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  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    PJNB said:
    Can someone explain to me why the US would not be able to return back to normal before this time next year? If everyone is vaccinated by summer what is stopping them from opening back up? I get that the variants are in question as is the length of time the vaccine works but are we seriously going to have restrictions in place just in case of a variant or length of the vaccine is not what we think it is? We are doing this to limit the hospitalizations and deaths and help the hospitals not become full to the point the health system would collapse. 

    Lets say everyone is vaccinated by August. It should be earlier but lets use that month. How is the government going to justify restrictions for another 6 months if the vaccine does what we hope it does? I see this being a huge issue for the Dems regarding the 2022 elections. People for the most part have been great regarding the rules. That goodwill will be long gone I think if we are still a year away from normalcy. 
    because 60% of republicans, which is about 30% of the population, have stated that they will not take any form of covid vaccine. this is only going to delay things opening back up.

    you can not reach the level of immunity needed to safely open up when only 65% of people will even be willing to take a vaccine.

    do not implicate all americans in the stupidity and ignorance of the minority.

    also. i do not know where you are located, but people here refuse to even mask up. around here fewer and fewer people are being good about following the rules.
    Ya I get that for sure. It has been obvious for awhile now that they will not get anywheres near herd immunity with the antivaxxers and the fact that 16 and unders can not get the vaccine. I just don't get what will be different in the winter of 2022 I guess when compared to lets say fall of 2021. There will be another flu season and I guess more people will get the vaccine over time since they will see that the earlier population that got it in fact did not grow two heads or die from it. 

    It is a bit frustrating watching this where I am from. I am from a low populated province that has very little cases. My zone which is about 200,000 people has 1 active case and no new cases in days. I still can not allow my 6 year old to go outside sledding with another friend that is in his class. Mask or no mask. We can wink wink at the other parent that we are going but we can not plan for them to play outside together since they are not in the same 10 person bubble. 

    I really hope by the summer as the hospitalizations and deaths take a nose dive on the graphs in the right direction we can move on from this virus and get back to normal by fall. If something pops up that needs modifications or adjustments with the rules we do it on the fly. 

    Also to penalize the population that is doing the right thing and vaccinating all because some choose not to is not the way to go imo. We are all adults here. If the vaccine is available to me I have the choice to take it. I know what can happen if I do or do not. This goes for those that are older and vulnerable as well as the healthy and less at risk. Restricting responsible people to protect those that are not responsible would be like me not being allowed to go out and drive since someone out there might not be wearing a seatbelt and could get hurt if we get in an accident. (not sure if that makes sense out loud but makes sense in my head) 
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,812
    dankind said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    PJNB said:
    Can someone explain to me why the US would not be able to return back to normal before this time next year? If everyone is vaccinated by summer what is stopping them from opening back up? I get that the variants are in question as is the length of time the vaccine works but are we seriously going to have restrictions in place just in case of a variant or length of the vaccine is not what we think it is? We are doing this to limit the hospitalizations and deaths and help the hospitals not become full to the point the health system would collapse. 

    Lets say everyone is vaccinated by August. It should be earlier but lets use that month. How is the government going to justify restrictions for another 6 months if the vaccine does what we hope it does? I see this being a huge issue for the Dems regarding the 2022 elections. People for the most part have been great regarding the rules. That goodwill will be long gone I think if we are still a year away from normalcy. 
    because 60% of republicans, which is about 30% of the population, have stated that they will not take any form of covid vaccine. this is only going to delay things opening back up.

    you can not reach the level of immunity needed to safely open up when only 65% of people will even be willing to take a vaccine.

    do not implicate all americans in the stupidity and ignorance of the minority.

    also. i do not know where you are located, but people here refuse to even mask up. around here fewer and fewer people are being good about following the rules.
    Right? I live in a blue state, and I see more mouths than masks when I step out.

    Also, you have states that have now fully opened as well, which, barring a travel ban on people entering your state from those states and vice versa, fucks the rest of nation.

    There is nothing united about us. We should dissolve into more of an EU structure and let the Covidiot states pull their Rednexits. If someone did a CBA, my guess is that it would be a net positive for the US. 
    My wife & I were remarking recently, at how so many of our friends in suburbs have polar opposite views of the pandemic as compared to our neighbors & friends in Metro Boston. 

