only concern are those unvaccinated. 

gvn2fly1421

hedonist said:

Yeah, I was wondering about the travel issue. 

Here in good ol’ CA, it’s about 50/50 when it comes to masks, at least in LA. The majority without seem to be younger. Every elderly person I encounter is masked.

It can’t be that difficult to just be safe, exercise consideration, protocols, etc...can it?

My opinion, which many here will tell you is complete shit and that's fine, is that it is not that difficult to do those things.  Many people, myself included, have did those things for weeks and months only to realize those advising me (1) are not doing those things themselves and (b) those things are not doing anything to stop the virus.  We were told life will be back to normal when the vaccines get here, only to be told that if you are vaccinated you still have to mask, distance, the works.  At what point is enough, enough?  People are tired of it.

Here is video of a liberal doctor on Tucker (yes, I know)...  I think she describes it well...  It's two minutes and worth watching til the end...

https://twitter.com/9NEWSNANCY/status/1365909751956185089

gvn2fly1421

PJPOWER said:

I totally agree with this, especially the last part.  When we get to the point that everyone has had the opportunity to get the vaccine, but some are holding out or outright refuse to get it, then any of their complaints about society moving forward or getting “left behind” should be completely ignored.  At that point, I will have no sympathy for those that refuse the vaccine and get a bad case of the virus.  

Personally I think everyone has a social obligation to get the vaccine once available, less be barred from certain activities that the vaccinated can enjoy, such as concerts or sporting events.
Immigrants should also have to take the vaccine before being able to roam freely in the country or gain citizenship.
I have no problem shaming people that refuse to get vaccinated.  “Anti-vaxxers” are a burden on society.

I think we are all agreeing with bbiggs, who made a well thought out post.

I disagree with this statement though.  What does it matter if the vaccinated and non-vaccinated are in the same place together?  The vaccinated should feel safe and those who are not know the dangers that the event they are attending.  We never make people show proof of the flu vaccine before attending events, not sure why we should start now?

mace1229

gvn2fly1421 said:

hedonist said:

Yeah, I was wondering about the travel issue. 

Here in good ol’ CA, it’s about 50/50 when it comes to masks, at least in LA. The majority without seem to be younger. Every elderly person I encounter is masked.

It can’t be that difficult to just be safe, exercise consideration, protocols, etc...can it?

My opinion, which many here will tell you is complete shit and that's fine, is that it is not that difficult to do those things.  Many people, myself included, have did those things for weeks and months only to realize those advising me (1) are not doing those things themselves and (b) those things are not doing anything to stop the virus.  We were told life will be back to normal when the vaccines get here, only to be told that if you are vaccinated you still have to mask, distance, the works.  At what point is enough, enough?  People are tired of it.

Here is video of a liberal doctor on Tucker (yes, I know)...  I think she describes it well...  It's two minutes and worth watching til the end...

https://twitter.com/9NEWSNANCY/status/1365909751956185089

I'm not buying the double or triple masks. But a single mask definitely does work. Its not 100% effective, but it does reduce the risk by a lot.
The vaccines are believed to basically just mask the symptoms. Meaning you can still get it and still transfer it, it is just a mild case if you do. SO being vaccinated when most of the country still isn't has nothing to do with wearing a mask or not at this point. The vaccine just gives you almost a zero chance of death or hospitalization if you do get it, that's all right now. While the vaccines are here, they are not available to everyone yet. That wont happen until May or June at the earliest. 
I do think some of the measures and closures have had little impact and were unnecessary, but keeping a distance and masking has undoubtedly help slow the spread. 

dankind

PJPOWER said:

dankind said:

PJPOWER said:

bbiggs said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

PJNB said:

Can someone explain to me why the US would not be able to return back to normal before this time next year? If everyone is vaccinated by summer what is stopping them from opening back up? I get that the variants are in question as is the length of time the vaccine works but are we seriously going to have restrictions in place just in case of a variant or length of the vaccine is not what we think it is? We are doing this to limit the hospitalizations and deaths and help the hospitals not become full to the point the health system would collapse. 

