The coronavirus

23scidoo

oftenreading said:

23scidoo said:

oftenreading said:

23scidoo said:

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/israel-pfizer-vaccine-killed-more-elderly-than-covid/

I only have the patience to debunk one conspiracy theory a day, so for today it's this one, since it's a particularly ridiculous yet dangerous one.

In the "study" this article describes, the authors compared two groups - those over 65 who died at some point in the weeks after getting a covid vaccine, and those over 65 who died of covid. The first number is larger than the second, so they concluded that more over-65s died of the vaccine than of covid. 

It should be immediately obvious what is wrong with that conclusion - dying after you get a particular vaccine does not equate to dying because you got that particular vaccine. People die of lots of things, and people over 65 die at a higher rate of lots of things. 

The correct comparators would be all-cause mortality in people over 65 who got the vaccine and those who didn't, matched for comparable health status, age, sex, etc. 

Given their comment about "long term side effects", the authors are obviously setting this up to later claim that every death after vaccine is a vaccine-related death, no matter how long after. 

''People die of lots of things, and people over 65 die at a higher rate of lots of things''..
Have you heard any other cause of death lately??
Here, everybody die from covid..

Why yes, I have heard of other causes of death. Could be because I work in a hospital, but that’s likely a minor point. 

Not here..

oftenreading

23scidoo said:

And to be clear for good, i'm not against the vaccine..
but i just don't believe 100% what the news said..
i know doctors said, they are not sure for the vaccine..
how can i or can you??..

If you’re not against the vaccine, maybe consider not posting links from shitty, anti-science,  antivaxxer sites 

PJPOWER

23scidoo said:

And to be clear for good, i'm not against the vaccine..
but i just don't believe 100% what the news said..
i know doctors said, they are not sure for the vaccine..
how can i or can you??..

It is perfectly fine to be skeptical of news reports, but that statement gets invalidated when you post a link from a media source that is a known offender of spreading false vaccination information.  

Personally, I distrust the media too, but I try and put extra scrutiny on vetting sources that make huge claims like the one you posted saying that the vaccines are killing more than the virus.  A SIMPLE google search on that sources reputation leads one to see that the claim is most likely false.
Why would you choose to pick that one out of the many proven trustworthy sources stating otherwise?

PJPOWER

oftenreading said:

23scidoo said:

And to be clear for good, i'm not against the vaccine..
but i just don't believe 100% what the news said..
i know doctors said, they are not sure for the vaccine..
how can i or can you??..

If you’re not against the vaccine, maybe consider not posting links from shitty, anti-science,  antivaxxer sites 

Exactly

23scidoo

oftenreading said:

23scidoo said:

And to be clear for good, i'm not against the vaccine..
but i just don't believe 100% what the news said..
i know doctors said, they are not sure for the vaccine..
how can i or can you??..

If you’re not against the vaccine, maybe consider not posting links from shitty, anti-science,  antivaxxer sites 

People can believe and comment as they wish..i have see that lot of times here..anyway..

oftenreading

23scidoo said:

oftenreading said:

23scidoo said:

And to be clear for good, i'm not against the vaccine..
but i just don't believe 100% what the news said..
i know doctors said, they are not sure for the vaccine..
how can i or can you??..

If you’re not against the vaccine, maybe consider not posting links from shitty, anti-science,  antivaxxer sites 

People can believe and comment as they wish..i have see that lot of times here..anyway..

Of course you can comment as you wish, but if you wish those comments to be taken seriously, then consider your sources. 

Deliberately spreading misinformation and falsehoods is not a great look. 

Meltdown99

dankind

23scidoo said:

oftenreading said:

23scidoo said:

oftenreading said:

23scidoo said:

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/israel-pfizer-vaccine-killed-more-elderly-than-covid/

I only have the patience to debunk one conspiracy theory a day, so for today it's this one, since it's a particularly ridiculous yet dangerous one.

In the "study" this article describes, the authors compared two groups - those over 65 who died at some point in the weeks after getting a covid vaccine, and those over 65 who died of covid. The first number is larger than the second, so they concluded that more over-65s died of the vaccine than of covid. 

It should be immediately obvious what is wrong with that conclusion - dying after you get a particular vaccine does not equate to dying because you got that particular vaccine. People die of lots of things, and people over 65 die at a higher rate of lots of things. 

The correct comparators would be all-cause mortality in people over 65 who got the vaccine and those who didn't, matched for comparable health status, age, sex, etc. 

Given their comment about "long term side effects", the authors are obviously setting this up to later claim that every death after vaccine is a vaccine-related death, no matter how long after. 