    Not that everyone in the city is great about masks either, but we have noticed a staggering difference in viewpoints. 
  • Spunkie
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    PJNB said:
    Can someone explain to me why the US would not be able to return back to normal before this time next year? If everyone is vaccinated by summer what is stopping them from opening back up? I get that the variants are in question as is the length of time the vaccine works but are we seriously going to have restrictions in place just in case of a variant or length of the vaccine is not what we think it is? We are doing this to limit the hospitalizations and deaths and help the hospitals not become full to the point the health system would collapse. 

    Lets say everyone is vaccinated by August. It should be earlier but lets use that month. How is the government going to justify restrictions for another 6 months if the vaccine does what we hope it does? I see this being a huge issue for the Dems regarding the 2022 elections. People for the most part have been great regarding the rules. That goodwill will be long gone I think if we are still a year away from normalcy. 
    Isn't it that although US has vaccine it continues to mutate elsewhere, some that evade said vaccine, and travellors bring it back? 
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  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    tish said:
    PJNB said:
    Can someone explain to me why the US would not be able to return back to normal before this time next year? If everyone is vaccinated by summer what is stopping them from opening back up? I get that the variants are in question as is the length of time the vaccine works but are we seriously going to have restrictions in place just in case of a variant or length of the vaccine is not what we think it is? We are doing this to limit the hospitalizations and deaths and help the hospitals not become full to the point the health system would collapse. 

    Lets say everyone is vaccinated by August. It should be earlier but lets use that month. How is the government going to justify restrictions for another 6 months if the vaccine does what we hope it does? I see this being a huge issue for the Dems regarding the 2022 elections. People for the most part have been great regarding the rules. That goodwill will be long gone I think if we are still a year away from normalcy. 
    Isn't it that although US has vaccine it continues to mutate elsewhere, some that evade said vaccine, and travellors bring it back? 
    That would be unfortunate if the mutations get to a point we can not control them again. That said at what point are we confident that will ever be under control? We can be vigilant with this stuff for the rest of our lives I guess and always be looking over our shoulders but I still say if hospitalizations and deaths are a non factor we get to open back up.
  • gvn2fly1421
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    The Juggler said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    The Juggler said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    The Dems caused the pandemic to get rid of Trump is the dumbest claim out of all of the dumb Trump suckers' dumb claims.

    What about the rest of the world, idiots?

    The whole world did this to get rid of one obese 🤡?

    Idiotic.
    Remember Trump saying you won't hear anything about the virus after November 4th?

    Fucking morons



    They really are the dumbest people around.

    "We are over wearing masks"
    "People need to get out"

    WTF does that have to do with keeping the number of people infected/hospitalized as low as possible until the vaccines are available to all?
    Especially now that we have a date for that, as provided yesterday?  If the vaccine will be made available to any adult in the US who wants it by the end of May...why not wait until the right number of days into June to allow for the vaccine to kick in to open the states back up?
    At that point, anti-vaxxers are on their own.  At least the hospitals will be ready to help them if they do get sick.

    The whole world conspired to get fatboy out of office by making the pandemic seem worse than it was.
    :lol:   

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  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
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    Merkin Baller said:
    dankind said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    PJNB said:
    Can someone explain to me why the US would not be able to return back to normal before this time next year? If everyone is vaccinated by summer what is stopping them from opening back up? I get that the variants are in question as is the length of time the vaccine works but are we seriously going to have restrictions in place just in case of a variant or length of the vaccine is not what we think it is? We are doing this to limit the hospitalizations and deaths and help the hospitals not become full to the point the health system would collapse. 

    Lets say everyone is vaccinated by August. It should be earlier but lets use that month. How is the government going to justify restrictions for another 6 months if the vaccine does what we hope it does? I see this being a huge issue for the Dems regarding the 2022 elections. People for the most part have been great regarding the rules. That goodwill will be long gone I think if we are still a year away from normalcy. 
    because 60% of republicans, which is about 30% of the population, have stated that they will not take any form of covid vaccine. this is only going to delay things opening back up.

    you can not reach the level of immunity needed to safely open up when only 65% of people will even be willing to take a vaccine.

    do not implicate all americans in the stupidity and ignorance of the minority.

    also. i do not know where you are located, but people here refuse to even mask up. around here fewer and fewer people are being good about following the rules.
    Right? I live in a blue state, and I see more mouths than masks when I step out.

    Also, you have states that have now fully opened as well, which, barring a travel ban on people entering your state from those states and vice versa, fucks the rest of nation.