Lets say everyone is vaccinated by August. It should be earlier but lets use that month. How is the government going to justify restrictions for another 6 months if the vaccine does what we hope it does? I see this being a huge issue for the Dems regarding the 2022 elections. People for the most part have been great regarding the rules. That goodwill will be long gone I think if we are still a year away from normalcy. 

because 60% of republicans, which is about 30% of the population, have stated that they will not take any form of covid vaccine. this is only going to delay things opening back up.

you can not reach the level of immunity needed to safely open up when only 65% of people will even be willing to take a vaccine.

do not implicate all americans in the stupidity and ignorance of the minority.

also. i do not know where you are located, but people here refuse to even mask up. around here fewer and fewer people are being good about following the rules.

Is there real data that suggests the only people unwilling to take the vaccine are Republicans?  If so, that is remarkable.  There was a fairly significant anti-vaxxer movement prior to Covid (and still is) and I know that some of the most vocal advocates leading the charge are not Republicans.  This would be an interesting data point to see.

I think what's more important than the percentage of the overall population that is unwilling to get vaccinated, is the percentage of the elderly and most at-risk population that is unwilling to get vaccinated.  I do not have supporting data, but I am guessing that percentage is extremely low.  If my assumption is correct, then not opening up because a relatively small percentage of the population (that is not high risk for serious illness or death) is unwilling to take a vaccine seems like a bad move.  If that group gets sick and infects one another, that is a conscious decision that they made, full well knowing the risks.  It is not putting the rest of the population at risk and/or putting a strain on hospitals.  That has always been the goal, right? 

My take has been, and remains, that when every American has been given the opportunity to be vaccinated, it is time to move forward towards normalcy.  For those that have decided to forego the vaccine, that is on them.

I totally agree with this, especially the last part.  When we get to the point that everyone has had the opportunity to get the vaccine, but some are holding out or outright refuse to get it, then any of their complaints about society moving forward or getting “left behind” should be completely ignored.  At that point, I will have no sympathy for those that refuse the vaccine and get a bad case of the virus.  

Personally I think everyone has a social obligation to get the vaccine once available, less be barred from certain activities that the vaccinated can enjoy, such as concerts or sporting events.
Immigrants should also have to take the vaccine before being able to roam freely in the country.
I have no problem shaming people that refuse to get vaccinated.

Yes. I had this discussion with my wife recently. Her parents are refusing to be vaccinated, so she wants to continue not seeing them and not having them see their grandchildren. I told her that was not very cool. Once a vaccination has been offered to everyone, we can no longer worry about killing grandma and grandpa. If they die, it was by suicide by ignorance.

Yep, and same could be said about cigarette smokers, but that’s a different subject of contention for me.

Kurt Vonnegut and his characters/proxies often quipped that they were committing suicide by cigarette. 

PJNB

mace1229 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

hedonist said:

Yeah, I was wondering about the travel issue. 

Here in good ol’ CA, it’s about 50/50 when it comes to masks, at least in LA. The majority without seem to be younger. Every elderly person I encounter is masked.

It can’t be that difficult to just be safe, exercise consideration, protocols, etc...can it?

My opinion, which many here will tell you is complete shit and that's fine, is that it is not that difficult to do those things.  Many people, myself included, have did those things for weeks and months only to realize those advising me (1) are not doing those things themselves and (b) those things are not doing anything to stop the virus.  We were told life will be back to normal when the vaccines get here, only to be told that if you are vaccinated you still have to mask, distance, the works.  At what point is enough, enough?  People are tired of it.