''People die of lots of things, and people over 65 die at a higher rate of lots of things''..
Have you heard any other cause of death lately??
Here, everybody die from covid..

Why yes, I have heard of other causes of death. Could be because I work in a hospital, but that’s likely a minor point. 

Not here..

I've known/been acquainted with four people who have died during the pandemic, none of whom have died from Covid-19: cancer, cancer, stroke, accident.

Greece is really reporting every death as a Covid-19 death? 

cincybearcat

Greece data for 2020 (https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/country-health-profile/greece)... is this accurate?

Coronary Heart Disease

27,002

Stroke

18,167

Lung Cancers

8,804

Lung Disease

7,774

Influenza and Pneumonia

7,577

COVID-19

6,597

Kidney Disease

3,905

Colon-Rectum Cancers

3,796

Breast Cancer

2,884

Alzheimers & Dementia

2,439

Prostate Cancer

2,396

Hypertension

2,268

Pancreas Cancer

2,222

Upper Respiratory

2,134

Diabetes Mellitus

2,069

Liver Cancer

1,878

Stomach Cancer

1,873

Bladder Cancer

1,765

Parkinson's Disease

1,718

Leukemia

1,634

Lymphomas

1,526

Encephalitis

1,164

Road Traffic Accidents

1,103

Liver Disease

1,032

Endocrine Disorders

728

Peptic Ulcer Disease

681

cincybearcat

5.7% of deaths in 2020 in greece were Covid if that is accurate?

dankind

Certainly seems more accurate than 100%.

23scidoo

Nobody talking for nothing else..
Post it the other day, people going to hospitals for other reasons, died, and the name it as a covid death..
It's the reality here..

23scidoo

Sorry, i just i remember someone who hasn't die from covid.. my mother's second husband..

23scidoo

cincybearcat said:

5.7% of deaths in 2020 in greece were Covid if that is accurate?

And by your logic is that a reason to have the whole country in lockdown for almost a year now, thousand of people without job or sitting at their homes unable to work and live with 534 Euros per month and couple of dozens stupid "laws" for a year now??

cincybearcat

23scidoo said:

cincybearcat said:

5.7% of deaths in 2020 in greece were Covid if that is accurate?

And by your logic is that a reason to have the whole country in lockdown for almost a year now, thousand of people without job or sitting at their homes unable to work and live with 534 Euros per month and couple of dozens stupid "laws" for a year now??

BY my logic?  I was just answering the question about % of covid deaths.  You were wrong and now trying to change the subject.  I never said anything about lockdowns, especially in greece.

Merkin Baller

cincybearcat said:

23scidoo said:

cincybearcat said:

5.7% of deaths in 2020 in greece were Covid if that is accurate?

And by your logic is that a reason to have the whole country in lockdown for almost a year now, thousand of people without job or sitting at their homes unable to work and live with 534 Euros per month and couple of dozens stupid "laws" for a year now??

BY my logic?  I was just answering the question about % of covid deaths.  You were wrong and now trying to change the subject.  I never said anything about lockdowns, especially in greece.

So these lockdowns were your idea, Cincy? 

Thanks a lot. 

dankind

Merkin Baller said:

cincybearcat said:

23scidoo said:

cincybearcat said:

5.7% of deaths in 2020 in greece were Covid if that is accurate?

And by your logic is that a reason to have the whole country in lockdown for almost a year now, thousand of people without job or sitting at their homes unable to work and live with 534 Euros per month and couple of dozens stupid "laws" for a year now??

BY my logic?  I was just answering the question about % of covid deaths.  You were wrong and now trying to change the subject.  I never said anything about lockdowns, especially in greece.

So these lockdowns were your idea, Cincy? 

Thanks a lot. 

Putting you on ignore, cincy, you bastard.

cincybearcat

dankind said:

Merkin Baller said:

cincybearcat said:

23scidoo said:

cincybearcat said:

5.7% of deaths in 2020 in greece were Covid if that is accurate?

And by your logic is that a reason to have the whole country in lockdown for almost a year now, thousand of people without job or sitting at their homes unable to work and live with 534 Euros per month and couple of dozens stupid "laws" for a year now??

BY my logic?  I was just answering the question about % of covid deaths.  You were wrong and now trying to change the subject.  I never said anything about lockdowns, especially in greece.

So these lockdowns were your idea, Cincy? 

Thanks a lot. 

Putting you on ignore, cincy, you bastard.

Can't argue with that decision.

oftenreading

So what I’m hearing is that if we all put cincy on ignore COVID goes away? Do I have that right? 

dankind

oftenreading said:

So what I’m hearing is that if we all put cincy on ignore COVID goes away? Do I have that right? 

Yes. 

Debunk THAT!