    There is nothing united about us. We should dissolve into more of an EU structure and let the Covidiot states pull their Rednexits. If someone did a CBA, my guess is that it would be a net positive for the US. 
    My wife & I were remarking recently, at how so many of our friends in suburbs have polar opposite views of the pandemic as compared to our neighbors & friends in Metro Boston. 

    Not that everyone in the city is great about masks either, but we have noticed a staggering difference in viewpoints. 
    Yes, anecdotally, I've noticed how residents of certain municipalities seem to approach mask wearing differently. For instance, nearly everyone seems to be wearing a mask when we go to Salem and Lynn, regardless of their activity (conducting business, exercising, walking dog, indoor activities, school, etc.), but the folks in Marblehead appear to be too good for masks (we've stopped trekking there). Swampscott folks, my town, seem to be good about it when they absolutely have to (conducting business, indoor activities, school), but all mouths otherwise, which is dumb, seeing as it's the second-most densely populated town in Massachusetts (behind Brookline).

    My only Boston experience was a three-night hospital stay with my daughter, where, obviously, everyone was masked.
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  • gvn2fly1421
    gvn2fly1421 Posts: 935
    dankind said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    PJNB said:
    Can someone explain to me why the US would not be able to return back to normal before this time next year? If everyone is vaccinated by summer what is stopping them from opening back up? I get that the variants are in question as is the length of time the vaccine works but are we seriously going to have restrictions in place just in case of a variant or length of the vaccine is not what we think it is? We are doing this to limit the hospitalizations and deaths and help the hospitals not become full to the point the health system would collapse. 

    Lets say everyone is vaccinated by August. It should be earlier but lets use that month. How is the government going to justify restrictions for another 6 months if the vaccine does what we hope it does? I see this being a huge issue for the Dems regarding the 2022 elections. People for the most part have been great regarding the rules. That goodwill will be long gone I think if we are still a year away from normalcy. 
    because 60% of republicans, which is about 30% of the population, have stated that they will not take any form of covid vaccine. this is only going to delay things opening back up.

    you can not reach the level of immunity needed to safely open up when only 65% of people will even be willing to take a vaccine.

    do not implicate all americans in the stupidity and ignorance of the minority.

    also. i do not know where you are located, but people here refuse to even mask up. around here fewer and fewer people are being good about following the rules.
    Right? I live in a blue state, and I see more mouths than masks when I step out.

    Also, you have states that have now fully opened as well, which, barring a travel ban on people entering your state from those states and vice versa, fucks the rest of nation.

    There is nothing united about us. We should dissolve into more of an EU structure and let the Covidiot states pull their Rednexits. If someone did a CBA, my guess is that it would be a net positive for the US. 
    Ahh, the blame game...  Saw these tweet (I know y'all love those) this morning but it really rings true...


  • Halifax2TheMax
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    dankind said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    PJNB said:
    Can someone explain to me why the US would not be able to return back to normal before this time next year? If everyone is vaccinated by summer what is stopping them from opening back up? I get that the variants are in question as is the length of time the vaccine works but are we seriously going to have restrictions in place just in case of a variant or length of the vaccine is not what we think it is? We are doing this to limit the hospitalizations and deaths and help the hospitals not become full to the point the health system would collapse. 

    Lets say everyone is vaccinated by August. It should be earlier but lets use that month. How is the government going to justify restrictions for another 6 months if the vaccine does what we hope it does? I see this being a huge issue for the Dems regarding the 2022 elections. People for the most part have been great regarding the rules. That goodwill will be long gone I think if we are still a year away from normalcy. 
    because 60% of republicans, which is about 30% of the population, have stated that they will not take any form of covid vaccine. this is only going to delay things opening back up.

    you can not reach the level of immunity needed to safely open up when only 65% of people will even be willing to take a vaccine.

    do not implicate all americans in the stupidity and ignorance of the minority.

    also. i do not know where you are located, but people here refuse to even mask up. around here fewer and fewer people are being good about following the rules.
    Right? I live in a blue state, and I see more mouths than masks when I step out.

    Also, you have states that have now fully opened as well, which, barring a travel ban on people entering your state from those states and vice versa, fucks the rest of nation.