Here is video of a liberal doctor on Tucker (yes, I know)...  I think she describes it well...  It's two minutes and worth watching til the end...

https://twitter.com/9NEWSNANCY/status/1365909751956185089

I'm not buying the double or triple masks. But a single mask definitely does work. Its not 100% effective, but it does reduce the risk by a lot.
The vaccines are believed to basically just mask the symptoms. Meaning you can still get it and still transfer it, it is just a mild case if you do. SO being vaccinated when most of the country still isn't has nothing to do with wearing a mask or not at this point. The vaccine just gives you almost a zero chance of death or hospitalization if you do get it, that's all right now. While the vaccines are here, they are not available to everyone yet. That wont happen until May or June at the earliest. 
I do think some of the measures and closures have had little impact and were unnecessary, but keeping a distance and masking has undoubtedly help slow the spread. 

I already explained to him the necessity of masking up and distancing even while vaccinated right now and he just ignored what I said. Thats how these convos go. Proven wrong or informed on the matter and silently move on to the next outrage. 

gvn2fly1421

PJNB said:

I already explained to him the necessity of masking up and distancing even while vaccinated right now and he just ignored what I said. Thats how these convos go. Proven wrong or informed on the matter and silently move on to the next outrage. 

That's where you are wrong.  I understand.  I really do.  I am asking, at what point does it stop?  When everyone available has the chance to get the vaccine?  Biden is saying everyone that wants one will have one by summer, yet stated yesterday that we are a full year away from returning to normal.  Forgive me for living through a year of all of these draconian measures and not being a little bit skeptical.

PJPOWER

gvn2fly1421 said:

PJPOWER said:

I totally agree with this, especially the last part.  When we get to the point that everyone has had the opportunity to get the vaccine, but some are holding out or outright refuse to get it, then any of their complaints about society moving forward or getting “left behind” should be completely ignored.  At that point, I will have no sympathy for those that refuse the vaccine and get a bad case of the virus.  

Personally I think everyone has a social obligation to get the vaccine once available, less be barred from certain activities that the vaccinated can enjoy, such as concerts or sporting events.
Immigrants should also have to take the vaccine before being able to roam freely in the country or gain citizenship.
I have no problem shaming people that refuse to get vaccinated.  “Anti-vaxxers” are a burden on society.

I think we are all agreeing with bbiggs, who made a well thought out post.

I disagree with this statement though.  What does it matter if the vaccinated and non-vaccinated are in the same place together?  The vaccinated should feel safe and those who are not know the dangers that the event they are attending.  We never make people show proof of the flu vaccine before attending events, not sure why we should start now?

I was thinking about how hospitals and stuff would still have beds taken up and so on when I mentioned the societal burden.

gimmesometruth27

gvn2fly1421 said:

PJNB said:

I already explained to him the necessity of masking up and distancing even while vaccinated right now and he just ignored what I said. Thats how these convos go. Proven wrong or informed on the matter and silently move on to the next outrage. 

That's where you are wrong.  I understand.  I really do.  I am asking, at what point does it stop?  When everyone available has the chance to get the vaccine?  Biden is saying everyone that wants one will have one by summer, yet stated yesterday that we are a full year away from returning to normal.  Forgive me for living through a year of all of these draconian measures and not being a little bit skeptical.

if wearing a mask and staying 6 feet away from someone and avoiding large gatherings are draconian to you, i would hate to see you living in the time of draco.

dankind

gimmesometruth27 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

PJNB said:

I already explained to him the necessity of masking up and distancing even while vaccinated right now and he just ignored what I said. Thats how these convos go. Proven wrong or informed on the matter and silently move on to the next outrage. 

That's where you are wrong.  I understand.  I really do.  I am asking, at what point does it stop?  When everyone available has the chance to get the vaccine?  Biden is saying everyone that wants one will have one by summer, yet stated yesterday that we are a full year away from returning to normal.  Forgive me for living through a year of all of these draconian measures and not being a little bit skeptical.

if wearing a mask and staying 6 feet away from someone and avoiding large gatherings are draconian to you, i would hate to see you living in the time of draco.

I await the Time of Hermione.