    There is nothing united about us. We should dissolve into more of an EU structure and let the Covidiot states pull their Rednexits. If someone did a CBA, my guess is that it would be a net positive for the US. 
    Not to mention that the US Conference of Catholic Bishops is encouraging avoidance of the J&J vaccine out of some morality stance. This right around the time that it was announced that catholic priests in Ireland may have abused, some sexually or worse, more than 10,000 kids and that the Vatican knew about the abuse and covered it up. How’s that for “pro-life?”
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  • gvn2fly1421
    gvn2fly1421 Posts: 935
    PJNB said:
    tish said:
    PJNB said:
    Can someone explain to me why the US would not be able to return back to normal before this time next year? If everyone is vaccinated by summer what is stopping them from opening back up? I get that the variants are in question as is the length of time the vaccine works but are we seriously going to have restrictions in place just in case of a variant or length of the vaccine is not what we think it is? We are doing this to limit the hospitalizations and deaths and help the hospitals not become full to the point the health system would collapse. 

    Lets say everyone is vaccinated by August. It should be earlier but lets use that month. How is the government going to justify restrictions for another 6 months if the vaccine does what we hope it does? I see this being a huge issue for the Dems regarding the 2022 elections. People for the most part have been great regarding the rules. That goodwill will be long gone I think if we are still a year away from normalcy. 
    Isn't it that although US has vaccine it continues to mutate elsewhere, some that evade said vaccine, and travellors bring it back? 
    That would be unfortunate if the mutations get to a point we can not control them again. That said at what point are we confident that will ever be under control? We can be vigilant with this stuff for the rest of our lives I guess and always be looking over our shoulders but I still say if hospitalizations and deaths are a non factor we get to open back up.
    Imagine going for a full year masking up, locking down, doing everything the government and public health officials said would help, only to realize the virus is never leaving?  Then blaming the other side, you know them Q Trumper Republicans, you know the ones whose states barely did any of that stuff yet fared better than those "blue" states.

    It's awful too that your kids cannot play with each other, outside of all places.  Please show me any science in that?  I'm directing that to the board, not you as I can tell you are getting to a breaking point.

    One of the problems in this is that dissenting voices have been silenced, opposed to good wholesome debate.  Not on this board by the way, in real life where real decisions are made.  Watch the 10 minute clip above from the JRE.  Why is this happening and why did it happen from the beginning?  
  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,964
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    PJNB said:
    Can someone explain to me why the US would not be able to return back to normal before this time next year? If everyone is vaccinated by summer what is stopping them from opening back up? I get that the variants are in question as is the length of time the vaccine works but are we seriously going to have restrictions in place just in case of a variant or length of the vaccine is not what we think it is? We are doing this to limit the hospitalizations and deaths and help the hospitals not become full to the point the health system would collapse. 

    Lets say everyone is vaccinated by August. It should be earlier but lets use that month. How is the government going to justify restrictions for another 6 months if the vaccine does what we hope it does? I see this being a huge issue for the Dems regarding the 2022 elections. People for the most part have been great regarding the rules. That goodwill will be long gone I think if we are still a year away from normalcy. 
    because 60% of republicans, which is about 30% of the population, have stated that they will not take any form of covid vaccine. this is only going to delay things opening back up.

    you can not reach the level of immunity needed to safely open up when only 65% of people will even be willing to take a vaccine.

    do not implicate all americans in the stupidity and ignorance of the minority.

    also. i do not know where you are located, but people here refuse to even mask up. around here fewer and fewer people are being good about following the rules.
    Is there real data that suggests the only people unwilling to take the vaccine are Republicans?  If so, that is remarkable.  There was a fairly significant anti-vaxxer movement prior to Covid (and still is) and I know that some of the most vocal advocates leading the charge are not Republicans.  This would be an interesting data point to see.

    I think what's more important than the percentage of the overall population that is unwilling to get vaccinated, is the percentage of the elderly and most at-risk population that is unwilling to get vaccinated.  I do not have supporting data, but I am guessing that percentage is extremely low.  If my assumption is correct, then not opening up because a relatively small percentage of the population (that is not high risk for serious illness or death) is unwilling to take a vaccine seems like a bad move.  If that group gets sick and infects one another, that is a conscious decision that they made, full well knowing the risks.  It is not putting the rest of the population at risk and/or putting a strain on hospitals.  That has always been the goal, right? 

    My take has been, and remains, that when every American has been given the opportunity to be vaccinated, it is time to move forward towards normalcy.  For those that have decided to forego the vaccine, that is on them.

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    gvn2fly1421 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    The Juggler said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    The Dems caused the pandemic to get rid of Trump is the dumbest claim out of all of the dumb Trump suckers' dumb claims.

    What about the rest of the world, idiots?

    The whole world did this to get rid of one obese 🤡?

    Idiotic.
    Remember Trump saying you won't hear anything about the virus after November 4th?

    Fucking morons


    Just stop it with your pandemic porn.
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  • gvn2fly1421
    gvn2fly1421 Posts: 935
    bbiggs said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    PJNB said:
    Can someone explain to me why the US would not be able to return back to normal before this time next year? If everyone is vaccinated by summer what is stopping them from opening back up? I get that the variants are in question as is the length of time the vaccine works but are we seriously going to have restrictions in place just in case of a variant or length of the vaccine is not what we think it is? We are doing this to limit the hospitalizations and deaths and help the hospitals not become full to the point the health system would collapse. 

    Lets say everyone is vaccinated by August. It should be earlier but lets use that month. How is the government going to justify restrictions for another 6 months if the vaccine does what we hope it does? I see this being a huge issue for the Dems regarding the 2022 elections. People for the most part have been great regarding the rules. That goodwill will be long gone I think if we are still a year away from normalcy. 
    because 60% of republicans, which is about 30% of the population, have stated that they will not take any form of covid vaccine. this is only going to delay things opening back up.

    you can not reach the level of immunity needed to safely open up when only 65% of people will even be willing to take a vaccine.

    do not implicate all americans in the stupidity and ignorance of the minority.

    also. i do not know where you are located, but people here refuse to even mask up. around here fewer and fewer people are being good about following the rules.
    Is there real data that suggests the only people unwilling to take the vaccine are Republicans?  If so, that is remarkable.  There was a fairly significant anti-vaxxer movement prior to Covid (and still is) and I know that some of the most vocal advocates leading the charge are not Republicans.  This would be an interesting data point to see.

    I think what's more important than the percentage of the overall population that is unwilling to get vaccinated, is the percentage of the elderly and most at-risk population that is unwilling to get vaccinated.  I do not have supporting data, but I am guessing that percentage is extremely low.  If my assumption is correct, then not opening up because a relatively small percentage of the population (that is not high risk for serious illness or death) is unwilling to take a vaccine seems like a bad move.  If that group gets sick and infects one another, that is a conscious decision that they made, full well knowing the risks.  It is not putting the rest of the population at risk and/or putting a strain on hospitals.  That has always been the goal, right? 

    My take has been, and remains, that when every American has been given the opportunity to be vaccinated, it is time to move forward towards normalcy.  For those that have decided to forego the vaccine, that is on them.

    This is a really good take.  The bolded portion, even better.  Well done!
  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    gvn2fly1421 said:
    dankind said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    PJNB said:
    Can someone explain to me why the US would not be able to return back to normal before this time next year? If everyone is vaccinated by summer what is stopping them from opening back up? I get that the variants are in question as is the length of time the vaccine works but are we seriously going to have restrictions in place just in case of a variant or length of the vaccine is not what we think it is? We are doing this to limit the hospitalizations and deaths and help the hospitals not become full to the point the health system would collapse. 

    Lets say everyone is vaccinated by August. It should be earlier but lets use that month. How is the government going to justify restrictions for another 6 months if the vaccine does what we hope it does? I see this being a huge issue for the Dems regarding the 2022 elections. People for the most part have been great regarding the rules. That goodwill will be long gone I think if we are still a year away from normalcy. 
    because 60% of republicans, which is about 30% of the population, have stated that they will not take any form of covid vaccine. this is only going to delay things opening back up.

    you can not reach the level of immunity needed to safely open up when only 65% of people will even be willing to take a vaccine.

    do not implicate all americans in the stupidity and ignorance of the minority.

    also. i do not know where you are located, but people here refuse to even mask up. around here fewer and fewer people are being good about following the rules.
    Right? I live in a blue state, and I see more mouths than masks when I step out.

    Also, you have states that have now fully opened as well, which, barring a travel ban on people entering your state from those states and vice versa, fucks the rest of nation.

    There is nothing united about us. We should dissolve into more of an EU structure and let the Covidiot states pull their Rednexits. If someone did a CBA, my guess is that it would be a net positive for the US. 
    Ahh, the blame game...  Saw these tweet (I know y'all love those) this morning but it really rings true...