The Juggler

gvn2fly1421 said:

The Juggler said:

F Me In The Brain said:

The Juggler said:

F Me In The Brain said:

The Dems caused the pandemic to get rid of Trump is the dumbest claim out of all of the dumb Trump suckers' dumb claims.

What about the rest of the world, idiots?

The whole world did this to get rid of one obese 🤡?

Idiotic.

Remember Trump saying you won't hear anything about the virus after November 4th?

Fucking morons

They really are the dumbest people around.

"We are over wearing masks"

"People need to get out"

WTF does that have to do with keeping the number of people infected/hospitalized as low as possible until the vaccines are available to all?

Especially now that we have a date for that, as provided yesterday?  If the vaccine will be made available to any adult in the US who wants it by the end of May...why not wait until the right number of days into June to allow for the vaccine to kick in to open the states back up?

At that point, anti-vaxxers are on their own.  At least the hospitals will be ready to help them if they do get sick.

The whole world conspired to get fatboy out of office by making the pandemic seem worse than it was.

   

Fools!

Because 40% of the people in this country are characters in this movie. They're not even real people anymore.

Here is Halifax and F Me...

Brawndo's got what plants crave. It's got electrolytes.

F Me In The Brain

gvn2fly1421 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

I would never wish death upon a child.  
You would never say that to me IRL.  I don't even wish death on the assholes who caused this issue to be so much worse because they refused to work to try and keep the virus down.  That is awful.  
You make your troll jokes 

There you are.  I would never say that to you IRL?  What does that even mean?  If I said that to you, you would beat me up?  Probably wouldn't happen, not because you couldn't, I am quite sure you could, but because you wouldn't get close enough to me being maskless.

And you keep throwing that blame on those "people who refused to work to try to keep the virus down"!  Please, do not put any blame on the Governors and public health types who have advised us this whole time.

No - it is not due to threat of physical violence, you would not say that to me IRL because I'm not a piece of shit who wishes death on kids and you would know that if you knew me in real life.  You wouldn't even say it and hide behind "it was a joke" because you would know it would not be taken as a joke.

I do certainly blame public officials as well as asshole people who try to do what they want to do vs. what is clearly for the better of society as a whole.

People seem to think that just because Gavin Newsome is a dick who doesn't practice what he preaches or the TX/MS/SC governors are morons who do not care about the health of the residents in their states, nor the states around them, that it is ok to act like a dumbass.
It isn't.

(I know that your opinion is the opposite, and that Fox News and Twitter tells you all sorts of things you like to point to as evidence.)

Anyway -  You joke about death and act in a bizarre fashion.   Nothing about the behavior of myself, nor the other board member you reference, supports that I would hope for the death of children or their foolish parents from COVID-19.  

gvn2fly1421

F Me In The Brain said:

No - it is not due to threat of physical violence, you would not say that to me IRL because I'm not a piece of shit who wishes death on kids and you would know that if you knew me in real life.  You wouldn't even say it and hide behind "it was a joke" because you would know it would not be taken as a joke.

I do certainly blame public officials as well as asshole people who try to do what they want to do vs. what is clearly for the better of society as a whole.

People seem to think that just because Gavin Newsome is a dick who doesn't practice what he preaches or the TX/MS/SC governors are morons who do not care about the health of the residents in their states, nor the states around them, that it is ok to act like a dumbass.
It isn't.

(I know that your opinion is the opposite, and that Fox News and Twitter tells you all sorts of things you like to point to as evidence.)

Anyway -  You joke about death and act in a bizarre fashion.   Nothing about the behavior of myself, nor the other board member you reference, supports that I would hope for the death of children or their foolish parents from COVID-19.  

This will be my last post here.  Honestly, this has taken up way to much of my time lately anyways.

First, to you and Halifax, I apologize and never meant to insinuate you wanted to kill kids, or asshole adults even.  I am sure each of you are great people in real life and if myself and either of you ended up beside me at a show, we would probably have a good time.  Please accept this apology as it is sincere.