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  • gvn2fly1421
    gvn2fly1421 Posts: 935
    dankind said:
    Hey, if Texans stay the fuck in Texas, South Carolinians stay the fuck in South Carolina, and Mississippians stay the fuck in Mississippi, then we're cool.

    I'm all for natural selection. Always have been. 
    Now do Mexico?
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    dankind said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    PJNB said:
    Can someone explain to me why the US would not be able to return back to normal before this time next year? If everyone is vaccinated by summer what is stopping them from opening back up? I get that the variants are in question as is the length of time the vaccine works but are we seriously going to have restrictions in place just in case of a variant or length of the vaccine is not what we think it is? We are doing this to limit the hospitalizations and deaths and help the hospitals not become full to the point the health system would collapse. 

    Lets say everyone is vaccinated by August. It should be earlier but lets use that month. How is the government going to justify restrictions for another 6 months if the vaccine does what we hope it does? I see this being a huge issue for the Dems regarding the 2022 elections. People for the most part have been great regarding the rules. That goodwill will be long gone I think if we are still a year away from normalcy. 
    because 60% of republicans, which is about 30% of the population, have stated that they will not take any form of covid vaccine. this is only going to delay things opening back up.

    you can not reach the level of immunity needed to safely open up when only 65% of people will even be willing to take a vaccine.

    do not implicate all americans in the stupidity and ignorance of the minority.

    also. i do not know where you are located, but people here refuse to even mask up. around here fewer and fewer people are being good about following the rules.
    Right? I live in a blue state, and I see more mouths than masks when I step out.

    Also, you have states that have now fully opened as well, which, barring a travel ban on people entering your state from those states and vice versa, fucks the rest of nation.

    There is nothing united about us. We should dissolve into more of an EU structure and let the Covidiot states pull their Rednexits. If someone did a CBA, my guess is that it would be a net positive for the US. 
    Yeah, I was wondering about the travel issue. 

    Here in good ol’ CA, it’s about 50/50 when it comes to masks, at least in LA. The majority without seem to be younger. Every elderly person I encounter is masked.

    It can’t be that difficult to just be safe, exercise consideration, protocols, etc...can it?
  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    gvn2fly1421 said:
    dankind said:
    Hey, if Texans stay the fuck in Texas, South Carolinians stay the fuck in South Carolina, and Mississippians stay the fuck in Mississippi, then we're cool.

    I'm all for natural selection. Always have been. 
    Now do Mexico?
    Sure, if Mexico acts as Texas, SC, and Mississippi have regarding the virus.

    (I know the president is a bit of a turd, but I think the nation still has a mask mandate.)
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited March 2021
    bbiggs said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    PJNB said:
    Can someone explain to me why the US would not be able to return back to normal before this time next year? If everyone is vaccinated by summer what is stopping them from opening back up? I get that the variants are in question as is the length of time the vaccine works but are we seriously going to have restrictions in place just in case of a variant or length of the vaccine is not what we think it is? We are doing this to limit the hospitalizations and deaths and help the hospitals not become full to the point the health system would collapse. 

    Lets say everyone is vaccinated by August. It should be earlier but lets use that month. How is the government going to justify restrictions for another 6 months if the vaccine does what we hope it does? I see this being a huge issue for the Dems regarding the 2022 elections. People for the most part have been great regarding the rules. That goodwill will be long gone I think if we are still a year away from normalcy. 
    because 60% of republicans, which is about 30% of the population, have stated that they will not take any form of covid vaccine. this is only going to delay things opening back up.

    you can not reach the level of immunity needed to safely open up when only 65% of people will even be willing to take a vaccine.

    do not implicate all americans in the stupidity and ignorance of the minority.

    also. i do not know where you are located, but people here refuse to even mask up. around here fewer and fewer people are being good about following the rules.
    Is there real data that suggests the only people unwilling to take the vaccine are Republicans?  If so, that is remarkable.  There was a fairly significant anti-vaxxer movement prior to Covid (and still is) and I know that some of the most vocal advocates leading the charge are not Republicans.  This would be an interesting data point to see.

    I think what's more important than the percentage of the overall population that is unwilling to get vaccinated, is the percentage of the elderly and most at-risk population that is unwilling to get vaccinated.  I do not have supporting data, but I am guessing that percentage is extremely low.  If my assumption is correct, then not opening up because a relatively small percentage of the population (that is not high risk for serious illness or death) is unwilling to take a vaccine seems like a bad move.  If that group gets sick and infects one another, that is a conscious decision that they made, full well knowing the risks.  It is not putting the rest of the population at risk and/or putting a strain on hospitals.  That has always been the goal, right? 

    My take has been, and remains, that when every American has been given the opportunity to be vaccinated, it is time to move forward towards normalcy.  For those that have decided to forego the vaccine, that is on them.

    I totally agree with this, especially the last part.  When we get to the point that everyone has had the opportunity to get the vaccine, but some are holding out or outright refuse to get it, then any of their complaints about society moving forward or getting “left behind” should be completely ignored.  At that point, I will have no sympathy for those that refuse the vaccine and get a bad case of the virus.  
    Personally I think everyone has a social obligation to get the vaccine once available, less be barred from certain activities that the vaccinated can enjoy, such as concerts or sporting events.
    Immigrants should also have to take the vaccine before being able to roam freely in the country or gain citizenship.
    I have no problem shaming people that refuse to get vaccinated.  “Anti-vaxxers” are a burden on society.
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  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    PJPOWER said:
    bbiggs said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    PJNB said:
    Can someone explain to me why the US would not be able to return back to normal before this time next year? If everyone is vaccinated by summer what is stopping them from opening back up? I get that the variants are in question as is the length of time the vaccine works but are we seriously going to have restrictions in place just in case of a variant or length of the vaccine is not what we think it is? We are doing this to limit the hospitalizations and deaths and help the hospitals not become full to the point the health system would collapse. 

    Lets say everyone is vaccinated by August. It should be earlier but lets use that month. How is the government going to justify restrictions for another 6 months if the vaccine does what we hope it does? I see this being a huge issue for the Dems regarding the 2022 elections. People for the most part have been great regarding the rules. That goodwill will be long gone I think if we are still a year away from normalcy. 
    because 60% of republicans, which is about 30% of the population, have stated that they will not take any form of covid vaccine. this is only going to delay things opening back up.

    you can not reach the level of immunity needed to safely open up when only 65% of people will even be willing to take a vaccine.

    do not implicate all americans in the stupidity and ignorance of the minority.

    also. i do not know where you are located, but people here refuse to even mask up. around here fewer and fewer people are being good about following the rules.
    Is there real data that suggests the only people unwilling to take the vaccine are Republicans?  If so, that is remarkable.  There was a fairly significant anti-vaxxer movement prior to Covid (and still is) and I know that some of the most vocal advocates leading the charge are not Republicans.  This would be an interesting data point to see.

    I think what's more important than the percentage of the overall population that is unwilling to get vaccinated, is the percentage of the elderly and most at-risk population that is unwilling to get vaccinated.  I do not have supporting data, but I am guessing that percentage is extremely low.  If my assumption is correct, then not opening up because a relatively small percentage of the population (that is not high risk for serious illness or death) is unwilling to take a vaccine seems like a bad move.  If that group gets sick and infects one another, that is a conscious decision that they made, full well knowing the risks.  It is not putting the rest of the population at risk and/or putting a strain on hospitals.  That has always been the goal, right? 

    My take has been, and remains, that when every American has been given the opportunity to be vaccinated, it is time to move forward towards normalcy.  For those that have decided to forego the vaccine, that is on them.

    I totally agree with this, especially the last part.  When we get to the point that everyone has had the opportunity to get the vaccine, but some are holding out or outright refuse to get it, then any of their complaints about society moving forward or getting “left behind” should be completely ignored.  At that point, I will have no sympathy for those that refuse the vaccine and get a bad case of the virus.  
    Personally I think everyone has a social obligation to get the vaccine once available, less be barred from certain activities that the vaccinated can enjoy, such as concerts or sporting events.
    Immigrants should also have to take the vaccine before being able to roam freely in the country.
    I have no problem shaming people that refuse to get vaccinated.
    Yes. I had this discussion with my wife recently. Her parents are refusing to be vaccinated, so she wants to continue not seeing them and not having them see their grandchildren. I told her that was not very cool. Once a vaccination has been offered to everyone, we can no longer worry about killing grandma and grandpa. If they die, it was by suicide by ignorance.
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  • F Me In The Brain
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    gvn2fly1421 said:
    The Juggler said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    The Juggler said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    The Dems caused the pandemic to get rid of Trump is the dumbest claim out of all of the dumb Trump suckers' dumb claims.