It's very obvious we voted for different people last election and that we are "on different sides of the aisle", so to speak.  Ultimately, since I have posted in this thread if you have been following along (and I know you have  ), that has been one of my broader points.  This has always been about the political science, nothing more.  If anything, this virus should have brought every single one of us (Black, white, American, Mexican, Chinese, you name it) together for a common good, and ultimately for a brief period in March, I think it did.  I was like most here, scared and unsure of what this whole thing was about, willing to do whatever necessary (I actually didn't even leave my house for weeks) to get rid of the virus only to realize we were chasing an unattainable goal.

Also, one of the points I hammer away at is the blatant hypocrisy of those advising us.  We often talk in here about data and science and articles and links and so on and so on.  My thing is this, all of these elected officials and public health folks have access to data we would only dream of having access too, yet they have gone against their own guidance, which tells me they know the real truth.  From Pelosi maskless in the hair salon, to Newsom eating in an enclosed space (with reportedly medical officials BTW) after closing indoor dining to everyone else, to the MSNBC cameras shaming folks in Wisconsin who were maskless on Memorial Day weekend only to get told that half their crew was maskless, to so on and so on.

I get that myself and most in here will never see eye to eye on this issue, but trust me when I say I seek out info from all sources.  Andy Slavitt, Dr. Eric Fiegl-Ding and others who are on the opposite side of the aisle as me.  Like everything else in society, a year into this thing everyone knows the risks.  Time to open everything back up and let people assume whatever risks they want to take.  

I leave y'all with some lyrics from a band that's not bad.  God Bless and God speed to all of you!

The north is to south what the clock is to time
There's east and there's west and there's everywhere life
I know I was born and I know that I'll die
The in-between is mine
I am mine

And the feeling, it gets left behind
All the innocence lost at one time
Significant behind the eyes
There's no need to hide
We're safe tonight

PJNB

gvn2fly1421 said:

PJNB said:

I already explained to him the necessity of masking up and distancing even while vaccinated right now and he just ignored what I said. Thats how these convos go. Proven wrong or informed on the matter and silently move on to the next outrage. 

That's where you are wrong.  I understand.  I really do.  I am asking, at what point does it stop?  When everyone available has the chance to get the vaccine?  Biden is saying everyone that wants one will have one by summer, yet stated yesterday that we are a full year away from returning to normal.  Forgive me for living through a year of all of these draconian measures and not being a little bit skeptical.

I am not wrong with anything I said. I told you days ago why the medical experts say it is necessary to still mask up and socially distance after being vaccinated. You ignored the post and went on about something else. 

I do not know when it stops. I hope sooner rather than later if the vaccine rollout goes as fast as I hope it does. 

mace1229

gvn2fly1421 said:

PJNB said:

I already explained to him the necessity of masking up and distancing even while vaccinated right now and he just ignored what I said. Thats how these convos go. Proven wrong or informed on the matter and silently move on to the next outrage. 

That's where you are wrong.  I understand.  I really do.  I am asking, at what point does it stop?  When everyone available has the chance to get the vaccine?  Biden is saying everyone that wants one will have one by summer, yet stated yesterday that we are a full year away from returning to normal.  Forgive me for living through a year of all of these draconian measures and not being a little bit skeptical.

You also said the vaccines are here and yet life is not back to normal. Vaccines don't matter until everyone has a chance to take it. Right now its still only essential workers, elderly and teachers in many places. Vaccines may not help with the spread, so until everyone has a chance to get one we still need to use other methods to prevent the spread.
In the summer when anyone who wants one has one, I doubt we'll see a mass reopen over night like Texas did. It will probably happen in phases over a few weeks or couple months. Like not requiring masks when you can social distance, then increase capacity for indoors, etc. The reason being we may not know how completely effective the vaccine is for all the known (and possibly unknown) variants. So you reopen in stages and see if there are any spikes along the way. And if there is a spike it would be easier to contain. If the vaccines are still effective, I would imagine by the end of the summer, maybe a little sooner, life would be close to normal.