    What about the rest of the world, idiots?

    The whole world did this to get rid of one obese 🤡?

    Idiotic.
    Remember Trump saying you won't hear anything about the virus after November 4th?

    Fucking morons



    They really are the dumbest people around.

    "We are over wearing masks"
    "People need to get out"

    WTF does that have to do with keeping the number of people infected/hospitalized as low as possible until the vaccines are available to all?
    Especially now that we have a date for that, as provided yesterday?  If the vaccine will be made available to any adult in the US who wants it by the end of May...why not wait until the right number of days into June to allow for the vaccine to kick in to open the states back up?
    At that point, anti-vaxxers are on their own.  At least the hospitals will be ready to help them if they do get sick.

    The whole world conspired to get fatboy out of office by making the pandemic seem worse than it was.
    :lol:   

    Fools!


    Because 40% of the people in this country are characters in this movie. They're not even real people anymore.


    Here is Halifax and F Me...

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    I would never wish death upon a child.  
    You would never say that to me IRL.  I don't even wish death on the assholes who caused this issue to be so much worse because they refused to work to try and keep the virus down.  That is awful.  
    You make your troll jokes and keep being a clown.  
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    dankind said:
    PJPOWER said:
    bbiggs said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    PJNB said:
    Can someone explain to me why the US would not be able to return back to normal before this time next year? If everyone is vaccinated by summer what is stopping them from opening back up? I get that the variants are in question as is the length of time the vaccine works but are we seriously going to have restrictions in place just in case of a variant or length of the vaccine is not what we think it is? We are doing this to limit the hospitalizations and deaths and help the hospitals not become full to the point the health system would collapse. 

    Lets say everyone is vaccinated by August. It should be earlier but lets use that month. How is the government going to justify restrictions for another 6 months if the vaccine does what we hope it does? I see this being a huge issue for the Dems regarding the 2022 elections. People for the most part have been great regarding the rules. That goodwill will be long gone I think if we are still a year away from normalcy. 
    because 60% of republicans, which is about 30% of the population, have stated that they will not take any form of covid vaccine. this is only going to delay things opening back up.

    you can not reach the level of immunity needed to safely open up when only 65% of people will even be willing to take a vaccine.

    do not implicate all americans in the stupidity and ignorance of the minority.

    also. i do not know where you are located, but people here refuse to even mask up. around here fewer and fewer people are being good about following the rules.
    Is there real data that suggests the only people unwilling to take the vaccine are Republicans?  If so, that is remarkable.  There was a fairly significant anti-vaxxer movement prior to Covid (and still is) and I know that some of the most vocal advocates leading the charge are not Republicans.  This would be an interesting data point to see.

    I think what's more important than the percentage of the overall population that is unwilling to get vaccinated, is the percentage of the elderly and most at-risk population that is unwilling to get vaccinated.  I do not have supporting data, but I am guessing that percentage is extremely low.  If my assumption is correct, then not opening up because a relatively small percentage of the population (that is not high risk for serious illness or death) is unwilling to take a vaccine seems like a bad move.  If that group gets sick and infects one another, that is a conscious decision that they made, full well knowing the risks.  It is not putting the rest of the population at risk and/or putting a strain on hospitals.  That has always been the goal, right? 

    My take has been, and remains, that when every American has been given the opportunity to be vaccinated, it is time to move forward towards normalcy.  For those that have decided to forego the vaccine, that is on them.

    I totally agree with this, especially the last part.  When we get to the point that everyone has had the opportunity to get the vaccine, but some are holding out or outright refuse to get it, then any of their complaints about society moving forward or getting “left behind” should be completely ignored.  At that point, I will have no sympathy for those that refuse the vaccine and get a bad case of the virus.  
    Personally I think everyone has a social obligation to get the vaccine once available, less be barred from certain activities that the vaccinated can enjoy, such as concerts or sporting events.
    Immigrants should also have to take the vaccine before being able to roam freely in the country.
    I have no problem shaming people that refuse to get vaccinated.
    Yes. I had this discussion with my wife recently. Her parents are refusing to be vaccinated, so she wants to continue not seeing them and not having them see their grandchildren. I told her that was not very cool. Once a vaccination has been offered to everyone, we can no longer worry about killing grandma and grandpa. If they die, it was by suicide by ignorance.
    Yep, and same could be said about cigarette smokers, but that’s a different subject of contention for me.
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